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Post by pg13 on Feb 17, 2019 13:09:49 GMT
Just to add to my post there, another passage from the same book talks about the hindsight bias.
And that is very important in understanding how other people respond to the allegations levelled against Michael Jackson.
This paragraph is talking about how historical investigations in Northern Ireland are contaminated by the hindsight bias.
But we also find the same problem in investigations into alleged historical claims of sexual abuse.
It is this hindsight bias that MJ fans will encounter online again and again and again.
If we are to have any hope of countering it successfully, we need to be able to think like them.
As Sun Tzu's Art of War also states:
This also means getting some fans to be better informed, or more specifically it means the ones who are wobbling.
The author whose book I quoted from is a security expert.
I did ask him about this modern phenomenon and mentioned Michael Jackson as well as a couple of other examples.
His response was "We are on the same page. For sure. W".
His expertise and experience is extensive ranging from 30 years in Northern Ireland with the RUC and PSNI.
But also taking in Iraq, Afghanistan, Jordan, Indonesia as well as working with the Pentagon in America on the challenges of policing a conflict.
His articles are published in international journals and he's also lectured around the world.
Dr William Matchett, a fellow Ulsterman from Northern Ireland.
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Post by Snow White on Feb 17, 2019 14:01:53 GMT
Sorry if this was posted already.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 17, 2019 15:11:00 GMT
What happens to the music of R Kelly & MJ? Interesting article...mentions how people are trying to seperate the artist from the alleged crimes, mentions racism, mentions lack of outrage towards Elvis & Bowie for their apparent underage conduct with girls. Obviously I trust MJ is innocent so listening to his music isn't an issue however there ARE some general fair points here. thespinoff.co.nz/music/17-02-2019/what-happens-to-the-music-of-r-kelly-and-michael-jackson/
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Post by Thriller on Feb 17, 2019 16:02:05 GMT
Russg Have you even read Jane Doe's court document? The woman with different stories for not coming forward sooner. She was 'paid to keep quiet' and then claims she was 'threatened' and 'intimidated' into keeping quiet. Then upon reflecting upon the abuse discovered that her health issues were due to it. It's so ridiculous. Three people (James, Wade and Jane Doe), same lawyers, all three had realisations of some sort. What are the chances? Like James she makes MJ out to be the Godfather who somehow would hurt her should she tell. Oh and the old Wade classic of as an adult still thinking they'd go to prison.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:11:44 GMT
Russg Have you even read Jane Doe's court document? The woman with different stories for not coming forward sooner. She was 'paid to keep quiet' and then claims she was 'threatened' and 'intimidated' into keeping quiet. Then upon reflecting upon the abuse discovered that her health issues were due to it. It's so ridiculous. Three people (James, Wade and Jane Doe), same lawyers, all three had realisations of some sort. What are the chances? Like James she makes MJ out to be the Godfather who somehow would hurt her should she tell. Oh and the old Wade classic of as an adult still thinking they'd go to prison. Oh for fuck sake hahahah
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Post by Thriller on Feb 17, 2019 16:37:49 GMT
Another thing I just remembered, in a radio interview back when Jane Doe's allegations first came out her lawyers said:
So here we have another reason for coming forward. She heard several statements from the Estate claiming MJ had never abused any girls and she wanted to 'correct the record on that point'. Well, no such statements were ever made publically by the Estate. More like they went victim fishing and she was all they could find.
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Post by suzie on Feb 17, 2019 17:11:40 GMT
The Jane Doe case is strange and troublesome to me. There are pictures online of two cheques written in 1993, one for $10k, another for $130k. All in all, she claims to have cheques adding up to the value of $900k. Why on earth would MJ have written cheques to a minor for this amount? And then you have this: I know MJ wrote affectionately to a lot of people in his life, but "I'm crazy about you" does sound a lot like something you would say to a lover. That letter looks fake.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 17, 2019 18:34:46 GMT
I don't think it is fake.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 17, 2019 18:39:54 GMT
LMAO.
She doesn't even realize this is what we are shouting from the rooftops. Her source was Victor Gutierrez. The stories are eerily similar. Gutierrez is fiction. Now, do the math!
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 17, 2019 19:13:21 GMT
Wow is that b*&^$ orth still alive.hasnt she some cows blood to bath in
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Post by respect77 on Feb 17, 2019 21:17:35 GMT
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Post by TonyR on Feb 17, 2019 21:31:46 GMT
Playing Devil’s Advocate though, finding people who say Michael never touched them isn’t really a defense. I’m sure there were loads of women and girls that Weinstein, Cosby, Saville never touched. I mean it all helps of course but just because Michael didn’t touch a, b, c etc doesn’t mean he didn’t touch the others.
OBVIOUSLY I don’t think he was guilty of abusing anybody, I’m just saying from a defense perspective does it really help?
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Post by Thriller on Feb 17, 2019 21:34:35 GMT
Playing Devil’s Advocate though, finding people who say Michael never touched them isn’t really a defense. I’m sure there were loads of women and girls that Weinstein, Cosby, Saville never touched. I mean it all helps of course but just because Michael didn’t touch a, b, c etc doesn’t mean he didn’t touch the others. OBVIOUSLY I don’t think he was guilty of abusing anybody, I’m just saying from a defense perspective does it really help? It depends on who it is. For example Brett and Macaulay, to name two, spent more time around him than his accusers. I think respect just posted the video as it's somebody saying they had a positive experience with MJ. Not necessarily as a defence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 21:39:18 GMT
Playing Devil’s Advocate though, finding people who say Michael never touched them isn’t really a defense. I’m sure there were loads of women and girls that Weinstein, Cosby, Saville never touched. I mean it all helps of course but just because Michael didn’t touch a, b, c etc doesn’t mean he didn’t touch the others. OBVIOUSLY I don’t think he was guilty of abusing anybody, I’m just saying from a defense perspective does it really help? Its not a defense, no. But it sure is character re-affirming.
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Post by TonyR on Feb 17, 2019 21:45:06 GMT
Playing Devil’s Advocate though, finding people who say Michael never touched them isn’t really a defense. I’m sure there were loads of women and girls that Weinstein, Cosby, Saville never touched. I mean it all helps of course but just because Michael didn’t touch a, b, c etc doesn’t mean he didn’t touch the others. OBVIOUSLY I don’t think he was guilty of abusing anybody, I’m just saying from a defense perspective does it really help? It depends on who it is. For example Brett and Macaulay, to name two, spent more time around him than his accusers. I think respect just posted the video as it's somebody saying they had a positive experience with MJ. Not necessarily as a defence. I get that, and it wasn’t a dig at Respects post, I wouldn’t do that, but I see it on Twitter a lot and just think if I was in the maybe camp I’m not sure any of that is really a help.
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