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Post by elusivemoonwalker on May 13, 2021 18:37:57 GMT
Thanks snow white
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Post by MattyJam on May 21, 2021 10:59:50 GMT
For some reason, this article made me think of Wade Robson. The perpetual victim mentality to gain fame and money and blaming everyone else for things that you dislike about your life. I'm not saying Harry hasn't got the right to feel angry at the press for what happened to his mother, but continually throwing his family under the bus and blaming them for everything is very reminiscent of Wade's delusions about MJ. He also talks about his families "total neglect" when Meghan was struggling with her mental health and contemplating suicide. Ummmm.... how is that his families responsibility? Or am I missing something? Everyone is responsible for looking after their own mental health and I say that as a person who has struggled with depression/anxiety myself and has a strong family history of those issues. I didn't expect anybody to pick up the pieces after me or blame anyone else for my struggles. It's become a really convenient cultural phenomenon to absolve oneself of any personal accountability in life and blame everything you're unhappy with on those around you.
It's all very self-serving, narcissistic and selfish.
Here's the article:
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Post by respect77 on May 21, 2021 11:24:04 GMT
I agree with this article re "Therapy Culture". Oprah is a big promoter of that and it's probably not a coincidence that this documentary around Harry's therapy was produced by her. She did this since the Satanic Abuse moral panic. I also can see the Wade parallel, although of course Harry is by far not as sinister and amoral as Wade. But I can see that what Harry is doing here is the type of career Wade envisioned for himself with this self styled guru and therapist image he's doing. Unfortunately for him people are not as interested in him as they are in the royal family.
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Post by HIStoric on May 21, 2021 11:32:54 GMT
He also talks about his families "total neglect" when Meghan was struggling with her mental health and contemplating suicide. Ummmm.... how is that his families responsibility? Or am I missing something? Everyone is responsible for looking after their own mental health and I say that as a person who has struggled with depression/anxiety myself and has a strong family history of those issues. I haven't watched the new Apple TV series, and I only watched part of their interview with Oprah some months ago so I admit I only know so much. However I recall a segment where Meghan said that when she was struggling mentally really badly, thoughts of self-harm and all that, but when she tried to get on top of that and get help, the Royal Family staff basically put a stop to that saying it wouldn't be good for the Institution. If that is the case - that she's in a lifestyle where they control a lot of her activity, and she reaches out for help but they actively get in the way of her receiving help - then I think it's fair to say that they get some of the blame for her struggles.
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Post by MattyJam on May 21, 2021 11:40:40 GMT
He also talks about his families "total neglect" when Meghan was struggling with her mental health and contemplating suicide. Ummmm.... how is that his families responsibility? Or am I missing something? Everyone is responsible for looking after their own mental health and I say that as a person who has struggled with depression/anxiety myself and has a strong family history of those issues. I haven't watched the new Apple TV series, and I only watched part of their interview with Oprah some months ago so I admit I only know so much. However I recall a segment where Meghan said that when she was struggling mentally really badly, thoughts of self-harm and all that, but when she tried to get on top of that and get help, the Royal Family staff basically put a stop to that saying it wouldn't be good for the Institution. If that is the case - that she's in a lifestyle where they control a lot of her activity, and she reaches out for help but they actively get in the way of her receiving help - then I think it's fair to say that they get some of the blame for her struggles. Did she actually claim the Royal Family tried to stop her from getting help? My understanding was that Harry/Meghan accused the family of not doing enough to help, which is very different. You can't hold other people accountable for your own personal struggles with mental health.
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Post by pg13 on May 21, 2021 11:43:05 GMT
For some reason, this article made me think of Wade Robson. The perpetual victim mentality to gain fame and money and blaming everyone else for things that you dislike about your life. I'm not saying Harry hasn't got the right to feel angry at the press for what happened to his mother, but continually throwing his family under the bus and blaming them for everything is very reminiscent of Wade's delusions about MJ. He also talks about his families "total neglect" when Meghan was struggling with her mental health and contemplating suicide. Ummmm.... how is that his families responsibility? Or am I missing something? Everyone is responsible for looking after their own mental health and I say that as a person who has struggled with depression/anxiety myself and has a strong family history of those issues. I didn't expect anybody to pick up the pieces after me or blame anyone else for my struggles. It's become a really convenient cultural phenomenon to absolve oneself of any personal accountability in life and blame everything you're unhappy with on those around you. It's all very self-serving, narcissistic and selfish. Here's the article: That's without setting out quite how many lies were told to Oprah which certainly dents Meghan and Harry's personal credibility. People have done to their Oprah interview what MJ fans did to Robson and Safechuck's interview with Dan Reed. Provided a number of receipts in response to various claims, some of it photographic. No wonder Meghan and Harry aren't very popular in the UK now. Does my head in how professional victimhood is becoming more and more common whilst scepticism goes out of the window. And all this in the covid era where people have died, not to mention those who lost their jobs and are now in serious debt. People like Harry and Wade leave a bad taste behind.....in different ways, of course.
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Post by MattyJam on May 21, 2021 11:49:10 GMT
Does my head in how professional victimhood is becoming more and more common whilst scepticism goes out of the window. This. People like Harry and Wade leave a bad taste behind.....in different ways, of course. This. And all this in the covid era where people have died, not to mention those who lost their jobs and are now in serious debt. And this. How self-absorbed have you got to be? And totally tone deaf.
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Post by HIStoric on May 21, 2021 11:53:38 GMT
I haven't watched the new Apple TV series, and I only watched part of their interview with Oprah some months ago so I admit I only know so much. However I recall a segment where Meghan said that when she was struggling mentally really badly, thoughts of self-harm and all that, but when she tried to get on top of that and get help, the Royal Family staff basically put a stop to that saying it wouldn't be good for the Institution. If that is the case - that she's in a lifestyle where they control a lot of her activity, and she reaches out for help but they actively get in the way of her receiving help - then I think it's fair to say that they get some of the blame for her struggles. Did she actually claim the Royal Family tried to stop her from getting help? My understanding was that Harry/Meghan accused the family of not doing enough to help, which is very different. You can't hold other people accountable for your own personal struggles with mental health.
By the sounds of it, I think so. She said "I was told I couldn't get help, that it wouldn't be good for the institution" which sounds like them trying to put a stop to any help. I'm not quite sure if she would have been able to get it independently or what not, now that she was a royal. I remember she said they kept her at home a lot because they were afraid of overexposure in the press (and she also said this staying-at-home contributed to her declining mental health), so perhaps that might have been a barrier to independent therapy outside of their approval?
Anyway, the above quote was from this article if you wanted more quotes from her:
finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/meghan-markle-opens-her-mental-022700157.html
During her primetime interview with Oprah Winfrey this evening, Meghan Markle opened up about her mental health, and how the institution of the royal family did not get her the help she needed when she was struggling.
"I've never felt this way before, and I need to go somewhere [to get help]," Meghan said, revealing that she was having suicidal thoughts and was thinking of harming herself. "This was very clear and very scary," she says.
"I was told that I couldn't [get help], that it wouldn't be good for the institution," Meghan told Oprah.
"I went to one of the most senior people to get help. And I share this because, there are so many people who are afraid to voice that they need help, and I know how hard it is to not just voice it but to be told no."
So Meghan went to human resources at the Palace. "I said: 'I need help.'"
"[Human resources] said: 'My heart goes out to you because I see how bad it is, but there's nothing we can do to protect you because you're not a paid employee of the institution.' This wasn't a choice, this was emails and begging for help saying very specifically: 'I am concerned for my mental welfare.'"
"Nothing was ever done," Meghan said. "So we had to find a solution." The solution they found, of course, was stepping back from their senior positions in the royal family, and moving to the U.S.
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Post by respect77 on May 21, 2021 11:54:37 GMT
Didn't they say the moved to the US because they were tired of publicity in the UK and they want to keep a low profile? Since then they are doing one high profile show after another, including airing their deepest private matters out in the public.
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Post by MattyJam on May 21, 2021 12:03:35 GMT
Did she actually claim the Royal Family tried to stop her from getting help? My understanding was that Harry/Meghan accused the family of not doing enough to help, which is very different. You can't hold other people accountable for your own personal struggles with mental health. By the sounds of it, I think so. She said "I was told I couldn't get help, that it wouldn't be good for the institution" which sounds like them trying to put a stop to any help. I'm not quite sure if she would have been able to get it independently or what not, now that she was a royal. I remember she said they kept her at home a lot because they were afraid of overexposure in the press (and she also said this staying-at-home contributed to her declining mental health), so perhaps that might have been a barrier to independent therapy outside of their approval?
Anyway, the above quote was from this article if you wanted more quotes from her:
finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/meghan-markle-opens-her-mental-022700157.htmlDuring her primetime interview with Oprah Winfrey this evening, Meghan Markle opened up about her mental health, and how the institution of the royal family did not get her the help she needed when she was struggling.
"I've never felt this way before, and I need to go somewhere [to get help]," Meghan said, revealing that she was having suicidal thoughts and was thinking of harming herself. "This was very clear and very scary," she says.
"I was told that I couldn't [get help], that it wouldn't be good for the institution," Meghan told Oprah.
"I went to one of the most senior people to get help. And I share this because, there are so many people who are afraid to voice that they need help, and I know how hard it is to not just voice it but to be told no."
So Meghan went to human resources at the Palace. "I said: 'I need help.'"
"[Human resources] said: 'My heart goes out to you because I see how bad it is, but there's nothing we can do to protect you because you're not a paid employee of the institution.' This wasn't a choice, this was emails and begging for help saying very specifically: 'I am concerned for my mental welfare.'"
"Nothing was ever done," Meghan said. "So we had to find a solution." The solution they found, of course, was stepping back from their senior positions in the royal family, and moving to the U.S.
Yeah, I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. Nobody can stop you from getting help if you really want it. Plus she was in a super privileged position to get the best kind of help available, literally from anyone, anywhere in the world. Very few people have access to the kind of resources that she would and that's only because of her marrying into the royal family.
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Post by HIStoric on May 21, 2021 12:07:20 GMT
Didn't they say the moved to the US because they were tired of publicity in the UK and they want to keep a low profile? Since then they are doing one high profile show after another, including airing their deepest private matters out in the public. I just spent a couple of minutes googling variations of "meghan markle wanted low profile" and I'm not really getting any actual quotes from them saying that. I have heard other people suggest that though (and I know you're good at finding stuff so maybe you will )
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Post by HIStoric on May 21, 2021 12:25:32 GMT
Yeah, I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. Nobody can stop you from getting help if you really want it. Plus she was in a super privileged position to get the best kind of help available, literally from anyone, anywhere in the world. Very few people have access to the kind of resources that she would and that's only because of her marrying into the royal family. Fair enough, I get where you're coming from. I'm not entirely sure where I sit on that because you'd think she could access the very best of mental help services, but beyond a basic recognition that the Royal Family have influence/pressure and absolutely care about their image (which is a conservative one), I'm not sure how they could stop her exactly. Like I can come up with some possibilities in my head, but I don't know the answer to them haha.
Them leaving the royal family so she could get help for her mental health without interference or pressure from them (which the above article says contributed to their decision) could arguably fit within the realm of "getting help if you really want it" though.
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Post by ghost on May 21, 2021 12:58:35 GMT
Didn't they say the moved to the US because they were tired of publicity in the UK and they want to keep a low profile? Since then they are doing one high profile show after another, including airing their deepest private matters out in the public. These two want compassion and privacy for them and themselves only. What they have done to their families' privacy and mental health is considered abhorrent.
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Post by respect77 on May 21, 2021 15:17:49 GMT
Didn't they say the moved to the US because they were tired of publicity in the UK and they want to keep a low profile? Since then they are doing one high profile show after another, including airing their deepest private matters out in the public. I just spent a couple of minutes googling variations of "meghan markle wanted low profile" and I'm not really getting any actual quotes from them saying that. I have heard other people suggest that though (and I know you're good at finding stuff so maybe you will ) To be honest, I'm not that interested in them to spend time on researching their life. They are just not interesting people to me. That's why I asked because I remember seeing headlines in that direction. But I didn't get into it any deeper, so maybe I remember wrong or the headline didn't mirror what they actually said.
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Post by HIStoric on May 21, 2021 16:09:13 GMT
I just spent a couple of minutes googling variations of "meghan markle wanted low profile" and I'm not really getting any actual quotes from them saying that. I have heard other people suggest that though (and I know you're good at finding stuff so maybe you will ) To be honest, I'm not that interested in them to spend time on researching their life. They are just not interesting people to me. That's why I asked because I remember seeing headlines in that direction. But I didn't get into it any deeper, so maybe I remember wrong or the headline didn't mirror what they actually said. Yeah I don't blame you. I wouldn't be surprised if you heard it from someone else, because I too have seen that comment pop up from time to time in comment sections and the like.
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