Seven
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Post by Seven on Oct 31, 2022 2:06:57 GMT
I should have stuck to my guns after seeing LN. It seemed awfully suspicious to me that this cataclysmic documentary would emerge after Michael died and could no longer defend himself or sue for defamation. With his death also goes the possibility of the accusers having an ounce of sympathy for ruining a living man's dignity.
I can see this going on as long as they can drag it out. People that already thought MJ was strange are willing to believe anything negative about him. I believe that was the true reason the initial accusations gained such momentum; he was already made out by the media to be an abnormal, immature, mentally-ill surgery addict. His looks and his behaviour being so unapologetically scrutinized by the media primed the public to believe whatever outrageous nonsense anyone could come up with. The entire debacle lined the pockets of people that weren't even directly involved. MJ was, and continues to be, a cash cow. Fucking depressing.
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Post by ghost on Oct 31, 2022 8:49:50 GMT
I should have stuck to my guns after seeing LN. It seemed awfully suspicious to me that this cataclysmic documentary would emerge after Michael died and could no longer defend himself or sue for defamation. With his death also goes the possibility of the accusers having an ounce of sympathy for ruining a living man's dignity. I can see this going on as long as they can drag it out. People that already thought MJ was strange are willing to believe anything negative about him. I believe that was the true reason the initial accusations gained such momentum; he was already made out by the media to be an abnormal, immature, mentally-ill surgery addict. His looks and his behaviour being so unapologetically scrutinized by the media primed the public to believe whatever outrageous nonsense anyone could come up with. The entire debacle lined the pockets of people that weren't even directly involved. MJ was, and continues to be, a cash cow. Fucking depressing. I'm glad you came to your senses. Can I ask what it was that made you reevaluate what you saw on LN?
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Seven
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Post by Seven on Oct 31, 2022 18:20:19 GMT
I'm glad you came to your senses. Can I ask what it was that made you reevaluate what you saw on LN? I was conflicted in the first place. As a person that was a minor in a relationship with an adult at one point in my life, I didn't want to believe someone would lie about something so serious. I didn't loudly advocate against him but just sort of quietly avoided his music. Honestly it was fairly recently that I came back into the community. I had "you rock my world" stuck in my head and decided to put on the music video for the first time in literal years. It ended up with me watching all the music videos I had more or less avoided since watching LN, and it gave me this nostalgic feeling and made me seek out more music and media. I started getting youtube recommendations, and watched the Oprah interview, again for the first time in years. It reignited my interests and I started seeing footage, photos, and reading more info that wasn't available back when I was originally a fan.
To be fair I think that period of separation allowed me to come back to it with fresh eyes. I was last a huge fan when I was a teenager and it's been over a decade on since then. I have a better understanding of certain things and have new perspective and experience. Before, I didn't really understand the details of the allegations and trials, I just didn't believe he did it. I understand everything on a more fundamental level now.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 31, 2022 19:13:52 GMT
I'm glad you came to your senses. Can I ask what it was that made you reevaluate what you saw on LN? I was conflicted in the first place. As a person that was a minor in a relationship with an adult at one point in my life, I didn't want to believe someone would lie about something so serious. I didn't loudly advocate against him but just sort of quietly avoided his music. Honestly it was fairly recently that I came back into the community. I had "you rock my world" stuck in my head and decided to put on the music video for the first time in literal years. It ended up with me watching all the music videos I had more or less avoided since watching LN, and it gave me this nostalgic feeling and made me seek out more music and media. I started getting youtube recommendations, and watched the Oprah interview, again for the first time in years. It reignited my interests and I started seeing footage, photos, and reading more info that wasn't available back when I was originally a fan. To be fair I think that period of separation allowed me to come back to it with fresh eyes. I was last a huge fan when I was a teenager and it's been over a decade on since then. I have a better understanding of certain things and have new perspective and experience. Before, I didn't really understand the details of the allegations and trials, I just didn't believe he did it. I understand everything on a more fundamental level now. For what it's worth, there are some great resources online which not only combat the narrative set in LN, but completely blow it apart. Our very own respect77 runs a fantastic website answering pretty much any question you could think of pertaining to the allegations against MJ. Check it out: themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com/I think I can speak for almost everybody on this board in saying that we've done our homework with MJ and are not just "fans of the music." Like most MJ fans, I couldn't listen to him if I believed for one second that he was guilty of any misconduct towards a minor. There is no seperating the art from the artist with MJ for many of us. Maybe I could do that with other artists - but not Michael. I encourage anybody who enjoys MJ's music to ask the hard questions and really dig deep, because most of the people who do that, come to the same conclusion: that his accusers have no credibility and that he was completely innocent.
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Post by Seven on Oct 31, 2022 20:42:14 GMT
For what it's worth, there are some great resources online which not only combat the narrative set in LN, but completely blow it apart. Our very own respect77 runs a fantastic website answering pretty much any question you could think of pertaining to the allegations against MJ. Check it out: themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com/I think I can speak for almost everybody on this board in saying that we've done our homework with MJ and are not just "fans of the music." Like most MJ fans, I couldn't listen to him if I believed for one second that he was guilty of any misconduct towards a minor. There is no seperating the art from the artist with MJ for many of us. Maybe I could do that with other artists - but not Michael. I encourage anybody who enjoys MJ's music to ask the hard questions and really dig deep, because most of the people who do that, come to the same conclusion: that his accusers have no credibility and that he was completely innocent. Thank you, this looks like a great resource. I'm definitely more of just a fan of his music at this point, I think. It's part of why I sought out a new forum. I was originally on MJJC way back when, considered logging back in to my old account and picking back up where I left off but meaningful discussion seems to be discouraged on that forum. Plus there's some behaviour of mine on there that I'd rather leave in the past lmao
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 3, 2022 10:41:02 GMT
Sometimes I’m amazed by the amount of misinformation out there. www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/yksd5x/was_michael_jackson_actually_a_pedophile/People under the assumption that Jordan accurately described his penis, which he obviously didn’t because if he did, that would probably be enough to have Michael arrested. A new one I heard in that thread is someone under the impression he had ‘secret bedrooms’ hidden all over Neverland? That’s a new one for me. Where did that one even come from? Why would he need secret bedrooms? People think it’s weird he had an alarm/locks for his bedroom? Like of course he wants privacy for the area he sleeps? Neverland was otherwise pretty open (as he would find by occasionally walking into the overzealous fan in his kitchen) so of course it makes sense his private quarters are alarmed. Do you guys not have alarms and locks for your house, of which are the size of his bedroom? People claiming he only shared a bed with boys, which isn’t the case (I feel I’ve seen a photo that had a girl in it?). Someone saying of the 7 boys they know stayed at Nederland ranch, 5 have come forward with abuse, yet I’m pretty sure quite a few more than that have stayed at the ranch? Or people deciding that Culkin has all the signs of an abuse victim so he must be lying. Like obviously I know there’s a lot of misinformation out there, but sometimes you do put it to the back of your mind, and then you see a thread of shit like that and you’re amazed by all the trash out there. Man it’s annoying that some people will just regurgitate whatever.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 3, 2022 17:10:09 GMT
I'm not in the mood to Reddit idiots about the allegations, but regarding the secret rooms nonsense, it was a media invention. Neverland had these small closets and panic rooms (built by the previous owner) and they acted like it's something sinister or secret. It was neither, of course.
Because tabloids invented this secret rooms myth, Wade and James now used them in their allegations as locations of alleged abuse. Especially James did. Here I address it:
Also, it was so secret that MJ happily posed in it for magazines. SMH.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 3, 2022 17:20:44 GMT
And here's Kelley Parker talking about the "secret room". So secret, so sinister.
As for that 5 out 7 accuse him nonsense. Just from the top of my head those who don't accuse him and we know spent time with him:
Mac Brett Barnes Omar Bhatti Frank Cascio Eddie Cascio Aldo Cascio Jonathan Spence Emmanuel Lewis The German Schleiter family The South African Cohen Family Glenda Stein's son
And I'm sure I forgot a few, plus the kids we don't know about. And I didn't even mention the girls like Nicole Richie, Amy (forgot her surname - the little girl who was on Oprah in 1993), Paris Hilton, Marie-Nicole Cascio, Kelley Parker, Brandi Jackson and so on and so forth.
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 3, 2022 20:47:57 GMT
Thanks for that respect77 , I didn't even realise they were referring to those closets, given a) they're not bedrooms and b) I had already seen those photos years ago so they clearly weren't a secret. And I'm glad you were able to just throw out a whole list off the top of your head of kids who stayed at Neverland but haven't accused him of anything (or even publicly stood up for him). I think normally (as I suppose with any community of millions of people), generally Reddit is pretty good about MJ. He pops up every so often either due to something music related or a post/comment references him, and the sections are pretty good. Sometimes you'll get threads on your feed asking about whether he was guilty/innocent, and I generally find it's a mixed bag so I'll have a read, whereas that post was pretty sided with guilty and I was taken back a bit just by all the misinformation taken as fact in there. Like I said, I know there is a lot out there, but sometimes you do put it to the back of your mind if you haven't seen it for a while and then you see shit like that and you can't help but... ugh. Can always trust on you thought to rock on up with not only the facts, but the receipts
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Post by pg13 on Nov 9, 2022 0:21:49 GMT
And here's Kelley Parker talking about the "secret room". So secret, so sinister. As for that 5 out 7 accuse him nonsense. Just from the top of my head those who don't accuse him and we know spent time with him: Mac Brett Barnes Omar Bhatti Frank Cascio Eddie Cascio Aldo Cascio Jonathan Spence Emmanuel Lewis The German Schleiter family The South African Cohen Family Glenda Stein's son And I'm sure I forgot a few, plus the kids we don't know about. And I didn't even mention the girls like Nicole Richie, Amy (forgot her surname - the little girl who was on Oprah in 1993), Paris Hilton, Marie-Nicole Cascio, Kelley Parker, Brandi Jackson and so on and so forth. Amy Agajanian is the name you were looking for. Michael thanked the Agajanian family in the Dangerous booklet.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 9, 2022 3:21:58 GMT
Yes, her. Thank you.
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 14, 2022 12:58:11 GMT
Love seeing random tweets like this.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Nov 18, 2022 4:11:51 GMT
For what it's worth, there are some great resources online which not only combat the narrative set in LN, but completely blow it apart. Our very own respect77 runs a fantastic website answering pretty much any question you could think of pertaining to the allegations against MJ. Check it out: themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com/I think I can speak for almost everybody on this board in saying that we've done our homework with MJ and are not just "fans of the music." Like most MJ fans, I couldn't listen to him if I believed for one second that he was guilty of any misconduct towards a minor. There is no seperating the art from the artist with MJ for many of us. Maybe I could do that with other artists - but not Michael. I encourage anybody who enjoys MJ's music to ask the hard questions and really dig deep, because most of the people who do that, come to the same conclusion: that his accusers have no credibility and that he was completely innocent. Thank you, this looks like a great resource. I'm definitely more of just a fan of his music at this point, I think. It's part of why I sought out a new forum. I was originally on MJJC way back when, considered logging back in to my old account and picking back up where I left off but meaningful discussion seems to be discouraged on that forum. Plus there's some behaviour of mine on there that I'd rather leave in the past lmao
I left MJJC last year. there's alot unkind, bullies, and jerks on that site. i been on here since last year. it's great. so i think you gonna like this place better.
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Post by MattyJam on Nov 20, 2022 13:48:01 GMT
I recommend this body language video:
I'm usually sceptical about "body language experts" but this guy seems to really know his stuff. He looks for more subtle, less obvious markers in human behaviour. He seems to know very little about MJ or the cases (he'd never even heard of Jordan Chandler for example). He didn't explicity say he believed MJ was innocent, but he has two videos, one analysing MJ's 1996 deposition and another analysing Wade and James's interview with Gayle King. His results are very telling.
Well worth a watch.
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Post by ash on Nov 20, 2022 17:52:08 GMT
As someone that also starts to smile and laugh when I'm uncomfortable, it's always sad to read that most people don't understand this and judge you for that. So comments about this under these body language videos always annoy me. As if everyone acts the same way. The knowledge that I'm acting weird in front of people also puts me under more pressure. So everything gets weirder and weirder.
Imagine the struggle being filmed while you getting asked THESE questions.
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