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Post by pg13 on Aug 9, 2022 21:57:04 GMT
It being 11 episodes isn't something that makes me think positive things if I'm honest. I stopped caring after it seemed like he wasn't going to deliver what he initially said it was gonna be and went way beyond the scope and I still feel that way. My concern is, nobody who isn't already a huge Michael Jackson fan is going to want to watch 11 episodes. I thought the whole point of this was to tell the other side of the story regarding the allegations? We don't need to hear the Gary Indiana rags to riches Motown story for the gazillionth time.Β Short of there being some kind of miracle and Taj having secured an interview with Jordan Chandler retracting his allegations, I see this making zero impact whatsoever. It should've stuck to 2-3 episodes max, being centred around the allegations. It's basically Taj and some MJ fans making something for other MJ fans when you step back to look at the people involved in it. The original concept was to focus in on the single most damaging thing in Michael's lifetime: the child abuse allegations. And LN as well. Some sent money under this understanding and not any other. For some, this will be money they didn't really have. If Taj is going to fundraise with a specific goal in mind, he should stick to that. Does the world really need a Taj Jackson documentary made in collaboration with MJ fans for MJ fans? No. Even the art concept above is literally by Taj and MJ fans for MJ fans. The average person on the street isn't going to be hooked in by it. Some of them will remember the HIStory statue stunt and be turned off more. The project should be focused, to the point and carry zero fan trappings including in personnel. I must agree this will change nothing, really.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Aug 10, 2022 5:13:03 GMT
in my opinion 11 eps is alot and too many depends on how long those eps are gonna be. i think 5 would have been fine. i'm glad this finally being done and EVEN THE ESTATE HAS APPROVE THIS. i think that something to really be proud of because that hardly happens and it's a family member doing it who really loves Michael and who was close.
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 10, 2022 5:21:04 GMT
I want to support Taj, because he genuinely seems like a good guy with his heart in the right place. But I remember him talking about wanting to do a documentary about his family years before LN happened and it does seem a little as if he's taken the fans money to get his own vanity project off the ground.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Aug 10, 2022 7:03:11 GMT
i'm gonna stay hopeful he is doing this form his heart and not unto making something else afterwards. the trailer looks great in my opinion, i thought it was gonna be cheaply made.
only time will tell.
i will say his house has gotten more plenty since people donated. i'm not saying he use some of that money to buy stuff but it is noticeable.
covid has been hard on everyone but i just hope he haven't done that though.
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Post by SoCav on Aug 10, 2022 15:45:45 GMT
the trailer looks great in my opinion, i thought it was gonna be cheaply made. Are you referring to the short clip he played at 43.40 here? Just asking because I did not watch the livestream. If this is it, I don't understand why he released this. He says himself that it's something he uses to motivate himself to work on the project and that we should not think it's everything he did in all this time, but then why play it at all? If this project is supposed to air next year, shouldn't there be some actual footage in the can that he can use? Perhaps that will still come, but with more and more donators feeling this project is not going anywhere, I don't think sharing what looks like a quick concept for a DVD menu as the first 'trailer' is helping his cause. Visually, it looks like what everyone here rightfully worries this has become, a fan project. There are different ways in which one could achieve the original aims of this project and I think showing who MJ really was through personal video footage could be a useful part of that. But this looks like a love letter to his uncle. He has every right to make that kind of project, but I agree that it feels unsavoury that he is using donations that were collected for a different type of project for this cause. I think only a fraction of the people would have donated if they knew this was going to be the project... I continue to root for him and hope he proves us all wrong, but it's hard to feel any optimism about this.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Aug 11, 2022 2:33:34 GMT
the trailer looks great in my opinion, i thought it was gonna be cheaply made. Are you referring to the short clip he played at 43.40 here? Just asking because I did not watch the livestream. If this is it, I don't understand why he released this. He says himself that it's something he uses to motivate himself to work on the project and that we should not think it's everything he did in all this time, but then why play it at all? If this project is supposed to air next year, shouldn't there be some actual footage in the can that he can use? Perhaps that will still come, but with more and more donators feeling this project is not going anywhere, I don't think sharing what looks like a quick concept for a DVD menu as the first 'trailer' is helping his cause. Visually, it looks like what everyone here rightfully worries this has become, a fan project. There are different ways in which one could achieve the original aims of this project and I think showing who MJ really was through personal video footage could be a useful part of that. But this looks like a love letter to his uncle. He has every right to make that kind of project, but I agree that it feels unsavoury that he is using donations that were collected for a different type of project for this cause. I think only a fraction of the people would have donated if they knew this was going to be the project... I continue to root for him and hope he proves us all wrong, but it's hard to feel any optimism about this. yes that's the trailer. it's still early. who knows what he is going with this. we might get more when it gets close. he said he don't want to show too much because you know media etc. he wants to be careful what he says and post. which is understandable. thousands of people watch his live streams he says he's rarely on social media because it takes a toll on him. so i get him. that's alot if you a superstar to another superstar that family that been lie on for 30 years now.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Aug 11, 2022 4:15:35 GMT
i feel we shouldn't be too harsh too him. he is trying his best. when you think about it, he pretty much doing this all by his self with fans helping him.
money is tight and this isn't the 80's and 90's anymore. things cost more than it did 30 years ago. and with covid didn't make it better.
i mean in my opinion the trailer looks great. i understand fans are worried about how it gonna turn out if they gave money to him to make it.
but if some was gonna complain maybe some people shouldn't donate if some that worried.
Taj said he wanna close the GoFundMe because he feels he has enough money. but the reason he is keeping it up is because once you close it you can't access once it's close.
so he planning to keep it open until he's ready to do so.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Aug 11, 2022 4:40:55 GMT
Taj livestreams be so long. i wish he would cut them down at least 30 mins and get down to what going on. most people are not going to sit for almost two hours to watch a livestream.
no hate. i'm just saying. they be so long i don't wanna watch them. i hope the doc doesn't be like this if so, we've screwed because causal fans and the general public are going to loose interest.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Aug 31, 2022 3:38:06 GMT
taj didn't give out press release on Michael birthday but he did give him a birthday wish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 7:30:23 GMT
I actually hope he keeps quiet between now and the release of Thriller 40. He's had the bones of 2 and a half years now to produce anything worth sharing so I'd prefer him not to hijack the first "major" release of MJs since Scream in 2018 and just let fans celebrate and enjoy Thriller without being distracted by genuine waffle and fluff posts describing how this alleged documentary is going.
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Post by pg13 on Aug 31, 2022 10:58:26 GMT
I actually hope he keeps quiet between now and the release of Thriller 40. He's had the bones of 2 and a half years now to produce anything worth sharing so I'd prefer him not to hijack the first "major" release of MJs since Scream in 2018 and just let fans celebrate and enjoy Thriller without being distracted by genuine waffle and fluff posts describing how this alleged documentary is going. That said, there's considerably more scepticism from fans these days and I think he appears to get less attention now. If Jin can show his work as he goes along, there's no reason why Taj cannot. It makes Taj look like an unfocused slacker, really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 11:22:27 GMT
I actually hope he keeps quiet between now and the release of Thriller 40. He's had the bones of 2 and a half years now to produce anything worth sharing so I'd prefer him not to hijack the first "major" release of MJs since Scream in 2018 and just let fans celebrate and enjoy Thriller without being distracted by genuine waffle and fluff posts describing how this alleged documentary is going. That said, there's considerably more scepticism from fans these days and I think he appears to get less attention now. If Jin can show his work as he goes along, there's no reason why Taj cannot. It makes Taj look like an unfocused slacker, really. Is there? The only place I get updates is here. I think I muted Taj because he was bringing too many nut job fans onto my TL over nothing issues. It's only right though. I know members here have donated significant sums of money to it so I'd be sceptical to say the least.
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Post by pg13 on Aug 31, 2022 11:29:27 GMT
That said, there's considerably more scepticism from fans these days and I think he appears to get less attention now. If Jin can show his work as he goes along, there's no reason why Taj cannot. It makes Taj look like an unfocused slacker, really. Is there? The only place I get updates is here. I think I muted Taj because he was bringing too many nut job fans onto my TL over nothing issues. It's only right though. I know members here have donated significant sums of money to it so I'd be sceptical to say the least. I have a wee look on MJJC and LSA once in a while. You will usually see people saying how ridiculous the wait is, how they doubt it'll achieve anything, time is past and outright doubting his capability. As well as noting the change up on those who donated now its a very different project.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 14:25:38 GMT
Is there? The only place I get updates is here. I think I muted Taj because he was bringing too many nut job fans onto my TL over nothing issues. It's only right though. I know members here have donated significant sums of money to it so I'd be sceptical to say the least. I have a wee look on MJJC and LSA once in a while. You will usually see people saying how ridiculous the wait is, how they doubt it'll achieve anything, time is past and outright doubting his capability. As well as noting the change up on those who donated now its a very different project. MJ would have rather all that money go to Ukraine IMO.
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Post by TonyR on Aug 31, 2022 16:40:24 GMT
"Anyone remember that so called documentary from 3 and half years ago? Well here's my rebuttal"
Hmm...not sure it works.
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