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Post by russtcb on Aug 30, 2017 22:30:58 GMT
I always post a birthday message for Michael every year on fb. I literally miss him every day but his birthday and 06/25 are the hardest.
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Post by jaywonder on Sept 3, 2017 2:57:25 GMT
I've been seeing lately "fans" trying to revise history and make Michael things he was not. Sometimes outright lying about things which is complete BS What do you mean? I've seen fans starting to say he was a liar, selfish, and even guilty of the accusations. There's a subsection of fans it seems who are obsessed with the negatives and it just seems lame to me
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Sept 3, 2017 6:48:55 GMT
^ I think they like his music but they can't deal with his 'weirdness'. They are scared that people might judge them for liking him or they simply don't understand MJ and haven't done any good research.
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Post by respect77 on Sept 3, 2017 8:24:02 GMT
I've seen fans starting to say he was a liar, selfish, and even guilty of the accusations. There's a subsection of fans it seems who are obsessed with the negatives and it just seems lame to me Oh I agree about that. I call them "keeping it real" fans, because they love to say they are just "keeping it real" when their version of MJ is anything but real. And I agree with dancingmjsdream it seems like a defense mechanism on their part to show how they are different than "stans" (another thing they like to bring up a lot) and apparently if they would think MJ was a decent, good man (like he actually was) that would endanger them in their mind to look like "stans". So they go lengths to talk crap about him to show off how they are different than stans. I agree it is all about what other people might think about them and I find it lame.
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Post by Snow White on Sept 3, 2017 9:17:31 GMT
^^Are those people who think he was guilty of the accusations but enjoy his music really his fans? They have the same lame arguments or "proof" the haters have but they disgust me and disturb me more than the other because I can't reconcile they claim to enjoy/love his music while believing he was a child abuser. I could never love him and his artistry if I thought he was a criminal but unlike those lame "fans," I bothered to read the court documents, testimony transcripts, etc that support his innocence rather than the opposite.
The other fans who "keep it real" are plain rude and jerks masqueraded as being objective and rational when even them are bias in some way or another.
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Sept 3, 2017 9:48:07 GMT
The other fans who "keep it real" are plain rude and jerks masqueraded as being objective and rational when even them are bias in some way or another. This is something I have seen quite a lot. Haters and the "keeping it real" people are incredibly rude. They insult you for having a different opinion. (I think their favourite word is delusional)
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Post by respect77 on Sept 3, 2017 9:51:35 GMT
^ To be honest I have no patience for anyone who claims to be a "fan" yet spouts tabloid nonsense. Only those can be misled by it who do not have an in-depth knowledge about the actual facts of the case. I can see how a non-fan can be misled, but I think a fan who wants to be opiniated about of these cases should at least inform herself and not just from tabloids. Yes, real research actually takes time and effort, but either say "I don't have the time and I am not interested enough to do that research so I will refrain from saying an opinion" or just do your damn research - and not in tabloids.
Like this person who had the honor of being the first one banned from this forum. You can tell where these people get their information from and for the life of me I will not understand why a "fan" would want to be informed from tabloids instead of doing a real in-depth research. All those years of being a "fan" and you can only still spout misinformed tabloid nonsense? Sorry, I have no patience for such folks.
I also think there is a certain attitude that these "keeping-it-real" type of folks have that to them negative information on someone seems more credible than positive. There is also a kind of jealousy. Like they like MJ's music, can't resist it, nor the fascination with him, but at the same time they want to cut him down to size. Another factor in the mixture is that I realized is that often these people's real problem is with other fans. They hate to see other fans' enthusiasm for MJ and it really is about upsetting other fans for them. I think a lot of haters are coming from this attitude. It's not really about MJ to them, it is a game of upsetting his fans. So I guess there are several attitudes colluding in this "keeping-it-real" stuff.
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Post by jaywonder on Sept 3, 2017 10:17:06 GMT
^ I think they like his music but they can't deal with his 'weirdness'. They are scared that people might judge them for liking him or they simply don't understand MJ and haven't done any good research. One particular person (who was banned from here) isn't scared if people judge her for liking him. In fact, she's quite vocal that she only likes the 1979-1987 stuff (Not a big fan of the Motown catalog and says they can't stomach the later material) and they consistently call him a liar and a crybaby. They also see MJFacts as more objective and honest than fan sites lol
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Post by respect77 on Sept 3, 2017 10:21:08 GMT
^ MJFacts is as "objective" and "honest" as the National Enquirer. LOL. Those are people who actively and knowingly lie if that serves them and hack other people's accounts. And some of them are downright psychotic. And some of them are also toying with sympathizing with real pedophiles. If anyone considers that site as "objective" and not agenda-driven then I don't know what to say about such people's skills in critical thinking. People are not required to believe any fan site. They can do their own research and check for themselves in court papers if those fan sites are telling the truth. The sources are there at the end of every article: themichaeljacksonallegations.com/But like I said above, I think this comes down to a certain attitude of thinking negative information on someone must be more true than exonerating and positive information. These people may already have a prejudice against MJ that they see more confirmed in negative information (even if the negative information is not actually true) than anything positive they might hear about him. They might have the prejudice that MJ must have been a fake because otherwise he would be too good to be true and thinking along those lines about him would endanger them to slip to being seen as "stans".
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Sept 3, 2017 10:26:07 GMT
^^I think it is deeper than that jaywonder. They feel the need to justify why they like him and call themselves fans. The only way to come across as 'neutral' or 'not delusional' is to agree with the negative stories, because if you don't agree with the public perception of MJ you are seen as the weirdo and fanatic. There has to be a reason why they don't like particulary any of his nineties songs (time period were he was perceived as "weird", he bleached his skin, then he's a child molester etc.)
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Post by jaywonder on Sept 3, 2017 11:17:01 GMT
^^I think it is deeper than that jaywonder . They feel the need to justify why they like him and call themselves fans. The only way to come across as 'neutral' or 'not delusional' is to agree with the negative stories, because if you don't agree with the public perception of MJ you are seen as the weirdo and fanatic. There has to be a reason why they don't like particulary any of his nineties songs (time period were he was perceived as "weird", he bleached his skin, then he's a child molester etc.) That's true. All that person does is ramble on an on about his problems and the negative aspects to the point that they and others have said "You can discuss the music for so long" Like..you can't discuss the merits of a catalog that has hundreds of released songs? I just considered them crazy and rude tbh lol
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Sept 3, 2017 11:26:11 GMT
They seem to like talking about his private life and personal problems a lot. I really hate it. I hate the whole negativity and weirdness that is associated with MJ. I have accepted that his legacy will always be tarnished with accusations and tabloid gossip, but I know that there are millions of people out there who know the truth, and even celebrities go all fangirl/fanboy when they talk about MJ. Through us all he will live forever
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Post by jaywonder on Sept 5, 2017 23:42:48 GMT
They seem to like talking about his private life and personal problems a lot. I really hate it. I hate the whole negativity and weirdness that is associated with MJ. I have accepted that his legacy will always be tarnished with accusations and tabloid gossip, but I know that there are millions of people out there who know the truth, and even celebrities go all fangirl/fanboy when they talk about MJ. Through us all he will live forever I do too. I think some people (some who consider themselves fans) are more focused on his life than his work, which honestly doesn't make sense
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Post by kaeleah on Sept 7, 2017 21:32:38 GMT
Ooh Jaywonder...probably not the most tasteful thing in the world to talk about this person behind their back like this, but I gotta say that this person(no names, if you know, you know...) was a pretty toxic influence on me. I found the more I spent chatting with this person, the more I found myself on the defensive, as if thinking Michael was *gasp* a decent, if flawed, human being is such an irrational opinion. They had a sort of "gaslighting" effect on me, causing me to doubt my own beliefs. I finally had to send them a "dear John" message and unfriend them because they just weren't good for me.
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Sept 7, 2017 21:38:17 GMT
^When I got into the MJ fandom,it was pretty devastating to see how much hate he gets. But it doesn't really bother me anymore. I love him and haters can fuck off
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