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Post by Snow White on Dec 28, 2017 1:28:28 GMT
^^Or he wouldn't have been able to mantain friendships of decades with adults usually older than him. Elizabeth Taylor, Gregory Peck, Marlon Btando to mention just a few examples.
It's true many more adults wanted something from him and ended up betraying him or disappointing him but the accusers showed that there were a few rotten apples and not all children are pure and innocent. Even if their parents told them to accuse him, anyone with strong sense of justice and doing what it's right would't have been willing to ruin an innocent man's life for money.
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Post by jaywonder on Dec 28, 2017 7:55:44 GMT
*sigh*
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Post by kaeleah on Dec 28, 2017 7:56:42 GMT
There she goes again...
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Post by jaywonder on Dec 28, 2017 8:04:45 GMT
I felt the need to screenshot it because you, me, and others are being coy and trying our best in being respectful in not fully naming who inspired this thread, but honestly, it's time to just lay it out.
She was a member here and joined it (and other forums) because she's REALLY eager to talk about his drug use and her belief that he was selfish, immature, mentally unstable, and a child molester.
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Post by Snow White on Dec 28, 2017 9:13:26 GMT
People like her are sick and are disgusting. She should get professional help instead of wasting her time laying out her twisted thoughts that are full of shit online. It's not normal.
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Post by jaywonder on Dec 28, 2017 9:27:26 GMT
Anyone who challenges her, she simply goes to MJFacts to full up her tank of BS
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Post by Thriller on Dec 28, 2017 9:57:33 GMT
'If you are innocent you do not pay' is nonsense. MJ settled civil lawsuits. In 1993 93% of civil suits were settled. The law encourages people to settle civil suits out of court. Settling doesn't make you guilty. End of. Otherwise are we to believe that every single civil suit ever settled was due to the party it was against being guilty? Really?
Had MJ had the law in his favour, and had the fair thing to do, i.e. a criminal trial coming before the civil one there'd of been no settlement.
From the Chandlers' own book:
So, the guilty man, MJ, wants a criminal trial to happen, yet the party claiming he's guilty, is shitting themselves at the prospect of a criminal trial happening before a civil one. Makes sense... /s
She also doesn't grasp that when MJ settled with the Francias there was no criminal trial about to happen, or currently happening. That was a straight civil lawsuit. It's no coincidence that Blanca filed that lawsuit after the DA's office announced no criminal charges would be filed against MJ.
Not settling the Francia lawsuit would of been ludicrous. Especially with a new album on the way. Also, the amount needs to factored in. The amount settled on was around $2 million. The HIStory teaser alone was double that! It would of cost MJ more in lawyer costs and loss of earnings to of not settled that lawsuit.
LOL at 'I feel for Jimmy'. If only Jimmy's Mother had felt for him, eh? After all, Jimmy claims he told his parents in 2005 that something happened when MJ was supposedly trying to get him to testify in the 2005 trial. Jimmy's Mother even spoke to MJ on the phone AFTER Jimmy told her what happened, as MJ supposedly wanted her to testify also. So what did she do? Go absolutely mental at MJ on the phone? No. Decide to testify and help put the man who molested her son behind bars? No. She didn't testify for whatever reason and never said a word to police.
Also, Safechuck said he told MJ to never call him again. Then, when MJ died, he said he was upset because he'd never get to have a normal relationship with him. Just WTF? Why would you want a normal relationship with the man who sexually abused you?
and 'I knew something was going to happen'
Mystic Meg on the case.
'And to claim he copied Wade is just more storytelling'
Except he did copy Wade. He also took from Victor Gutierrez and the Arvizos. Anyone can build a story against MJ when you have the basis for it freely available on the internet.
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In all honesty, she really doesn't have a clue about things.
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Dec 28, 2017 10:02:17 GMT
She makes me angry, I'm glad she was banned here.
Stop drooling over sexy Bad era MJ when you think he's a child molester. Can't believe that I even have to say this 😓
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Post by Snow White on Dec 28, 2017 10:04:08 GMT
I wish there was a way to disown them, they're are garbage and a waste of space in the fan community. It embarrasses me they consider themselves fans.
They are not willing to have a factual discussion. When they're debunked with evidence, they ignore it and go in circles. It's a waste of time debating them, no matter how factual your arguments are, they'd believe Michael was guilty no matter what.
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Post by jaywonder on Dec 28, 2017 10:04:24 GMT
but wait thriller! she added more ! lol
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Post by jaywonder on Dec 28, 2017 10:06:47 GMT
I wish there was a way to disown them, they're are garbage and a waste of space in the fan community. It embarrasses me they consider themselves fans. They are not willing to have a factual discussion. When they're debunked with evidence, they ignore it and go in circles. It's a waste of time debating them, no matter how factual your arguments are, they'd believe Michael was guilty no matter what. What's crazy is a lot of those people who are calling her out, don't always agree with each other but she brought them together, Avengers style, because they all knew she's full of it She's so full of s**t, her eyes are brown.
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Post by Thriller on Dec 28, 2017 10:09:18 GMT
'I have no skin in this game' - Whatever that means. Hangs out on MJFacts, makes a thread about Wade and how MJ is guilty... but has no 'skin in this game'. Okay.
I chuckled at this. Another point that makes no sense whatsoever. So, 'evidence' and 'rumours' on their own are weak, but when all are added together 'it becomes pretty clear something dicey was going on'. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Also, if you put everything together it makes things even more ridiculous. Everything put together equals the most patternless, needless risk taking, and luckiest child molester of all time.
Also, lol at comparing the past of herself to someone she believes committed the most heinous crime of all... abusing children.
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Post by respect77 on Dec 28, 2017 12:42:10 GMT
She does sound like one of those MJFacts haters and I actually suspect she is one of them. I would not call her a fan. She is someone who, at best, might have become fascinated with MJ, but in a weird way - more interested in the imagined "dark side" of him than reality.
Here too she pretty quickly started talking about how she believes MJ was guilty and that seems to be her main topic. That in itself is suspect of it being a hater IMO.
I agree that it is very disturbing that she would compare her dark past whatever it is to what she claims about MJ. It is also telling about what we are always saying, that a lot of these haters are projecting themselves into these stories. Either they have been victims of child abuse and instead of dealing with it in a healthy way and addressing their own abusers they are pouring their anger out on a public person who's been accused of this crime - and they do that in an unhealthy, obsessive way.
And there is a section of these haters who actually are suspicious of being pedophiles themselves - or at least they have a very weird and disturbing fascianation with pedophilia. Those are the people who will use NAMBLA language and phylosophy among other things. Or even make up graphic sexual fantasy stories about MJ and his accusers.
And then there is the section who are just plain old online bullies, narcissists, sadists and trolls - simply getting their kick out of trolling MJ fans. I have seen private e-mails by one of the group's leaders to a member of Vindicate MJ and I can tell you that person is a plain psychopath. And she is not the only one in that group.
And Dani actually reminds me of her in a lot of ways.
That this is not a genuine quest for the truth is evidenced in the fact that they ignore any and every information that goes contrary to their preconcieved idea of who MJ was. They never even address that information. They just ignore it. And they keep going in circles with the rumours and faulty information that they have.
Actually, it is the exact opposite. When you examine these cases as a whole then they fall apart pretty quickly. Her mistake is that she thinks "taking it as a whole" means reading MJ Facts and rumours and taking them at face value. That's not what the whole case is. The whole case is in court documents, depositions - much of it you not find on MJFacts. Wonder why. LOL.
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Post by Huey on Dec 28, 2017 13:59:08 GMT
She makes me angry, I'm glad she was banned here. Stop drooling over sexy Bad era MJ when you think he's a child molester. Can't believe that I even have to say this 😓 Exactly. If I follow the news and am a fan of a celebrity who I strongly believe is a sexual abuser, then, excuse me for this rude expression, I don’t f*** with that celebrity anymore. Even less drooling over them. What nonsense is that ?
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Post by kaeleah on Dec 30, 2017 8:34:55 GMT
She's now made some, um, well, let's say interesting new arguments... "Evan may have been a nutcase( does not mean his child could never have been preyed upon) He also was in a late stage disease process that not only messes with the body (excruciating pain) but also the mind..Before the end of his life he more than likely had tumbled into mental illness as a side effect of his disease. That is why Jordan stopped contact...Apparently Jordan is talking to June and his siblings again these days"
"The fact that Cochran was a brilliant lawyer who I feel knew much more than what has ever been or ever will be revealed..He was hands down one of the best criminal trial attorneys in the country, yet from what he was able to gather from all said evidence he knew MJ could not win..IF MJ could win he would never have settled. Never, as that was a death warrant for his rep."
"The Chandlers weighed what was going to be possible and let Jordan choose his path in the matter directly . I do not care if MJ got on the dope to ease his "pain" That has nothing to do with it in the end if he harmed a kid or not... He damn well knew what settling meant and so did his advisers. There may have been some darker evidence that they had seen or at the very least they knew MJ would be hard pressed to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that he was innocent...."
"As far as the penis pics of MJ not matching well. Why would SBDA try to get an non matching photo into evidence? As far as Spence and his photo why did the SBDA request that in evidence as well if it "never existed'? Who am I going to believe. LMP and MJ and a blurb in AP or Bill Dworken Head Det in 93 (plus the fact again the DA wanted it in evidence)"
"June under oath said "MJ spent 30-40 mins crying, sobbing, shaking and begging her to let Jordan in his bed, when she was opposed to it the first night...He continued with "we are family why do you not trust me nothing is going on" PLEASE June!....What in the world was MJ doing if not BEGGING June and emotionally manipulating(mj specialty) her to let Jordan is his bed? MJ asked Jimmy's mother time and again for her to allow Jimmy in his bed and he got a flat out NO...That is until the Bad tour."
"I never understood why the Avisos had to go to a lawyer first but buried deep in the court docs it was clear..MJ and team had their passports furniture, (in a locked garage) and clothing taken out of their apt...I wonder why MJ had his peeps do that...Do you know why?"
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