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Post by pg13 on Feb 26, 2019 15:35:05 GMT
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Post by Russg on Feb 26, 2019 15:42:39 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Feb 26, 2019 16:38:59 GMT
Overbaked, condescending, flimsy pile of shite. Breathtaking arrogance in the writer implying that Myte Garcia was a victim even if she says she's not. Also, overdramatic to say Me Too Brigade is after Prince. This is one writer who has seen there's no laws to protect the dead, can use Me Too as a shield and wishes to make a name for himself as well as money. I also try doing my bit to rebalance the absurdity of Me Too in news pages that deal with such social issues. MJ invariably pops up on them and some twat always pulls out the Jimmy Saville card. Logical Fallacies everywhere......nuts.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 26, 2019 17:38:13 GMT
So Dan Reed was today on CBS. Usual fallacious bullcrap from him, but at least this time the questions were a bit more critical. They asked him several times about why this is all so one-sided.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 26, 2019 17:41:31 GMT
Here's a clip if you can stand seeing Reed talk about it...
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Post by ghost on Feb 26, 2019 17:55:14 GMT
So Dan Reed was today on CBS. Usual fallacious bullcrap from him, but at least this time the questions were a bit more critical. They asked him several times about why this is all so one-sided Why aren't they calling him out on his blatant lies? No financial incentive past, present or future? What about the million dollar lawsuit? Forgot all about that, did ya Dannyboy? It's irrelevant that they aren't getting paid for the documentary... that's not where the money is. Dan Reed has consistently omitted facts about Wade and James to cover the cracks in their story, and not ONE journalist has called him out on it. So damn frustrating. And his line about how this documentary isn't about Michael Jackson is absurd. I guess the recent R Kelly docuseries wasn't about R Kelly either? Funny, cuz I could've sworn he was arrested the other day.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 26, 2019 18:06:21 GMT
Robson set that charity up. It will come out in arbitration who was paid. And you bet that charity was. Robson tried to get a book deal and filed a million$ lawsuit underseal to try and get a quick pay off. Yeah its not about the money is it ....
Dont know if true but ppl saying on mjjc that bbc 2 uk are doing a doc including gutirrez. If true its prob jack perriti whos done hatchet docs before on mj.does stuff for bbc2
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Post by respect77 on Feb 26, 2019 19:42:12 GMT
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 26, 2019 19:55:12 GMT
Well, this is hardly surprising, seeing as she was given an advanced screening and chose to celebrate her birthday watching LN on a yacht.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 26, 2019 20:01:27 GMT
Been out all day. Bit of escapisism. Stayed off my phone. Come back and catch up on the days info and you just feel deflated all over again. One thing then another. i wish it would just bleeding air. Dont know about you guys but it feels like this build up has been going on for months. So fecking draining.
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Post by ghost on Feb 26, 2019 20:07:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 20:08:57 GMT
Been out all day. Bit of escapisism. Stayed off my phone. Come back and catch up on the days info and you just feel deflated all over again. One thing then another. i wish it would just bleeding air. Dont know about you guys but it feels like this build up has been going on for months. So fecking draining. It really is. The Oprah thing is a kick in the balls. What a horrible bitch she is. Whatever about turning her back on MJ- shes entitled to. But to act so two faced to his chidren.
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 26, 2019 20:12:59 GMT
This is just sickening to live through. I feel sick! Why is this allowed to happen? Why the fuck isn’t Oprah doing a healing episode on Harvey Weinstein? Why isn’t the other side of this argument being given a fair hearing?
I feel sick guys. Honestly. I just feel sick that there’s this relentless agenda to ram this lie down people’s throats until the world believes it. Will there ever be justice?
Felt fine out at work all day. Now I feel like this again. It’s just never ending. I see Neverland going for a 70% discount aswell. All these little things constantly poking and prodding our moral is so disheartening.
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Post by Thriller on Feb 26, 2019 20:36:10 GMT
Here's a clip if you can stand seeing Reed talk about it... He really comes out with absolute nonsense. This whole 'they were in love with MJ' angle is ridiculous. Neither man is gay. James claims in his declaration that he lived in constant fear of what would happen should the truth come out. He says MJ intimidated him into keeping quiet for years. So, why on earth would you hold any love for a man that destroyed your life? Even if we go along with James enjoying the abuse, with how he made MJ out to be and how James felt, it makes no sense to continue to love him. With Wade, well, that love for MJ makes no sense given MJ set him up with his niece. When quizzed on why he didn't ask the Jackson family for their views, 'what do the family know, do you think they know about the sexual abuse?' Well then, given only three parties were privvy to what supposedly happened then their lawyers should end the case and Reed shouldn't label Jackson a child molester nor make a documentary going by that logic.
He says that a lot of time is given to denials from MJ, the family, the Estate and lawyers. Given he spoke to nobody in favour of Jackson, these will just be old clips and quotes. This hardly competes with hours of people slandering MJ in the documentary. Reed knows what he wanted to do with this crap. No way can anybody think MJ's denial in 1993 regarding the Chandler allegations, or any other denial, competes with allegations made after MJ had died and hours of their story going unchallenged.
'I don't think the family has any direct knowledge of what happened to Wade and James.' Well nor do their families. They never saw the abuse. I guess Reed believes direct knowledge is, in hindsight, their Mothers blaming MJ for things.
Reed says he did a 'deep dive' into the prior cases. Read witness statements and spoke to investigators and found that contradicted or cast doubt on the pair. Even more BS. Investigators were biased against MJ from the get go and with the claims by others so easily found on the internet James and Wade can build their stories around them. However, even despite that, Wade doesn't claim any grooming whatsoever whereas Jordan and Gavin did for example.
I'm sure Reed has made out MJ has gone under the radar before and here he says he got away with the image of a child for years. So, what about from 1993-2009 when he clearly didn't get away with this supposed image.
I actually laughed a little at 'throughout the two years of the documentary I looked for anything that could cast doubt or undermine Wade and James's story and found nothing' and 'they were consistent'. I'm really sure that say, three months before finishing the documentary, with all that had gone into it, Reed was still looking for something that could undermine them. However, we already know Reed either didn't do proper research or was abysmal at doing so.
Wade claims he had breakdowns due to 'realising he was abused'. He contradicted both of these things on his blog.
James claims he 'didn't realise he was abused' either until seeking therapy. Yet also contradicts this by saying in his court documents that he told his Mother in 2005 that he'd been abused, feared paedophilic urges towards in his in 2010 and hearing Wade file a lawsuit and appear on TV made him think he 'may need help'.
Without even going deep into the claims the pair's premise for their stories is contradicted. With James it's even in the same document(s)!
Reed, from what I can see, has yet to ever be properly challenged. Nobody has pointed out the lies in the court documents to him.
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Post by TonyR on Feb 26, 2019 20:46:03 GMT
I'm not religious, but countless times I day I check BBC News PRAYING to see a retraction story from Chandler or Arvizo.
PRAYING.
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