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Post by amaya on Jun 16, 2019 18:01:20 GMT
I can't believe that Variety article actually features LN as "one of the best films of 2019 so far". What the actual fuck. This explains everything: The connections are all there, clear as day, but they are all conveniently ignored and those who call them out are ignored or silenced. What a sad time this is.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 16, 2019 18:09:29 GMT
What I noticed that much of the entertainment media is one big circle jerk. Eye opening, really.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 16, 2019 18:11:51 GMT
I actually am legitimately surprised by that - Surviving R. Kelly didn't make the list, but this did. Even if you believe LN hook line and sinker, the R. Kelly doc had a far, far larger impact. Because despite of what they claim it IS about MJ - ie. riding his celebrity and his fame. For the accusers, Reed and the media alike.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 17, 2019 3:27:10 GMT
Can this guy be any more fake and transparent? He didn't have a public online presence before LN but all of a sudden he sets up an Insta, just to post pics of his kid for sympathy while posing as a "victim". What the hell does father's day have to do with CSA? And specifically his alleged abuse? He doesn't claim to have been abused by his father so why it would be "complicated" for him?
This guy has not one original bone in his body, he is such a copy-cat. He just does whatever Wade does. In the past Wade did blog posts about how his relationship with his father was affected by his relationship with MJ - you know the whole BS story about his family leaving his father because of MJ, but James's story doesn't have any such element, so why the hell would Father's Day be about CSA to him?
It's just another excuse to pose as a "victim".
And this "Not Your Fault" crap is his little rehearsed line, just like Wade has his. He said this in the past as well, like a little parrot. He said it at Sundance Q&A as well. Probably what he took away from reading those CSA books.
And BTW, Sam Smith follows Wade on Instagram. Thankfully I never had anything by his elevator music making ass on my playlists.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 17, 2019 4:51:59 GMT
Cult leader: "Children can enjoy sex with adults."
Public/media: "OMG! Hang the pervert!"
Barbra Straisand: "Based on LN it looks like they enjoyed it."
Public/media: "OMG! Apologize, crazy bitch!"
NAMBLA propaganda: "Boys want sex with adult men."
Public/media: "OMG! Burn those perverts!"
Robson: "I anticipated sex with MJ when I was 7."
Safechuck: "You can hear the attraction in my voice. You are doing it a lot when you're first dating someone. I was hurt when I didn't find him in my bed. It was fun when he made the sex tape."
Public/media: "OMG! These men are heroes!"
Oprah: "This is what I have been trying to say all along."
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Post by Snow White on Jun 17, 2019 5:11:21 GMT
The media have double standards for Michael because they have wanted him to be guilty so bad ever since he was firstly accused that they'll find any excuse to burn him at the stake all over again. They've failed multiple times trying to destroy him, the LN shit is their last chance in doing so.
As for that shameless fame whore Safechuck, can't he just die already? I fear neither Robson and Safechuck won't be held accountable for their disgusting lies, I've rarely seen false accusers being punished in prison, their actions are criminal as well as them.
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Post by ShadowDeeps on Jun 17, 2019 10:11:52 GMT
Yep, I don’t think James is ever going to crack or fess up to his lies at this point and neither is Wade or Damn Greed (or anyone else who ever falsely accused MJ). The “victims” enjoy flaunting their “victimhood” far too much and Greed staked far too much on preserving the reputation and credibility (or lack thereof) of his film. MJ has been deceased for a decade now and his public image is in shambles more or less, so the mass media can have their cake and eat it as they so desired for fourteen years at least. Wade and James are using MJ’s name, albeit in a disparaging manner, to garner the attention and monetary support he never gave them enough of whilst alive. The irony. But it isn’t about Michael Jackson. Whenever confronted with harrowing questions, look the other way and recite a rehearsed platitude so the ones posing the questions will forget why they asked the questions and the fact that they ever asked the questions anyway. When you stick to that motto, you’ll never be held accountable for your actions and you can be a hero, a grifter, and a victim at the same time, and you can receive all the adoration and adulation you ever dreamed of. Real victims of abuse need all that attention. Father’s Day was “complicated” for James because he claims (if I remember correctly, as Wade did) becoming a father led him to the realization that MJ “abused” him (although the real reason they claim they did not realize it until well into their adulthood was to bypass the statute of limitations).
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Post by respect77 on Jun 17, 2019 12:24:51 GMT
Father’s Day was “complicated” for James because he claims (if I remember correctly, as Wade did) becoming a father led him to the realization that MJ “abused” him (although the real reason they claim they did not realize it until well into their adulthood was to bypass the statute of limitations). It doesn't make sense to me why that would make specifically Father's Day complicated for him. If it's that association then fatherhood in itself would be complicated to him, every day, all day, not Father's Day. Not that the whole story makes sense anyway. Especially because it's about the third version of when James supposedly realized he was "abused" (remember he already realized once in 2005, and he also realized in 2013). Also notice, he doesn't say "it's a complicated day for me", he says "Father's Day is a complicated day for CSA survivors". It's a performance to get support from real survivors. Generally why would Father's Day be complicated for CSA survivors, unless for those who have been abused by their fathers? You can't see it in the above pic, but he tagged CSA groups, the metoo movement etc. It's a performance.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jun 17, 2019 14:58:03 GMT
He couldnt be more obvious if he tried. Really i have to laugh at this point😅 of couse they will never fess up. They would be a laughing stock. Now they can have some attention that they crave and make a few bucks along the way.
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Post by MattyJam on Jun 17, 2019 17:28:14 GMT
Can this guy be any more fake and transparent? He didn't have a public online presence before LN but all of a sudden he sets up an Insta, just to post pics of his kid for sympathy while posing as a "victim". What the hell does father's day have to do with CSA? And specifically his alleged abuse? He doesn't claim to have been abused by his father so why it would be "complicated" for him? This guy has not one original bone in his body, he is such a copy-cat. He just does whatever Wade does. In the past Wade did blog posts about how his relationship with his father was affected by his relationship with MJ - you know the whole BS story about his family leaving his father because of MJ, but James's story doesn't have any such element, so why the hell would Father's Day be about CSA to him?
It's just another excuse to pose as a "victim". And this "Not Your Fault" crap is his little rehearsed line, just like Wade has his. He said this in the past as well, like a little parrot. He said it at Sundance Q&A as well. Probably what he took away from reading those CSA books.
And BTW, Sam Smith follows Wade on Instagram. Thankfully I never had anything by his elevator music making ass on my playlists. Oh, he's such a deplorable human being. The way they behave online reeks of "doth I protest too much." It's like they have to drop it in every post, as a way of saying "in case you've forgotten, I'm still a CSA survivor." It makes them look desperate to be believed, which they wouldn't be if they were telling the truth. I have mentioned before on here that I have had my own experiences as a child being sexually abused. I couldn't care less who believes me, nor do I feel like I need to keep reminding people about it for the sympathy, using completely unrelated things like fathers day to reinforce my victimhood. Don't feel sorry for me, I'm fine. I'm not a hero, nor do I particularly see myself as a victim. It was what it was. Outside of a courtroom, the only people desperate to be believed by strangers are the ones doing it to be elevated by the creepy status/perks that now comes with being a victim of a sex crime. Of course, what makes James and Wade even more repugnant is that they're proven liars. You tend to find most genuine victims of this stuff don't want to be defined by their trauma, the ones who never shut up about it (often under the pretense of "raising awareness") are usually the ones who should be treated with a healthy dose of scepticism. Rant over.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 17, 2019 18:17:01 GMT
Outside of a courtroom, the only people desperate to be believed by strangers are the ones doing it to be elevated by the creepy status/perks that now comes with being a victim of a sex crime. Of course, what makes James and Wade even more repugnant is that they're proven liars. You tend to find most genuine victims of this stuff don't want to be defined by their trauma, the ones who never shut up about it (often under the pretense of "raising awareness") are usually the ones who should be treated with a healthy dose of scepticism. Rant over.
Absolutely spot on.
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Post by MattyJam on Jun 17, 2019 18:30:25 GMT
I don't want my above post to come across as insensitive to genuine victims or people really struggling with this stuff. I guess for me, I view my CSA like anything else in my life, something bad that happened, that I moved on from. People can have all kinds of bad things happen to them in their formative years, from bullying at school, to dysfunctional family relationships, ill health, neglect... I guess I just wonder why we, as a society, put CSA up there as this seperate thing, where anybody who experienced it is sainted in adulthood, and we think it's necessary to award massive financial compensation payments as a way of aiding a victims recovery. Why exactly? Why don't we do this to kids who are bullied at school and have crippling self-esteem issues into adulthood as a result? Why don't we reward kids whose parents were alcoholics and messed them up pyschologically as a result? Sometimes I think the mass hysteria over CSA stems from how taboo the subject was for many years, so as a result of that, society now feels the need to over-compensate.
I have many friends and people in my life who were never sexually abused, but who I think were far more damaged from their childhood experiences than I ever was.
Why am I saying all this? I guess it just irks me seeing people using the mass hysteria over CSA to their advantage for attention and to aid in the pursuit of huge financial gain. I think it's repugnant if you're a genuine victim and utterly disgraceful when you're a liar like Wade and James.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 17, 2019 18:53:58 GMT
Not to mention when the possibility of a huge financial compensation is attached to this kind of victimhood, it will inevitably attract opportunists and muddy the water. The denial about that (ie. "people don't lie about this kind of stuff", "just believe victims") doesn't help an honest discussion about this matter (which would also include an acknowledgement of false allegations).
I feel there is always a certain kind of hysteria about anything involving sex. Probably that's why a CSA victim is seen as more of a victim than someone who was "only" a victim of, say, physical abuse as a child. It's also a huge business IMO. See all the CSA survivor networks and organizations and lobbyist groups etc. There are countless of those. And all the law firms specialized in just getting big compensations for alleged CSA (Finaldi and Manly are such a specialized law firm). This further drives the hysteria. Because wherever the money is, that cause will be promoted by those interested in its promotion.
I don't know if someone can sue for historic physical abuse. Probably not. Or at least I rarely hear someone suing his father for regularly beating them as a child. But you can sue for CSA.
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Post by TonyR on Jun 17, 2019 19:31:09 GMT
I don't want my above post to come across as insensitive to genuine victims or people really struggling with this stuff. I guess for me, I view my CSA like anything else in my life, something bad that happened, that I moved on from. People can have all kinds of bad things happen to them in their formative years, from bullying at school, to dysfunctional family relationships, ill health, neglect... I guess I just wonder why we, as a society, put CSA up there as this seperate thing, where anybody who experienced it is sainted in adulthood, and we think it's necessary to award massive financial compensation payments as a way of aiding a victims recovery. Why exactly? Why don't we do this to kids who are bullied at school and have crippling self-esteem issues into adulthood as a result? Why don't we reward kids whose parents were alcoholics and messed them up pyschologically as a result? Sometimes I think the mass hysteria over CSA stems from how taboo the subject was for many years, so as a result of that, society now feels the need to over-compensate. I have many friends and people in my life who were never sexually abused, but who I think were far more damaged from their childhood experiences than I ever was. Why am I saying all this? I guess it just irks me seeing people using the mass hysteria over CSA to their advantage for attention and to aid in the pursuit of huge financial gain. I think it's repugnant if you're a genuine victim and utterly disgraceful when you're a liar like Wade and James. Love this guy x
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Post by MattyJam on Jun 17, 2019 21:10:03 GMT
Not to mention when the possibility of a huge financial compensation is attached to this kind of victimhood, it will inevitably attract opportunists and muddy the water. The denial about that (ie. "people don't lie about this kind of stuff", "just believe victims") doesn't help an honest discussion about this matter (which would also include an acknowledgement of false allegations). I feel there is always a certain kind of hysteria about anything involving sex. Probably that's why a CSA victim is seen as more of a victim than someone who was "only" a victim of, say, physical abuse as a child. It's also a huge business IMO. See all the CSA survivor networks and organizations and lobbyist groups etc. There are countless of those. And all the law firms specialized in just getting big compensations for alleged CSA (Finaldi and Manly are such a specialized law firm). This further drives the hysteria. Because wherever the money is, that cause will be promoted by those interested in its promotion. I don't know if someone can sue for historic physical abuse. Probably not. Or at least I rarely hear someone suing his father for regularly beating them as a child. But you can sue for CSA. Yes, it's rather strange isn't it? I think it says something about the level of perversion in our society and how obsessed everyone is with sex, that CSA is viewed as so much worse than other forms of abuse. Abuse is abuse and when you're talking about the abuse of children, you're robbing them of their innocence through any form of abuse, it doesn't have to be sexual. They're all equally awful in their own way. One of my childhood friends had a mother who was an alcoholic, and he and his siblings were far more damaged by her addiction than I ever was from what happened to me. My point is, it's not just abuse that can cause devastating, long-lasting effects into adulthood. Bad shit happens in life and unfortunately, sometimes it can happen to kids. Out of me and my friend, if anyone deserved a compensation cheque for their robbed childhood, it's my mate who now suffers from his own alcohol dependency issues and whose father killed himself when he was a teenager largely as a byproduct of his wifes drinking. Life can be unfair and some people have a lot of pain and shit to contend with from a very young age. It would be nice if we were all rewarded with compensation cheques for the bad shit that happens in our lives, but that's not how life works. Unless of course you're a victim of CSA, in which case you're entitled to many lucrative perks, amongst which are bucketloads of public sympathy, the right to be 100% believed even if your account is factually problematic, financial compensation and in some cases, documentary's, talk-show appearances, magazine covers, press shoots, publicity tours and standing ovations at film festivals. With all these perks now available, one can't help but wonder at what point victimhood starts becoming actually quite appealing?
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