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Post by MattyJam on Aug 27, 2021 1:22:40 GMT
So we were discussing this over at another forum and someone says:
What a crock of snowflake shit.
Anybody who looks at a picture of a naked baby as anything other than cute is worrisome imo.
I bet the person who wrote that doesn't have a kid, because if he did, he wouldn't be acting so precious. Young kids don't care about that stuff and teaching them that being naked is something to be ashamed of is wrong imo.
A few weeks ago we had a big family BBQ and my son was butt naked playing with a water toy in the garden having the time of his life. He didn't care one jot. Isn't that part of the magic of childhood?
We all filmed and took pictures, it was a cute moment that we all wanted to preserve. People need to stop projecting sick sexual perversions onto kids. To even question if a naked picture of a baby constitutes child pornography is a very sad and depressing sign of the times.
And in terms of a childs "right to privacy", I just think people need to grow up. My parents have a tonne of pictures of me at the beach naked as a kid. It doesn't embarass or worry me in the slightest. Okay, I know the family photo album is a bit different than being plastered on an album cover, but even still, get a grip. It's a naked baby. Most babies look pretty similar, so it really could be anyone. I don't buy for one second this jackass feels any trauma about the Nevermind cover and people need to stop giving these shameless, workshy grifters the benefit of the doubt and start calling them out for what they really are.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 27, 2021 4:05:10 GMT
^ Once again, like Kurt Cobain said: if this offends you, you must be a secret pedophile.
And it's pretty clear that this guy is not offended and not really traumatized by it, he's just trying to make money. I mean how much more clear it can be than from the interview I quoted from him from above? Whether he feels "offended" is heavily linked to whether Nirvana pays attention to his art projects. So gimme a break.
I think when people are so prudish that they make a whoopla about a naked baby photo, that's when they sexualize it in their mind, ironically (hence why that Cobain quote is right). Who in his right mind looks at this photo and thinks of sex and that it's "pornographic"? Only a pedophile. For most people it doesn't have such connotations. It's just a cute baby. And for a pedophile even an underwear catalog that has children or a fashion catalog that has children in bathing suits can be "sexual". You can't control what other people find sexually titilating. If someone is a pervert they might use photos for sexual satisfaction that no normal person would think of sexually.
Most of us have nude childhood pics and none of our parents thought it was wrong to take them (and it wasn't). I too have nude photos from my childhood made by my parents and I'm sure anything sexual didn't even cross their minds. Nor that someone else might find them sexual. Normal people simply don't think that way.
As for consent: whether right or wrong, they are a lot of examples of children's images, likeness, talent being used without consent. If we are so big about children's consent now why is that focused on a nude baby photo while we overlook, for example, that children are worked in the entertainment industry? Can they give consent? Could MJ give consent that he wanted yo grow up working in the entertainment industry since 5 years old? Could Macaulay Culkin give consent that he wanted to be a child movie star? Could Liz Taylor? Shirley Temple? Could any child starring in a movie or an advertisement give consent? And something like that is a much bigger burden on someone's life than being on a photo that was used for an album cover. That photo was taken once. It didn't interfere with having a normal childhood - unless he chose to milk it (which apparently he did). But no one would know it's him if he himself hadn't milked it.
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 27, 2021 5:10:47 GMT
^ Once again, like Kurt Cobain said: if this offends you, you must be a secret pedophile. And it's pretty clear that this guy is not offended and not really traumatized by it, he's just trying to make money. I mean how much more clear it can be than from the interview I quoted from him from above? Whether he feels "offended" is heavily linked to whether Nirvana pays attention to his art projects. So gimme a break. I think when people are so prudish that they make a whoopla about a naked baby photo, that's when they sexualize it in their mind, ironically (hence why that Cobain quote is right). Who in his right mind looks at this photo and thinks of sex and that it's "pornographic"? Only a pedophile. For most people it doesn't have such connotations. It's just a cute baby. And for a pedophile even an underwear catalog that has children or a fashion catalog that has children in bathing suits can be "sexual". You can't control what other people find sexually titilating. If someone is a pervert they might use photos for sexual satisfaction that no normal person would think of sexually. Most of us have nude childhood pics and none of our parents thought it was wrong to take them (and it wasn't). I too have nude photos from my childhood made by my parents and I'm sure anything sexual didn't even cross their minds. Nor that someone else might find them sexual. Normal people simply don't think that way. As for consent: whether right or wrong, they are a lot of examples of children's images, likeness, talent being used without consent. If we are so big about children's consent now why is that focused on a nude baby photo while we overlook, for example, that children are worked in the entertainment industry? Can they give consent? Could MJ give consent that he wanted yo grow up working in the entertainment industry since 5 years old? Could Macaulay Culkin give consent that he wanted to be a child movie star? Could Liz Taylor? Shirley Temple? Could any child starring in a movie or an advertisement give consent? And something like that is a much bigger burden on someone's life than being on a photo that was used for an album cover. That photo was taken once. It didn't interfere with having a normal childhood - unless he chose to milk it (which apparently he did). But no one would know it's him if he himself hadn't milked it. Great point. But when MJ spoke about his painful childhood people rolled their eyes. When he used it as an explanation as to why he was different people sniggered. Social moral panic would have you believe that there is no greater trauma than sexual assault. There are tonnes of everyday things you can go through in childhood which can scar you for life, school bullying, parental fighting, pressure to succeed at exams... these are much more common problems than CSA and kids have literally killed themselves over these things. But we don't refer to these things as "traumas" or seek financial compensation for them. It's a sign of societies obsession with anything sexual that we hold CSA up as the most damaging, life-altering trauma that exists for young people. I was bullied at school, quite severely and it effects my self esteem and social interactions to this day. When I told my school I was getting bullied, one of the teachers literally told me to "sort it out myself." It had a far more traumatising effect on me than my experience of CSA. I don't say that to belittle victims of CSA, but those are my experiences and only I can say how they shaped me. I point it out merely to highlight how nobody seems to give a shit about most child wellfare issues, unless it's related to sexual abuse.
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Post by ghost on Aug 27, 2021 13:27:26 GMT
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 27, 2021 15:02:48 GMT
I love how everyoneโs just taking the shit out of it ๐
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 27, 2021 20:31:18 GMT
Nirvana announcing the 30th anniversary edition:
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Post by TonyR on Aug 29, 2021 10:36:45 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Aug 30, 2021 8:23:22 GMT
Nirvana announcing the 30th anniversary edition: That's quite an improvement on the original! As for that tit: Quite, Michael. Quite. Think you'll also find there's an increasing number of people who regard bullying and the other examples you listed earlier as traumas these days. Hell, a few years ago some tit said I must have been traumatised growing up during the Troubles! Nopity-nope! People have to keep some perspective and remember that not only are some people more resilient than others, but that people really don't experience the same things as trauma. But there is a limit! I greatly disagree with the message teenagers including my now 16 year old get these days. Focus is on perceived offence, perceived trauma and very little on resilience. Perceived is not the same thing as ACTUAL REALITY, but young people are increasingly taught to conflate the two. Wrongly. I'd hate to be a parent of a toddler in an increasingly soft, wokery crap world these days. Christ.....
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Post by respect77 on Aug 30, 2021 9:07:01 GMT
Nirvana announcing the 30th anniversary edition: They should absolutely do this.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Aug 30, 2021 9:34:24 GMT
Nirvana announcing the 30th anniversary edition: They should absolutely do this. It would also make the title even more apt.
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 30, 2021 12:24:46 GMT
Nirvana announcing the 30th anniversary edition: That's quite an improvement on the original! As for that tit: Quite, Michael. Quite. Think you'll also find there's an increasing number of people who regard bullying and the other examples you listed earlier as traumas these days. Hell, a few years ago some tit said I must have been traumatised growing up during the Troubles! Nopity-nope! People have to keep some perspective and remember that not only are some people more resilient than others, but that people really don't experience the same things as trauma. But there is a limit! I greatly disagree with the message teenagers including my now 16 year old get these days. Focus is on perceived offence, perceived trauma and very little on resilience. Perceived is not the same thing as ACTUAL REALITY, but young people are increasingly taught to conflate the two. Wrongly. I'd hate to be a parent of a toddler in an increasingly soft, wokery crap world these days. Christ..... It seems to be an American phenomenon, I blame Oprah and the talkshow culture mixed with the litigation culture - it's made everyone and their mama want to have their own victim story to wear like a badge of honour. And led to a lot of this woke bullshit. I'm afraid my son will think I'm a relic, a dinosaur from a bygone age, when I try to explain to him the fundamental flaws and complete lack of nuance in woke culture. Hopefully by the time he's your kids age, sanity will have prevailed, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by TonyR on Jan 4, 2022 12:56:11 GMT
Case has been dismissed!
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Post by Russg on Jan 4, 2022 16:33:36 GMT
The day he recreated the album cover, as an adult, was the day any arguement of his, became totally void.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 4, 2022 18:54:11 GMT
Good. It was a ridiculous money grab. (Yet another one.)
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 13, 2022 20:42:10 GMT
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