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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 8:38:20 GMT
His personal laptop, which surely has personal photos which may not be backed up. Browsers with passwords/usernames saved. Access to cards, personal details etc.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 30, 2023 8:38:47 GMT
Okay, we haven't stolen someone's property and committed an actual crime, but look at the shocking actions of his estate which have been criminal (literally) over the years. Look at Brad profiting off this stuff in a way I doubt MJ would've endorsed (I certainly don't think MJ recorded this stuff to be shared only at seminars by an engineer). Maybe he didn't want it seen and heard at all, or maybe he wouldn't mind it being out there. Nobody knows for sure. But I guess the point I'm trying to make is, nobody comes out of this looking great. We can go into a whole great discussion about the morality of the posthumous use of an artist's work which would lead beyond Michael Jackson or even just music. But I don't think anything excuses what has happened here. Not in the slightest. And on top of that with the absolutely abhorrent online behavior (bragging, taunting Brad, posting his personal material etc) by these thieves. I disagree with attempts at "both sidesing" this.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 30, 2023 8:40:32 GMT
His personal laptop, which surely has personal photos which may not be backed up. Browsers with passwords/usernames saved. Access to cards, personal details etc. Let's hope he deleted his cookies, lest someone sees his porn history!!! Let's face it, that's the biggy. 😆😆
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 8:43:16 GMT
If some fuckwit stole my laptop I'd want them dead, so all sympathies to Brad on this one. I don't feel any sympathy towards the estate though. His personal laptop, which surely has personal photos which may not be backed up. Browsers with passwords/usernames saved. Access to cards, personal details etc. Let's hope he deleted his cookies, lest someone sees his porn history!!! Let's face it, that's the biggy. 😆😆 It all comes back to WildStyle 's post for me!
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 30, 2023 8:43:57 GMT
Nobody wants "Japanese pensioner gets a spanking from slutty carer!" trending in their name.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 8:49:35 GMT
Nobody wants "Japanese pensioner gets a spanking from slutty carer!" trending in their name. Ah, I get it now
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Post by amaya on Jan 30, 2023 23:55:18 GMT
I really don’t care about this one way or the other (although I do feel bad for Brad, no one should have their property stolen). Fans need to stop being overdramatic about it. Fans on twitter are really comparing this issue to leaving neverland, and talking about how michael’s children will be affected. Going as far as vilifying fans who are listening to the leaks isn’t cool either. It’s basic human nature, it’s out there, people will listen to it. Don’t know if this is true but I heard Brad has recovered the laptop. I’m sure he’ll be fine. There's quite a lot of overdramatics on both sides. I think it's human nature to be curious and listen to the leaks, I don't condemn anyone for that, but it's not okay to trash Brad and blame the victim just to ease your conscience about it. Which is what I have seen by some in the past days (not on this forum). The whole "Brad is the bad guy because he made money of these songs, so it's only a Robin Hood act that he deserves" mindset. There's nothing more overdramatic than these thieves acting like they are some kind of heroes and some actually celebrating them as such. Yeah I'm pretty disgusted by people who are attacking Brad, shaming people for feeling sorry for him. There's a shocking amount of posts on MJJC with such comments and people positively reacting to such posts. Like... do these people really think Brad was like "Mwehehehehe I'm gonna profit off of Michael's name!" when he started these? This is the kind of shit you'd see in other fandoms, not this one. What awful, immature behavior.
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 31, 2023 0:07:03 GMT
There's quite a lot of overdramatics on both sides. I think it's human nature to be curious and listen to the leaks, I don't condemn anyone for that, but it's not okay to trash Brad and blame the victim just to ease your conscience about it. Which is what I have seen by some in the past days (not on this forum). The whole "Brad is the bad guy because he made money of these songs, so it's only a Robin Hood act that he deserves" mindset. There's nothing more overdramatic than these thieves acting like they are some kind of heroes and some actually celebrating them as such. Yeah I'm pretty disgusted by people who are attacking Brad, shaming people for feeling sorry for him. There's a shocking amount of posts on MJJC with such comments and people positively reacting to such posts. Like... do these people really think Brad was like "Mwehehehehe I'm gonna profit off of Michael's name!" when he started these? This is the kind of shit you'd see in other fandoms, not this one. What awful, immature behavior. I see the mj cult is still running and nothing has changed since their mjjforum days
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 31, 2023 0:24:27 GMT
There's quite a lot of overdramatics on both sides. I think it's human nature to be curious and listen to the leaks, I don't condemn anyone for that, but it's not okay to trash Brad and blame the victim just to ease your conscience about it. Which is what I have seen by some in the past days (not on this forum). The whole "Brad is the bad guy because he made money of these songs, so it's only a Robin Hood act that he deserves" mindset. There's nothing more overdramatic than these thieves acting like they are some kind of heroes and some actually celebrating them as such. Yeah I'm pretty disgusted by people who are attacking Brad, shaming people for feeling sorry for him. There's a shocking amount of posts on MJJC with such comments and people positively reacting to such posts. Like... do these people really think Brad was like "Mwehehehehe I'm gonna profit off of Michael's name!" when he started these? This is the kind of shit you'd see in other fandoms, not this one. What awful, immature behavior. Some people just seem so salty towards MJ's collaborators in general. People were hating on Steve Porcaro a while ago as well. IMO it's purely because of entitlement.
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Post by Seven on Jan 31, 2023 4:39:29 GMT
As far as personal property being stolen and sensitive information being vulnerable to a rando with less than pure intentions, I do feel bad for Brad. As far as the leaks go, I don't really care that they're being released. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I really think the MJ files should have been saved on a machine separate from his personal laptop, or on an external hard drive.
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Post by ash on Jan 31, 2023 6:24:43 GMT
but it's okay for Brad to share it at his seminars, amongst people who truly care for MJs artistry. I'm not even paraphrasing - he literally said exactly that. As if some fans have more right to watch this stuff than others? That always bothered me.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 31, 2023 6:50:49 GMT
but it's okay for Brad to share it at his seminars, amongst people who truly care for MJs artistry. I'm not even paraphrasing - he literally said exactly that. As if some fans have more right to watch this stuff than others? That always bothered me. It's not up to Brad that this material couldn't be shared in a more inclusive way to a wider audience, it's because of the Estate. From what I gathered at the seminar Brad was open to collaborate with the Estate with this material (I guess, for example in a documentary) but they simply weren't interested. I'm not rich, but I chose to go to this seminar, when I had the opportunity. Some choose not. On this forum I saw people say they don't think it's worth, so they are not going even if he's in their country. To me it was worth and I never regretted it and as far as I know no one who was there did. Like said before in this thread, it isn't just about listening to unreleased material. Actually that was a small part of it. It was the stories, the anecdotes etc. If this is not worth the money for you, fine, but why trash Brad for something that IMO was one of the most respectful projects since MJ's death in terms of representing his artistry? If you want to blame him by any means, blame him for not guarding that laptop more. I think that's fair criticism.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 31, 2023 6:51:09 GMT
Oh yeah and for the people who saying they are glad the leaks were stolen and that Brad making money off Michael. you pretty much defending the thief. making Brad look like the bad guy. wow. i didn't know people in this community were that dirty. Trust me, I’ve seen a lot of ugly in the fan community over the years, and even bullying other fans for not thinking like them. Glad it’s not like that here I been a fan for years. but i'm new to the online community. i'm one of those fans who didn't have a computer. but like i said i love MJ it's just over the past year i feel more different about this community. it's very sad.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 31, 2023 7:21:06 GMT
I don't know moonstreet personally i just met her months ago but from talking to her she seems like an okay person.
let me point out that whatever you feel about someone doesn't give you the right to harass that person.
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Post by pg13 on Jan 31, 2023 8:35:27 GMT
Well, this thread escalated a bit earlier!
I don't get the impression that Brad Sundberg has been treating ITSWMJ as a business. If he had been, proper security measures would have been in place with respect to the equipment. Especially that laptop.
And you'd logically use a business laptop for the seminars for that reason. Not your personal laptop with personal family photos and details on it. That's not professional.
I get the impression he's been treating paying customers in a very informal way with not much in the way of boundaries. Hence leaving the laptop unattended in the room.
Simple measures and boundaries would have avoided this situation potentially. And that IS fair criticism. Of course, it doesn't mean the theft is justified.
But you lock your cars and homes at night as a preventative measure....don't you?
That's obviously because you know not everyone can be trusted. Same applies with business and personal property.
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