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Post by respect77 on May 26, 2020 6:59:32 GMT
The media's hypocrisy is unbelievable. So when someone accuses a guy they like, in this case Biden, then any inconsistency or lie in what the accuser claims can be used to fully discredit her. However, in case if Robson and Safechuck everything was put down to "trauma" and arguments like "just because he lies about this thing, it doesn't mean he wasn't molested". Can you spot the difference?
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Post by ShadowDeeps on May 26, 2020 16:34:12 GMT
If I recall correctly, CNN is part of the HBO/Time Warner family. So it’s no surprise they would conduct an extensive investigation into Biden’s accuser but would pay no mind to Wade and James other than to represent their accusations as “credible”. But a number of other media outlets which condoned Leaving Neverland (USA Today, The Associated Press, and so forth) have also taken it upon themselves to question Tara Reade. And certain blue ticks on social media. In other words, “believe all victims” was just a suitable excuse to disparage MJ (especially since he’s no longer capable of defending himself). It doesn’t apply to people they’ve actually taken a liking to or support. How convenient and hypocritical.
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Post by amaya on May 26, 2020 16:52:17 GMT
Disgusting. And if you call them out for their hypocrisy they either ignore you or come up with bullshit excuses. I worry about the future of humanity.
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Post by HIStoric on May 31, 2020 12:23:57 GMT
Was just doing a general search for MJ on Reddit as I do every once in a while. I don't really go to the LeavingNeverlandHBO subreddit, even when it appears in the search results. The subreddit is filled with people who are confident he's guilty, and generally rely on information I've seen quashed or called into question by something here.
But I came across this post anyway, where they're obviously mocking the way MJ fans try to call out Wade/James for lying:
And naturally in the comments, everyone there is going on about how it's a brilliant write up? ...but it's not?
The main issue I have is that unlike Wade/James, Michael Jackson never changed what he said about his father's abuse.
First of all, they use Bashir's interview and claim he "decides to tell us his father abused him" when "his career is failing". Obviously throwing back to how MJ supporters say that Wade/James only made allegations when they were in financial struggles, or their careers were failing. Except a) his career wasn't really failing in 2003. His last album from 2 years prior that barely got promoted still sold 13 million copies, and the Number Ones album that would be released that year would go on to become his best selling compilation (HIStory aside since that's also new material) and b) he didn't introduce that then. He actually first brought it up in 1993 in the Oprah interview, back when his career was still doing extremely well and before any allegations came up:
Michael: I felt there wasn't anything important for me to say and those were very sad, sad years for me. Oprah: Why so sad? Because on stage you were performing, you were getting your Grammies. Why so sad? Michael: Oh, there's a lot of sadness about my past and adolescence, about my father and all of those things. Oprah: So he would tease you, make fun of you. Michael: Yes. Oprah: Would he ... did he ever beat you? Michael: Yes. Oprah: And why would he beat you? Michael: He saw me, he wanted me ... I guess I don't know if I was his golden child or whatever it was, some may call it a strict disciplinarian or whatever, but he was very strict, very hard, very stern. Just a look would scare you, you know. Oprah: And were you scared of him? Michael: Very. Like there's been times when he'd come to see me, I'd get sick, I'd start to regurgitate. Oprah: As a child or as an adult? Michael: Both. He's never heard me say this. I'm sorry, please don't be mad at me.
So if anything, already their joking argument is already falling apart, because Michael's held a consistent position on his father's abuse, one that was introduced before his career showed any sign of slowdown?
The fact he thanks his father and they're together at the courthouse? He obviously has a very complex relationship with him, and is able to be upset at the abuse but still thank him for the workmanship that he instilled in him. And a proven liar? Well that clip of him lying to Bashir doesn't mean anything because everyone lies at some point. Lying about (obvious) plastic surgery, which doesn't mean anything at the end of the day, and lying about accusations of an incredibly serious crime are at two completely different ends of the spectrum.
And when they bring in La Toya, even if you ignoring the fact that she was forced by her abusive husband to say those things, it doesn't change the fact that multiple other Jacksons have correlated Michael's claims of Joseph's abuse. How is that any different than a number of boys accusing Michael they might ask? Well for starters, none of the Jacksons claims invalidate one anothers (The Arvizos childrens stories contradicted each other in court, and both Safechuck/Robson painted different pictures of MJ as an abuser at first), plus the Jacksons didn't have a sinister motive behind the accusations. They don't try to make tens of millions of dollars off them. Plus never mind that Katherine has agreed that Joseph hit his kids (just she sees it as 'discipline'), and Joseph on camera has admitted to hitting him with various things, but refuses to believe it was beating.
And as to that last sentence, all those accusations from those involved came to light decades before Joe Jackson died so he was actually able to defend himself, and was able to express his opinion on it multiple times.
It's one of those posts where they all think "Ah hah! Gotcha!" and it might look clever on the surface, but you actually examine it for more than a minute and it falls apart, completely.
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Post by respect77 on May 31, 2020 13:31:29 GMT
MJ didn't only talk about Joseph's abuse in 1993, he already talked about it in 1980 here (around 0:55). So their whole premise is wrong.
And show me where MJ ever denied Joseph beating him, especially show me where he denied it under oath and claimed later he denied it because he didn't know/understand/realize at the time that beating a child was beating a child.
Not to mention he is on record of privately telling about it to numerous people (unlike Wade and James who claim they never told anyone before deciding to sue). He is venting about it on and on and on on the Glenda tapes, for example as a clearly traumatized man.
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Post by respect77 on May 31, 2020 14:14:32 GMT
Actually I like the fact how much they are shooting themselves in the foot with this argument so I did this thread about it:
If anything, there is a HUGE difference in the records of MJ talking about his abuse (both privately and publicly) over the years, the trauma he showed about it and Wade/James's behavior.
It's not like in 2003 he came up a completely different story to what he has told before. In fact, he was always consistent about the beatings and talked about them even in public since 1979, let alone he is on literal record of talking about them privately on the Glenda tapes.
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Post by HIStoric on May 31, 2020 15:13:37 GMT
^Great thread!
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Post by TonyR on Jul 5, 2020 19:05:33 GMT
Blimey, Taj has been busy. Thread.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jul 5, 2020 21:05:21 GMT
Are they old but new messages or what he put out in the past?
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Post by TonyR on Jul 5, 2020 21:23:59 GMT
Are they old but new messages or what he put out in the past? Mix of old messages plus inconsistencies is his story over the years all in one thread. Not sure why now.
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Post by TonyR on Jul 5, 2020 21:37:45 GMT
Are they old but new messages or what he put out in the past? Mix of old messages plus inconsistencies is his story over the years all in one thread. Not sure why now. He must have heard me.
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Post by Russg on Jul 6, 2020 2:43:36 GMT
Seeing talk on Twitter about Wade dropping the charges? Anyone know if this is true?
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Post by respect77 on Jul 6, 2020 3:08:58 GMT
Seeing talk on Twitter about Wade dropping the charges? Anyone know if this is true? No, he doesn't. In his fourth amended complaint he dropped CSA charges, but it's just a legal thing (now that i think about it, probably it's just that companies can't commit child sexual abuse). It doesn't mean they don't claim MJ abused him.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 6, 2020 3:24:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 7:28:06 GMT
Have they been backed into a corner regarding the CSA accusations, perhaps? Considering CSA allegations are at the heart of this case, the above surely doesn't mean that the allegations can't be addressed during cross examinations? And... does the above not open the parents up to being liable?... (if the nonsense was true, rather)
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