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Post by Russg on Sept 15, 2019 10:53:28 GMT
Isn't it funny how neither Wade or James seem to show the slightest bit of remorse or responsibility for not coming out with their stories until they were both knocking on 40. There was almost two decades from the start of their abuse to the end of MJs life where they could've stopped this terrible monster from molesting other children, and yet they didn't. If I were them, I would feel pretty sheepish about that and it would weigh heavy on my conscience. I certainly wouldn't be parading around like some kind of hero or spokesperson for CSA survivors, when I knew I could've stopped my abuser in his tracks. I know it's very common for victims to stay silent, but usually once someone comes forward, there is an avalanche domino effect and all the other victims find the courage to come forward also, and they back eachother up, adding credibility to the one another. Neither Wade or James did this in 93 or 05.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 11:05:51 GMT
Isn't it funny how neither Wade or James seem to show the slightest bit of remorse or responsibility for not coming out with their stories until they were both knocking on 40. There was almost two decades from the start of their abuse to the end of MJs life where they could've stopped this terrible monster from molesting other children, and yet they didn't. If I were them, I would feel pretty sheepish about that and it would weigh heavy on my conscience. I certainly wouldn't be parading around like some kind of hero or spokesperson for CSA survivors, when I knew I could've stopped my abuser in his tracks. I know it's very common for victims to stay silent, but usually once someone comes forward, there is an avalanche domino effect and all the other victims find the courage to come forward also, and they back eachother up, adding credibility to the one another. Neither Wade or James did this in 93 or 05. Never understood this. Both adults in 2003+. They could have given Arvizo "justice". That would only screw up their victim narrative though.
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Post by Russg on Sept 15, 2019 11:11:40 GMT
Isn't it funny how neither Wade or James seem to show the slightest bit of remorse or responsibility for not coming out with their stories until they were both knocking on 40. There was almost two decades from the start of their abuse to the end of MJs life where they could've stopped this terrible monster from molesting other children, and yet they didn't. If I were them, I would feel pretty sheepish about that and it would weigh heavy on my conscience. I certainly wouldn't be parading around like some kind of hero or spokesperson for CSA survivors, when I knew I could've stopped my abuser in his tracks. I know it's very common for victims to stay silent, but usually once someone comes forward, there is an avalanche domino effect and all the other victims find the courage to come forward also, and they back eachother up, adding credibility to the one another. Neither Wade or James did this in 93 or 05. Never understood this. Both adults in 2003+. They could have given Arvizo "justice". That would only screw up their victim narrative though. This doesn't just apply to Wade and James either. Lets just give Wade the benefit of the doubt a second and go with his theory that he didn't have any perspective on it (which is a dubious claim in itself), but what about James? What about Jordan? What about Brett Barnes and Mac? If MJ was the molester they want us so badly to believe he was, then how realistic is it that not ONE of his other then adult victims would have the courage/decency to back up Arvizo in 2005?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 11:13:28 GMT
Never understood this. Both adults in 2003+. They could have given Arvizo "justice". That would only screw up their victim narrative though. This doesn't just apply to Wade and James either. Lets just give Wade the benefit of the doubt a second and go with his theory that he didn't have any perspective on it (which is a dubious claim in itself), but what about James? What about Jordan? What about Brett Barnes and Mac? If MJ was the molester they want us so badly to believe he was, then how realistic is it that not ONE of his other now adult victims would have the courage/decency to back up Arvizo in 2005? Yeah, as if you could be THAT confident, nay COCKY, going into the trial!!! Common sense gone out the window. People have just seen the "potential grooming like circumstances" and have closed their minds. Morons.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Sept 15, 2019 11:27:13 GMT
Shock horror it won 😂 Personally who cares. Like i said before its old hat now. I doubt this will get mentioned anywhere except by haters or supporters. Next!
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 15, 2019 11:51:28 GMT
Chucky is genuinely having the time of his life. You can tell he feels like a proper celebrity now. Even though we knew they would win, it did feel like a kick in the balls just reading it on here but I’m over it. This has been part of the agenda. Somewhere in Hollywood Harvey Weinstein is getting his rocks off with some young A-grade trim and Wade is dressed as MJ listening to the Bad album whilst looking at himself dancing in a mirror. Chucky is in a bath tub clutching the award giving a thank you speech to the wall. And Oprah is probably still wet.
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Post by respect77 on Sept 15, 2019 12:25:46 GMT
I noticed this too. It seems Freudian to me. They know their own allegations are false so they always talk about "helping other victims" instead. Obviously, this is also for sympathy, but I also think it is somewhat Freudian, to justify their lies in their head. "If we help victims with this story then we aren't all that bad, we aren't doing all that bad. MJ is dead, so we don't really harm him, but we help victims, so eventually we are doing good." Like Mez said once, you wouldn't believe all the ways people are capable of justifying their own bad behavior to themselves.
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Post by respect77 on Sept 15, 2019 12:32:41 GMT
Isn't it funny how neither Wade or James seem to show the slightest bit of remorse or responsibility for not coming out with their stories until they were both knocking on 40. There was almost two decades from the start of their abuse to the end of MJs life where they could've stopped this terrible monster from molesting other children, and yet they didn't. If I were them, I would feel pretty sheepish about that and it would weigh heavy on my conscience. I certainly wouldn't be parading around like some kind of hero or spokesperson for CSA survivors, when I knew I could've stopped my abuser in his tracks. I know it's very common for victims to stay silent, but usually once someone comes forward, there is an avalanche domino effect and all the other victims find the courage to come forward also, and they back eachother up, adding credibility to the one another. Neither Wade or James did this in 93 or 05. Instead they claim, that despite of two very public allegations in 1993 and 2005, they somehow still did not realize they were abused. Stereo Williams's article is great at asking these questions no one else seems to ask in the media:
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Post by respect77 on Sept 15, 2019 12:36:18 GMT
Never understood this. Both adults in 2003+. They could have given Arvizo "justice". That would only screw up their victim narrative though. This doesn't just apply to Wade and James either. Lets just give Wade the benefit of the doubt a second and go with his theory that he didn't have any perspective on it (which is a dubious claim in itself), but what about James? What about Jordan? What about Brett Barnes and Mac? If MJ was the molester they want us so badly to believe he was, then how realistic is it that not ONE of his other then adult victims would have the courage/decency to back up Arvizo in 2005? And like you said, not even Jordan.
In fact, as you will see in the Square One documentary, Jordan has been telling people in school that in his opinion MJ was innocent in the Arvizo case...
And Jordan still doesn't want to help out James and Wade.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Sept 15, 2019 13:47:51 GMT
All the positive audience reviews read like they are pre planned lol.
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 15, 2019 13:50:53 GMT
I noticed this too. It seems Freudian to me. They know their own allegations are false so they always talk about "helping other victims" instead. Obviously, this is also for sympathy, but I also think it is somewhat Freudian, to justify their lies in their head. "If we help victims with this story then we aren't all that bad, we aren't doing all that bad. MJ is dead, so we don't really harm him, but we help victims, so eventually we are doing good." Like Mez said once, you wouldn't believe all the ways people are capable of justifying their own bad behavior to themselves.
Spot on! They need to believe their doing this for a greater good. That justification is also something they'll hide behind if and when this charade comes to an end; “Poor Wade, poor James, they only done it because they genuinely thought they could help real victims”
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Post by Suki on Sept 15, 2019 16:12:22 GMT
This doesn't just apply to Wade and James either. Lets just give Wade the benefit of the doubt a second and go with his theory that he didn't have any perspective on it (which is a dubious claim in itself), but what about James? What about Jordan? What about Brett Barnes and Mac? If MJ was the molester they want us so badly to believe he was, then how realistic is it that not ONE of his other then adult victims would have the courage/decency to back up Arvizo in 2005? And like you said, not even Jordan.
In fact, as you will see in the Square One documentary, Jordan has been telling people in school that in his opinion MJ was innocent in the Arvizo case...
And Jordan still doesn't want to help out James and Wade.
I often wonder how Jordan and Gavin are dealing with this year. Jordan especially, does he not feel an ounce of guilt? Knowing that he and his father laid the foundations for all that came after. A coward if ever there was one. How do they sleep at night?
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Post by MattyJam on Sept 15, 2019 16:17:54 GMT
And like you said, not even Jordan.
In fact, as you will see in the Square One documentary, Jordan has been telling people in school that in his opinion MJ was innocent in the Arvizo case... And Jordan still doesn't want to help out James and Wade.
I often wonder how Jordan and Gavin are dealing with this year. Jordan especially, does he not feel an ounce of guilt? Knowing that he and his father laid the foundations for all that came after. A coward if ever there was one. How do they sleep at night?Comfortably, I imagine. With parents like Janet Arvizo and Evan Chandler, I shouldn't imagine Gavin/Jordan developed too much of a moral conscience throughout their formative years.
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Post by WildStyle on Sept 15, 2019 16:21:55 GMT
To think that Jordan could end all of this bullshit with one press release. I was so tempted to send his wife or fiancé or whatever she is a DM on instagram but I know it's useless.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Sept 15, 2019 16:39:34 GMT
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