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Post by Snow White on Jul 22, 2019 20:30:48 GMT
My poor thing Michael, besides looking thoroughly heartbroken and in pain, he looks like he was done with the creatures we're supposed to call humans (the world was anything but human/humane towards him.) 😢
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:47:51 GMT
I snorted laughing at this.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 23, 2019 2:58:57 GMT
Pearl should find another hobby than preying on mentally unstable MJ fans who can't accept his death.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 23, 2019 3:05:07 GMT
My poor thing Michael, besides looking thoroughly heartbroken and in pain, he looks like he was done with the creatures we're supposed to call humans (the world was anything but human/humane towards him.) 😢 To me these pictures are so telling. The look of geniuine trauma and the look of a cynical liar. The media keeps talking about the supposed trauma of these men, yet I've never seen them traumatized. They smirk and laugh while they talk about alleged sexual abuse, especially Safechuck. Robson is just robotic and rehearsed. Even Reed had to find a way to explain it away and he went into this NAMBLA-esque explanation of the "sex" in itself not being traumatic, only the secrecy into adulthood is, so that's why they are only being "traumatized" now.
Their proof of "trauma" is claims of insomnia and anxiety that, guess what, most people have for wide variety of reasons. MJ's trauma of being falsely accused is written on his face.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 24, 2019 13:00:50 GMT
This is gold. I have never seen this before. LaToya caught with an earpiece during interview on which Jack Gordon was telling her what to say when she accused MJ of being a child molester. I never knew before this happened.
So if one more time someone brings up Latoya as evidence of MJ being a molester.
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Post by Suki on Jul 24, 2019 15:04:30 GMT
This is gold. I have never seen this before. LaToya caught with an earpiece during interview on which Jack Gordon was telling her what to say when she accused MJ of being a child molester. I never knew before this happened. So if one more time someone brings up Latoya as evidence of MJ being a molester. It's so sad that many people use Latoya's words here against MJ. It's very clear that she was being forced to say those disgusting things, this video is a clear example. MJ was betrayed by so many...
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jul 26, 2019 9:36:44 GMT
Really don't feel like "MJ is a great person" stories have a place in his doc, hopefully it is not filled with them.
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Post by SoCav on Jul 26, 2019 9:45:41 GMT
^I think a few examples like that can help to counter the narrative Wade tried to spread, that MJ only spent time around kids with the ulterior motive of trying to abuse them. But yeah, hopefully it's not the crux of the docu...
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Post by WildStyle on Jul 26, 2019 23:35:59 GMT
Really don't feel like "MJ is a great person" stories have a place in his doc, hopefully it is not filled with them. There's definitely a place for it. Many people don't know what a truly good hearted person he was. Obviously it can't be nothing but that because that would be pretty useless.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 12:45:10 GMT
As this will be a documentary series - I would say there is definitely room for stories about Michael Jackson's humanitarian work and his friendships/good deeds with people like Farkas. Of course - the priority is the allegations, explaining them very carefully, in detail to cover all the nuances but in an engaging way. However - considering Michael Jackson's eccentricities, and the recent character assassination (every kind act was twisted to be sinister and dirty) then I think stories like these will help re-frame MJ in people's minds to the man he really was.
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Post by Thriller on Jul 28, 2019 22:55:36 GMT
More bullshit from Wade and his lawyers: Michael Jackson accuser Wade Robson is still fighting the MJ estate, along with corporations that were owned by the pop star, and in new legal documents he compares Jackson's enablers to priests inside the Catholic church. In explosive new legal documents obtained by The Blast, Robson argues that employees of MJ's companies were responsible for connecting Robson with Jackson. Robson even specifically mentions the person who actually set up the first meeting of the two of them. Robson says this employee "was responsible for organizing all of [Robson's] meetings with Jackson during this time." Robson claims the person was "the gatekeeper" and was "privy to all of his patterns with children." He says that "any sensible adult who was that close, knowing almost everything about what Michael did every single day because she scheduled it ... for her to the be the gatekeeper, is the one that sent me by setting up this meeting into a pedophile's hand." Wade Robson's lawsuit against Jackson's estate and his companies is in the court of appeal, after losing the first round of the legal fight in the trial courts. These new documents in his appeal point out how he believes the "Defendants did nothing to protect children such as Plaintiff from such horrific abuse and indeed went so far as to facilitate the very circumstances and environment for the abuse to occur and flourish." In his argument, he cites one of the most famous child sexual abuse scandals in history, the case against the Catholic church. Specifically, how any third party has a duty to do something, if they suspect abuse of a child, "to report known or suspected child abuse to law enforcement." Robson then quotes Cardinal Roger Mahoney, from testimony he gave in a case involving a priest, and how the church handled the reporting of such crimes. Mahoney said at the time, "If anyone has knowledge that a child is in danger, physically, emotionally, sexually, anyone, any human being has to do something about that." Robson points out that in his case "reasonable actions could have included steps completely unrelated to Jackson himself (i.e. warning [Robson's] parents, or reporting the abused to officials." He continues, "They did nothing because Jackson was simply too powerful to be controlled. The role defendants played in orchestrating the sexual abuse and patently failing to protect [Robson] from it was nothing short of deplorable. The evidence reveals that defendants actively assisted Jackson in his sexual pursuit of him." As in the HBO documentary "Leaving Neverland," Robson is very graphic in detailing the assaults and how many people were responsible for the pop star's actions. Starting when he "was just seven-years old Michael Jackson began sexually molesting him. They did not dispute that from age 7 to 14, [Robson] was repeatedly, sexually abused by Jackson and that such abuse included fondling, kissing, as well as oral sex (both given and received) and anal sex." Robson claims the employees of the pop star were involved in every aspect of the abuse, claiming they "arranged for the introductions, the meetings, and the logistics of the travel to put Jackson in a position to sexually abuse. Rather than protecting [Robson] and other children from sexual abuse by Jackson, they implemented measures designed to conceal the abuse and make it harder for victims' families and the authorities to discover the abuse." Interestingly, he even claims in the new docs that the MJ estate "concedes for purposes of this appeal that despite being aware of Jackson's pedophilic tendencies, they did nothing to protect other children form such abuse is aware that the child is exposed to a perpetrator who has sexually abused children in the past." As The Blast previously reported, the MJ estate has previously argued that MJ cannot defend himself now that he is dead and Robson is now "free to press his accusations against Jackson in the court of public opinion -- as he has done so loudly and repeatedly -- without fear of being sued for defamation." Estate attorneys also pointed out during the appeal process that Robson missed the cutoff to file against any of MJ's companies, and strongly believe he does not meet the criteria for an exception. Finally, they point out, even Robson's own mother thought the King of Pop was "innocent" when she was testified in front of a grand jury back in 1994. Robson's attorneys responded by saying, "The righteousness of Defendants position is puzzling and frankly disturbing. [Robson] has every right to pursue his claim against an entity who literally did nothing to protect him for the rampant sexual abuse he suffered." The case is now with the court of Appeals, and will be decided by a panel of judges as to if or not the case will continue. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michael-jackson-accuser-wade-robson-203739636.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw
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Post by Thriller on Jul 28, 2019 23:06:27 GMT
A few things.
It really is grasping at straws to blame the employee (figuring Norma Staikos) for his own Mother wanting him to be around MJ. There has never been any assistant that worked for MJ that claims they knew of abuse going on.
Again, Joy escapes blame. Victor Gutierrez approached her and claimed MJ was a child molester. There was also the 1993 investigation. After both of these incidents Joy allowed Wade to be around MJ.
Wade originally claimed before the age of 29 he didn't realise it was abuse. During the Chandler investigation and at MJ's 2005 trial he denied any abuse happened. You had employees making claims, including about Wade, and he still maintained nothing happened. So, what could be done?
Disgruntled employees spoke to police. Blanca Francia claimed she saw MJ and Wade in the shower together. Wade denied it. Again, if he wants to go with 'I didn't realise until the age of 29 I'd been abused' then it wouldn't matter what anybody said.
The irony of this is, for years he's been arguing in court that Jackson could be controlled.
Lies again. The dance contest he won was set up by Target, Pepsi and CBS Records. Wade claims abuse took place in his Mother's apartment. How could anybody have stopped that?
I have no idea what this part means. It seems an odd thing that the Estate would concede on.
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Post by MattyJam on Jul 28, 2019 23:18:22 GMT
More bullshit from Wade and his lawyers: Michael Jackson accuser Wade Robson is still fighting the MJ estate, along with corporations that were owned by the pop star, and in new legal documents he compares Jackson's enablers to priests inside the Catholic church. In explosive new legal documents obtained by The Blast, Robson argues that employees of MJ's companies were responsible for connecting Robson with Jackson. Robson even specifically mentions the person who actually set up the first meeting of the two of them. Robson says this employee "was responsible for organizing all of [Robson's] meetings with Jackson during this time." Robson claims the person was "the gatekeeper" and was "privy to all of his patterns with children." He says that "any sensible adult who was that close, knowing almost everything about what Michael did every single day because she scheduled it ... for her to the be the gatekeeper, is the one that sent me by setting up this meeting into a pedophile's hand." Wade Robson's lawsuit against Jackson's estate and his companies is in the court of appeal, after losing the first round of the legal fight in the trial courts. These new documents in his appeal point out how he believes the "Defendants did nothing to protect children such as Plaintiff from such horrific abuse and indeed went so far as to facilitate the very circumstances and environment for the abuse to occur and flourish." In his argument, he cites one of the most famous child sexual abuse scandals in history, the case against the Catholic church. Specifically, how any third party has a duty to do something, if they suspect abuse of a child, "to report known or suspected child abuse to law enforcement." Robson then quotes Cardinal Roger Mahoney, from testimony he gave in a case involving a priest, and how the church handled the reporting of such crimes. Mahoney said at the time, "If anyone has knowledge that a child is in danger, physically, emotionally, sexually, anyone, any human being has to do something about that." Robson points out that in his case "reasonable actions could have included steps completely unrelated to Jackson himself (i.e. warning [Robson's] parents, or reporting the abused to officials." He continues, "They did nothing because Jackson was simply too powerful to be controlled. The role defendants played in orchestrating the sexual abuse and patently failing to protect [Robson] from it was nothing short of deplorable. The evidence reveals that defendants actively assisted Jackson in his sexual pursuit of him." As in the HBO documentary "Leaving Neverland," Robson is very graphic in detailing the assaults and how many people were responsible for the pop star's actions. Starting when he "was just seven-years old Michael Jackson began sexually molesting him. They did not dispute that from age 7 to 14, [Robson] was repeatedly, sexually abused by Jackson and that such abuse included fondling, kissing, as well as oral sex (both given and received) and anal sex." Robson claims the employees of the pop star were involved in every aspect of the abuse, claiming they "arranged for the introductions, the meetings, and the logistics of the travel to put Jackson in a position to sexually abuse. Rather than protecting [Robson] and other children from sexual abuse by Jackson, they implemented measures designed to conceal the abuse and make it harder for victims' families and the authorities to discover the abuse." Interestingly, he even claims in the new docs that the MJ estate "concedes for purposes of this appeal that despite being aware of Jackson's pedophilic tendencies, they did nothing to protect other children form such abuse is aware that the child is exposed to a perpetrator who has sexually abused children in the past." As The Blast previously reported, the MJ estate has previously argued that MJ cannot defend himself now that he is dead and Robson is now "free to press his accusations against Jackson in the court of public opinion -- as he has done so loudly and repeatedly -- without fear of being sued for defamation." Estate attorneys also pointed out during the appeal process that Robson missed the cutoff to file against any of MJ's companies, and strongly believe he does not meet the criteria for an exception. Finally, they point out, even Robson's own mother thought the King of Pop was "innocent" when she was testified in front of a grand jury back in 1994. Robson's attorneys responded by saying, "The righteousness of Defendants position is puzzling and frankly disturbing. [Robson] has every right to pursue his claim against an entity who literally did nothing to protect him for the rampant sexual abuse he suffered." The case is now with the court of Appeals, and will be decided by a panel of judges as to if or not the case will continue. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michael-jackson-accuser-wade-robson-203739636.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=twUnless the two men directly involved in facilitating Wades “abuse” are John Branca and John McCain then I really don’t see how MJs estate could be held responsible? It just doesn’t make any sense. Making parallels between MJs estate and the Catholic Church is just non-sensical.
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Post by Thriller on Jul 28, 2019 23:21:18 GMT
More bullshit from Wade and his lawyers: Michael Jackson accuser Wade Robson is still fighting the MJ estate, along with corporations that were owned by the pop star, and in new legal documents he compares Jackson's enablers to priests inside the Catholic church. In explosive new legal documents obtained by The Blast, Robson argues that employees of MJ's companies were responsible for connecting Robson with Jackson. Robson even specifically mentions the person who actually set up the first meeting of the two of them. Robson says this employee "was responsible for organizing all of [Robson's] meetings with Jackson during this time." Robson claims the person was "the gatekeeper" and was "privy to all of his patterns with children." He says that "any sensible adult who was that close, knowing almost everything about what Michael did every single day because she scheduled it ... for her to the be the gatekeeper, is the one that sent me by setting up this meeting into a pedophile's hand." Wade Robson's lawsuit against Jackson's estate and his companies is in the court of appeal, after losing the first round of the legal fight in the trial courts. These new documents in his appeal point out how he believes the "Defendants did nothing to protect children such as Plaintiff from such horrific abuse and indeed went so far as to facilitate the very circumstances and environment for the abuse to occur and flourish." In his argument, he cites one of the most famous child sexual abuse scandals in history, the case against the Catholic church. Specifically, how any third party has a duty to do something, if they suspect abuse of a child, "to report known or suspected child abuse to law enforcement." Robson then quotes Cardinal Roger Mahoney, from testimony he gave in a case involving a priest, and how the church handled the reporting of such crimes. Mahoney said at the time, "If anyone has knowledge that a child is in danger, physically, emotionally, sexually, anyone, any human being has to do something about that." Robson points out that in his case "reasonable actions could have included steps completely unrelated to Jackson himself (i.e. warning [Robson's] parents, or reporting the abused to officials." He continues, "They did nothing because Jackson was simply too powerful to be controlled. The role defendants played in orchestrating the sexual abuse and patently failing to protect [Robson] from it was nothing short of deplorable. The evidence reveals that defendants actively assisted Jackson in his sexual pursuit of him." As in the HBO documentary "Leaving Neverland," Robson is very graphic in detailing the assaults and how many people were responsible for the pop star's actions. Starting when he "was just seven-years old Michael Jackson began sexually molesting him. They did not dispute that from age 7 to 14, [Robson] was repeatedly, sexually abused by Jackson and that such abuse included fondling, kissing, as well as oral sex (both given and received) and anal sex." Robson claims the employees of the pop star were involved in every aspect of the abuse, claiming they "arranged for the introductions, the meetings, and the logistics of the travel to put Jackson in a position to sexually abuse. Rather than protecting [Robson] and other children from sexual abuse by Jackson, they implemented measures designed to conceal the abuse and make it harder for victims' families and the authorities to discover the abuse." Interestingly, he even claims in the new docs that the MJ estate "concedes for purposes of this appeal that despite being aware of Jackson's pedophilic tendencies, they did nothing to protect other children form such abuse is aware that the child is exposed to a perpetrator who has sexually abused children in the past." As The Blast previously reported, the MJ estate has previously argued that MJ cannot defend himself now that he is dead and Robson is now "free to press his accusations against Jackson in the court of public opinion -- as he has done so loudly and repeatedly -- without fear of being sued for defamation." Estate attorneys also pointed out during the appeal process that Robson missed the cutoff to file against any of MJ's companies, and strongly believe he does not meet the criteria for an exception. Finally, they point out, even Robson's own mother thought the King of Pop was "innocent" when she was testified in front of a grand jury back in 1994. Robson's attorneys responded by saying, "The righteousness of Defendants position is puzzling and frankly disturbing. [Robson] has every right to pursue his claim against an entity who literally did nothing to protect him for the rampant sexual abuse he suffered." The case is now with the court of Appeals, and will be decided by a panel of judges as to if or not the case will continue. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michael-jackson-accuser-wade-robson-203739636.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=twUnless the two men directly involved in facilitating Wades “abuse” are John Branca and John McCain then I really don’t see how MJs estate could be held responsible? It just doesn’t make any sense. Making parallels between MJs estate and the Catholic Church is just non-sensical. I'd like to see the documents. As that part about the Estate conceding they knew about MJ and did nothing is odd. Especially given this case is against MJ's companies. Also, the quote sounds fishy to me.
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Post by Thriller on Jul 28, 2019 23:48:01 GMT
Wade now wants to discard years of court documents. "They did nothing because Jackson was simply too powerful to be controlled. The role defendants played in orchestrating the sexual abuse and patently failing to protect [Robson] from it was nothing short of deplorable. The evidence reveals that defendants actively assisted Jackson in his sexual pursuit of him."
Here is an example of what they were claiming the companies could do: The judge saw through the fact that MJ wasn't employed by the companies, and owned them 100%, and didn't have control over his personal life. But now, Wade and his lawyers want to claim 'despite us saying the companies hired Michael, and had control over him, we now want to change to 'he was too powerful to control''
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