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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 1, 2019 21:34:48 GMT
Russg, you need to relax a bit mate and exercise common sense. If Michael Jackson was a paedophile we would have known it in 2005. Actually we would have known in 93 when the police ransacked Neverland. I understand your feeling a little uncertain right now possibly due to reading into tabloid media and fake news, possibly family and friends are in your ear with their opinions? The facts are laid out on the table. There is a tearing down of MJ -many of us now believe- to deflect from real paedophiles in Hollywood. There is an attempt to remove his legacy from history because he was the biggest artist of all time and he was a black man. And there's the jealousy and hatred towards him because of his ATV catalog. And then there's all of these leaches who MJ gave them their careers and their vile evil people that want his estates money. And then there's a million other things. Russg, stay away from places like LSA. It's a crap shoot mate. I would advise you to buy the book Conspiracy by Aphrodite Jones and also listen to the Tom Mesereau interview on The MJCast. Both of these are a good starting place if you have doubts about MJ which you obviously do right now. I'm not judging by the way. But you really need to begin your MJ education at this point because it's going to get a whole lot worse in the UK when this "documentary" airs. I know I need to stop reading all this stuff, I’m just so scared about what they’re doing to MJ now and I’m frightened that I was wrong about him. In my heart of hearts I feel like I know he was innocent, and all the accusers seem to have the credibility of a Katie Price novel, but it doesn’t stop me worrying. I feel like it’s worse now than when MJ was alive. I’m not a new fan by any stretch, I lived through the 05 trial, but it was different then. He was around to defend himself and ultimately be vindicated. Now he’s literally without a voice and the media are looking to bury him once and for all. And they want to have the final word in the Michael Jackson story and who is around to challenge it, other than his fanbase who are seen as crazed lunatics by most people. I am so upset about all of this, I physically feel sick most days and there is barely a waking moment of the day when it isn’t occupying my thoughts. It’s the first thing I think about when I wake and the last thing on my mind before I go to bed. I find myself visiting these sites not because I’m looking for bad news, but because I can’t stop thinking about it and I want to know what people are saying about him. I keep holding out for good news, but at this stage only a confession from Jordy Chandler could turn things around for MJ and even then, the media are still going to side with Wade/Safechuck. I get you. I really do. I can only promise and reassure you that there isn’t one single piece of evidence to suggest he ever sexually melosted young boys. It was not who he was. It was not in his heart. He was eccentric, he was different and he was naive because he believed that human beings were good. Your applying a lot of logic to your fears which is how we rationalise things. Apply that same logic to the truth here and stop doubting yourself. A lot of people -through no fault of their own- really believe the allegations because it’s all they know about MJ because of the narrative that’s been painted for the past 25 years. These people exist outside of the fan community and only hear anything about MJ through the mass media. As you say yourself the media are trying to bury him and have the final word. So at the very least you understand logically that this is in fact a lynching, a constant attempt to humiliate and take away from him everything he did and his legacy. It is very upsetting indeed for fans to have tongo through this again and you sound like your experiencing mild panic attack’s and anxiety. You have got to avoid certain aspects of the internet right now for your own well being. They did set up a support thread here and you should use it without fear of being judged. If you don’t feel visiting your GP is necessary I would recommend trying hemp oil or capsules. They are a natural remedy for stress and anxiety and I highly recommend them. They’ve changed my life a whole lot. Keep calm and relax. Most fans are going through it at the moment. Have a little faith and plenty of breaks from the internet aswell.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 2, 2019 2:50:48 GMT
Good interview with Taj.
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Post by Snow White on Feb 2, 2019 3:07:14 GMT
I feel bad for the kids. If many of us feel down, angry and frustrated, they must be having it way worse and that's why it pisses me off some fans are so inconsiderate that they give them more hard time on top of this crap for not going out publicly to defend their dad.
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Post by suzie on Feb 2, 2019 3:48:44 GMT
You need to get out buddy.literally go out for the day away from the net. I did it the other day and it really helps just to step away from the madness knowing the world is going on as normal. The internet can be great but it can also suck you in where you feel you are trapped in this bubble where the only thing happening is horrible negativity. I understand how you feel that at least in 05 mj could defend himself and now there is no one bar very ppl with very little power. It is painful but in the scheme of things look at what was at state in 05 Exactly!
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Post by respect77 on Feb 2, 2019 4:19:24 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Feb 2, 2019 4:45:01 GMT
I feel like it’s worse now than when MJ was alive. I’m not a new fan by any stretch, I lived through the 05 trial, but it was different then. He was around to defend himself and ultimately be vindicated. Now he’s literally without a voice and the media are looking to bury him once and for all. And they want to have the final word in the Michael Jackson story and who is around to challenge it, other than his fanbase who are seen as crazed lunatics by most people. I do agree with you that the fact he is not here makes it more difficult to fight. For his own sake, it is better that he is not here, at least he doesn't have to go through this again (though I don't think Wade and James would have pulled this if he was here), but at the same time with him being a memory, not a real person now, it so much easier for the media and these two frauds to dehumanize him and twist his memory into a monster. There is no real person that would counter that image painted. His memory can be shifted into something he was not. Not to mention the legal aspect that you can't defame the dead, so there is even less protection for MJ now against slander than during his lifetime.
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Post by Snow White on Feb 2, 2019 6:24:55 GMT
It will be interesting to hear Marcos dissecting this crapumentary since he saw it.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 2, 2019 7:01:47 GMT
I feel bad for the kids. If many of us feel down, angry and frustrated, they must be having it way worse and that's why it pisses me off some fans are so inconsiderate that they give them more hard time on top of this crap for not going out publicly to defend their dad. Well I admit it's not fair giving them a hard time, particularly not fair if anyone is rude to them via social media. BUT at the same time, Prince & Paris are adults now. As children raised by MJ it probably just strikes people that MJs nephew is defending him but his own children don't have one word of public support or defence for their dad. I dunno...maybe I am being unfair and they need to do what's right for their own health. I guess I just apply it to myself and cannot imagine being silent and tweeting about California weather or my modelling job, if my dad was going through the ultimate evil to date.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 2, 2019 8:46:02 GMT
Personally i think the kids getting onvolved and speaking out will give reed a wet dream. It will give him even more attention and publicity. he will prob start releasing statements directed to them or tweet them. It will give a sick kick. Yeah id love them to come out and rip one but i think its better not to
Kerry anderson released a great statement.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 2, 2019 11:13:25 GMT
The fans need to be focused and don't expect or demand Prince or Paris to speak out on social media.
It WILL give Robson, Safechuck and Reed even more publicity. The real battleground is on various social media platforms.
Time is NOW to set up your SHORT, concise bullet info. Anticipate anything and everything.
This is a propaganda war, so it makes sense to apply and implement military Counter-Propaganda techniques.
It's not enough to refute point by point. Go after the hearts and minds as well.
Oh, and I got my first challenger who I've dealt with easily. Zero stress. A good dry run for anyone else and I'm getting some things together.
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Post by jaywonder on Feb 2, 2019 12:00:59 GMT
Someone on Twitter made these points and I copy and pasted them (I'll go on Twitter later today and credit her when I see my retweet)
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Post by danm on Feb 2, 2019 12:02:53 GMT
You need to get out buddy.literally go out for the day away from the net. I did it the other day and it really helps just to step away from the madness knowing the world is going on as normal. The internet can be great but it can also suck you in where you feel you are trapped in this bubble where the only thing happening is horrible negativity. I understand how you feel that at least in 05 mj could defend himself and now there is no one bar very ppl with very little power. It is painful but in the scheme of things look at what was at state in 05 Completely agree with this. I spent 24hrs away from MJ fan forums and not read anything about this doc in that time and it did the world of good. We’ve got some downtime now until this airs on tv, after that it will all blow up again. Take advantage of this lull and have a break.
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Post by danm on Feb 2, 2019 12:03:43 GMT
Someone on Twitter made these points and I copy and pasted them (I'll go on Twitter later today and credit her when I see my retweet) Did Wade ever actually claim repressed memories?
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Post by respect77 on Feb 2, 2019 12:32:00 GMT
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 2, 2019 12:50:55 GMT
Frankly it would have been more credible if he had.... and thats saying something
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