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Post by TonyR on Dec 5, 2021 19:06:12 GMT
6 from HIStory! Class. Seems like a track list put together by someone who really knows MJ.
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Post by respect77 on Dec 5, 2021 19:25:46 GMT
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Post by amaya on Dec 5, 2021 19:37:05 GMT
Great. Although weird to choose an obscure album track but I guess it'll fit in with the storyline, hopefully it's some sort of reference to blackmail. So glad about this musical, I could never understand negative fan reaction to it. A big budget MJ musical is amazing, especially post LN. Get everyone talking about the music rather than the myth. The writer of the musical said that she believed the allegations made by R&S after LN came out, so the negativity/skepticism all spawned from that. It seems that did not affect this musical at all, though, which is good. I'd like to wait for more details before I jump on a ticket, though.
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Post by TonyR on Dec 5, 2021 20:26:08 GMT
Great. Although weird to choose an obscure album track but I guess it'll fit in with the storyline, hopefully it's some sort of reference to blackmail. So glad about this musical, I could never understand negative fan reaction to it. A big budget MJ musical is amazing, especially post LN. Get everyone talking about the music rather than the myth. The writer of the musical said that she believed the allegations made by R&S after LN came out, so the negativity/skepticism all spawned from that. It seems that did not affect this musical at all, though, which is good. I'd like to wait for more details before I jump on a ticket, though. I know what she said, and it was yet another overreaction from fans who drop something when someone doesn't say things exactly how the 'perfect' fan should act. It was at the height of the LN reaction and whilst she maybe didn't word it perfectly she obviously tried to balance the answer between supporting the project and calling the accusers liars. Although it may be tempting to do the latter, in the real world you can't do that, and if she had the backlash would have probably got the project cancelled and we wouldn't be in the great position of having a fantastic project celebrating Michael going ahead.
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Post by respect77 on Dec 5, 2021 20:40:12 GMT
The writer of the musical said that she believed the allegations made by R&S after LN came out, so the negativity/skepticism all spawned from that. It seems that did not affect this musical at all, though, which is good. I'd like to wait for more details before I jump on a ticket, though. I know what she said, and it was yet another overreaction from fans who drop something when someone doesn't say things exactly how the 'perfect' fan should act. It was at the height of the LN reaction and whilst she maybe didn't word it perfectly she obviously tried to balance the answer between supporting the project and calling the accusers liars. Although it may be tempting to do the latter, in the real world you can't do that, and if she had the backlash would have probably got the project cancelled and we wouldn't be in the great position of having a fantastic project celebrating Michael going ahead. I disagree that it was an overreaction. She straight up said she believed Wade and James. How do you call it an overreaction when fans are upset that someone who's going to write a piece about MJ's life thinks he's guilty of one of the most heinous crimes, the absolutely disgusting things claimed in LN? It wasn't just some wishy-washy "I wasn't in the room" comment. This is "a little bit" worse than just "not being the perfect fan", IMO. I know it's tempting to always bash "crazy fans" but this wasn't that IMO. It was genuinely concerning that someone who believes MJ is guilty is now writing his life story in a highly publicized show. I still side eye what she said and I still don't think this was the only way she could handle that question. She should have never given an interview at the height of the LN nonsense, for a start. It was utterly stupid. And her stupidity is not fans' fault. I still side-eye her and I still have a bitter taste in my mouth about this whole product because of that. If the show is good and eventually will positively contribute to MJ's legacy, then I can get over it, but I still have conflicting feelings about it. I think one can choose to get over her comments and "seperate the art and the artist" (and I mean Nottage here) without being dismissive of fans' (IMO completely justified) feelings about her comments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 21:34:13 GMT
I read an interview and her wording was along the lines of that she found the stories of the accusers to be very believable, which doesn't necessarily mean she believes them. Was there another one?
Anyway now that the musical is here it'd be nice to keep it to the musical and the shows content.
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Post by HIStoric on Dec 5, 2021 21:41:06 GMT
I'm interested in what non-MJ music there was.
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Post by respect77 on Dec 5, 2021 22:10:00 GMT
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Post by TonyR on Dec 5, 2021 22:12:44 GMT
I know what she said, and it was yet another overreaction from fans who drop something when someone doesn't say things exactly how the 'perfect' fan should act. It was at the height of the LN reaction and whilst she maybe didn't word it perfectly she obviously tried to balance the answer between supporting the project and calling the accusers liars. Although it may be tempting to do the latter, in the real world you can't do that, and if she had the backlash would have probably got the project cancelled and we wouldn't be in the great position of having a fantastic project celebrating Michael going ahead. I disagree that it was an overreaction. She straight up said she believed Wade and James. How do you call it an overreaction when fans are upset that someone who's going to write a piece about MJ's life thinks he's guilty of one of the most heinous crimes, the absolutely disgusting things claimed in LN? It wasn't just some wishy-washy "I wasn't in the room" comment. This is "a little bit" worse than just "not being the perfect fan", IMO. I know it's tempting to always bash "crazy fans" but this wasn't that IMO. It was genuinely concerning that someone who believes MJ is guilty is now writing his life story in a highly publicized show. I still side eye what she said and I still don't think this was the only way she could handle that question. She should have never given an interview at the height of the LN nonsense, for a start. It was utterly stupid. And her stupidity is not fans' fault. I still side-eye her and I still have a bitter taste in my mouth about this whole product because of that. If the show is good and eventually will positively contribute to MJ's legacy, then I can get over it, but I still have conflicting feelings about it. I think one can choose to get over her comments and "seperate the art and the artist" (and I mean Nottage here) without being dismissive of fans' (IMO completely justified) feelings about her comments. Maybe I'm wrong. Have you got the quote? The ones I read didn't allude to outright believing them. But something along the lines of being believable.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Dec 5, 2021 22:17:32 GMT
i don't know why but i have a bad feeling about this. something doesn't sit right for me. i'm already not liking some of the costumes.
even if this musical does do good i'm still gonna give the people who believe michael is guilty no free pass until they say what they said about michael is wrong.
but i also hope it does do good because of the media. this is michael legacy and i hope Myles can do it with the fact how young he is to this.
let's see what happen tomorrow. i'm not trying to be an deddie downer i'm just worried.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 22:19:21 GMT
6 from HIStory! Class. Seems like a track list put together by someone who really knows MJ. The inclusion of The Price of Fame is quite a nice surprise.
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Post by respect77 on Dec 5, 2021 22:32:07 GMT
I disagree that it was an overreaction. She straight up said she believed Wade and James. How do you call it an overreaction when fans are upset that someone who's going to write a piece about MJ's life thinks he's guilty of one of the most heinous crimes, the absolutely disgusting things claimed in LN? It wasn't just some wishy-washy "I wasn't in the room" comment. This is "a little bit" worse than just "not being the perfect fan", IMO. I know it's tempting to always bash "crazy fans" but this wasn't that IMO. It was genuinely concerning that someone who believes MJ is guilty is now writing his life story in a highly publicized show. I still side eye what she said and I still don't think this was the only way she could handle that question. She should have never given an interview at the height of the LN nonsense, for a start. It was utterly stupid. And her stupidity is not fans' fault. I still side-eye her and I still have a bitter taste in my mouth about this whole product because of that. If the show is good and eventually will positively contribute to MJ's legacy, then I can get over it, but I still have conflicting feelings about it. I think one can choose to get over her comments and "seperate the art and the artist" (and I mean Nottage here) without being dismissive of fans' (IMO completely justified) feelings about her comments. Maybe I'm wrong. Have you got the quote? The ones I read didn't allude to outright believing them. But something along the lines of being believable. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6938639/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-New-Michael-Jackson-musical-wont-hide-immensely-flawed-human.htmlSo no, I don't think fans were overreacting.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Dec 5, 2021 22:39:57 GMT
fans "overacting" isn't always an bad thing. i just think people are worried and the fact how much michael been through alot it's tiring how things turn into something else.
i pray it does good. that's all i'm hoping for.
also i hope fans be very honest with their reviews and opinions. just don't say they like it because it's michael but story etc.
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Post by aazzaabb on Dec 5, 2021 23:08:05 GMT
I wish I could be excited for this but I guess it’s just not for me. I saw Thriller Live about 14 years ago which was mediocre at best. I saw MJ ONE in Vegas 3 times which was great, partly because it includes actual footage of MJ. Loved seeing Human Nature Bad Tour MJ on the big screen and I viewed the show itself as a sort of dreamscape experience to make certain allowances because if I’m being completely honest there was things I was indifferent to.
Having said that, I hope the show does well because it’s a nice little flying in the face of adversity fuck you to the naysayers and media. I’m not on board with the directors comments at all though and personally have no interest in this. Fans as always will be calling this the greatest thing on earth which is to be expected but I do wish that people review the actual show rather than the one upmanship of the situation.
I’m sure the cast and crew are all talented lovely individuals and I wish them well on the show but it’s just not my scene. I’d prefer to hook up with Respect and her fan group and watch Bad Tour or Moonwalker on a big screen, or go to Brad’s seminar etc.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Dec 5, 2021 23:25:43 GMT
Fans as always will be calling this the greatest thing on earth which is to be expected but I do wish that people review the actual show rather than the one upmanship of the situation. Agree.
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