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Post by SoCav on Sept 10, 2024 7:30:08 GMT
Well, having never seen him perform live, I would have preferred the tour/residency. Of course, that's assuming he would have been in good health. Knowing how things unfolded, an album would naturally have been preferable.
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Post by pg13 on Sept 10, 2024 8:18:56 GMT
In that case we’ll have to agree to disagree. I know he’s kind of erratic these days, but people said worse about Michael, so who are we to judge? Antisemitism is a massive problem these days and Michael being linked with Kanye would have inevitably brought up the crap about TDCAU being antisemitic. MJ definitely didn't need any more problems, so I'm glad he never did serious work with Kanye. |
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Post by pg13 on Sept 10, 2024 11:06:03 GMT
I always prefer seeing Michael live on stage over albums.
But if I had a crystal ball back in 2008/09, I'd have opted for an album if it meant he would have lived longer.
Mind you, I did say in 2008 that I'd be amazed if he lived past 50 in a very long discussion with others on the Peter Pan thing. And I never did arrange travel in advance for the 5 TII shows we were to attend from opening night middle second row, I think it was, onwards.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 10, 2024 13:30:43 GMT
I always prefer seeing Michael live on stage over albums. Really? I always felt the opposite. I always felt his studio work improved, was more exciting and interesting and he took more risks throughout 80s and 90s, whereas his live work became stale and safe. |
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 10, 2024 16:24:54 GMT
Watching his live concerts on vhs always got me on a high. I feel I missed out by never seeing him though I had this is it tickets. I can play his music still, but watching his music videos and performances still make me sad
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Post by pg13 on Sept 10, 2024 17:32:09 GMT
I always prefer seeing Michael live on stage over albums. Really? I always felt the opposite. I always felt his studio work improved, was more exciting and interesting and he took more risks throughout 80s and 90s, whereas his live work became stale and safe. Yeah, especially as I lean much more to the visual side of things on an everyday basis. There's just something magic about seeing Michael right there on a stage doing his thing. I remember a fan in King! made the point we don't go to see a live show, we go to encounter the man himself. It's Michael in the flesh I always wanted to experience, so live was the best way. Now, I enjoy and appreciate the albums as much as anyone else, but it was seeing Michael live on the Bad tour on TV that turned me into a massive fan. Go wan, T....you went to Bad, Dangerous & HIStory! 😉 Although he's been gone for 15 years now, I still have the feeling of wanting to see him dance. Nobody else could move like that. I don't get the same magic from the albums which is a very different experience, naturally. I've always loved MJ live from J5 to TII. |
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Post by TonyR on Sept 10, 2024 18:21:54 GMT
Really? I always felt the opposite. I always felt his studio work improved, was more exciting and interesting and he took more risks throughout 80s and 90s, whereas his live work became stale and safe. Yeah, especially as I lean much more to the visual side of things on an everyday basis. There's just something magic about seeing Michael right there on a stage doing his thing. I remember a fan in King! made the point we don't go to see a live show, we go to encounter the man himself. It's Michael in the flesh I always wanted to experience, so live was the best way. Now, I enjoy and appreciate the albums as much as anyone else, but it was seeing Michael live on the Bad tour on TV that turned me into a massive fan. Go wan, T....you went to Bad, Dangerous & HIStory! 😉 Although he's been gone for 15 years now, I still have the feeling of wanting to see him dance. Nobody else could move like that. I don't get the same magic from the albums which is a very different experience, naturally. I've always loved MJ live from J5 to TII. Yes! I did go to all three tours. Didn't realise I'd mentioned that  But what about my thought of how his albums improved, were more daring and exciting whereas his tours progressed very little and rehashed old ideas. I always felt, that despite his quote about feeling at home on stage, he wasn't really bothered and was more creative in the studio. When he said that now infamous clip in Home Movies about hating touring, it made sense to me. I feel he meant that. |
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 10, 2024 19:21:03 GMT
I think he liked the fan aspect and seeing sights while touring. I know I wanted to feel connection and reciprocate how much I love him and him feeling that
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Post by TonyR on Sept 10, 2024 21:11:17 GMT
I think he liked the fan aspect and seeing sights while touring. I know I wanted to feel connection and reciprocate how much I love him and him feeling that Yeah, he definitely loved the adoration and fed off the crowd but post Bad, I never saw any real love of doing it or a desire to impress. I mean, don't get me wrong, the Dangerous show is amazing (lipnsyncing, setlist aside) but nothing he did post Bad Tour ever touched that high. |
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 10, 2024 21:53:39 GMT
I think he liked the fan aspect and seeing sights while touring. I know I wanted to feel connection and reciprocate how much I love him and him feeling that Yeah, he definitely loved the adoration and fed off the crowd but post Bad, I never saw any real love of doing it or a desire to impress. I mean, don't get me wrong, the Dangerous show is amazing (lipnsyncing, setlist aside) but nothing he did post Bad Tour ever touched that high. Yeah his best tour was bad, I like the yokahoma show better than the wembley one though. I have both. I do love dangerous and history too, but the focus was more on the visuals and dancing than the vocals, still well done though dangerous should have included more new music |
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Post by pg13 on Sept 11, 2024 11:53:31 GMT
Yeah, especially as I lean much more to the visual side of things on an everyday basis. There's just something magic about seeing Michael right there on a stage doing his thing. I remember a fan in King! made the point we don't go to see a live show, we go to encounter the man himself. It's Michael in the flesh I always wanted to experience, so live was the best way. Now, I enjoy and appreciate the albums as much as anyone else, but it was seeing Michael live on the Bad tour on TV that turned me into a massive fan. Go wan, T....you went to Bad, Dangerous & HIStory! 😉 Although he's been gone for 15 years now, I still have the feeling of wanting to see him dance. Nobody else could move like that. I don't get the same magic from the albums which is a very different experience, naturally. I've always loved MJ live from J5 to TII. Yes! I did go to all three tours. Didn't realise I'd mentioned that But what about my thought of how his albums improved, were more daring and exciting whereas his tours progressed very little and rehashed old ideas. I always felt, that despite his quote about feeling at home on stage, he wasn't really bothered and was more creative in the studio. When he said that now infamous clip in Home Movies about hating touring, it made sense to me. I feel he meant that. I think it's easier to mix things up creatively with an album than it is to do with a live act like Michael's which requires athleticism in a way most don't. Getting older presents a big challenge to a performer like Michael who was a dancer before he was a singer. All the marks of his brand involved dancing. So, it's really difficult to keep pushing the creative limits of that combined with losing certain attributes over time, e.g. explosive athletic movement. With that in mind, I think you've got a point saying "his tours progressed very little and rehashed old ideas". We know he felt pressure to keep Billie Jean the way everyone remembers it and his 1999 TV Guide interview suggests insecurity about fan reaction. Broadly, i think Michael was right about that and would say it applied to other cultural landmark performances such as TWYMMF, Smooth Criminal and the like. And yet....I find I don't get tired of Billie Jean. No matter how many times I've seen it. Or MITM. But I think he wanted to change things up whilst treating newer generations to an experience of the legend they obviously wanted to see live. IMO, Michael didn't quite manage to find a way to combine the two. We see elements of it in Dangerous, HIStory and This Is It though. But it's difficult to do for whole tours, especially when your mental health has taken quite a battering. He could take his time with albums and do things differently. Even then, he was paying attention to the charts in his absence so he wasn't totally free there. I think in the end the question shouldn't really be on whether he pushed his creative abilities, but should be on whether the end result was something the public enjoyed. They did - albums and live. I think Michael seemed pretty happy on the HIStory tour - smiled a lot and engaged with the audiences more than he'd done before. Sugarfoot said MJ told him that was the tour he was happiest on and I can believe it. Victory - ticket fiasco and he really didn't like the settings. Bad - first tour solo so huge pressure to be absolutely on top of his game every show. Dangerous - fucked in 1993. HIStory - less drama, imo. More changes than in previous even if they were medleys & sets. IMO, there's a difference between Michael loving being on stage/safest place and hating touring. The stage was definitely where he could really be himself without fear of judgement. He was more free there than off. But he disliked touring because of the toll that takes on the body, e.g. sleep disruption due to hopping timezones, etc. Two different things, to me. I'm also finding the live versions of various songs more satisfying than the album versions too. So, another reason I gravitate towards the live over albums. |
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Post by pg13 on Sept 11, 2024 11:57:22 GMT
Michael also wanted the music live to be how the audience remembers it on the record.
Albums - I think some might be thinking of Michael doing more pop/r&b albums too. We know post Invincible Michael spoke about not wanting to do that in future. He wanted to do film scores and classical music.
What kind of album some might have wanted instead of TII is reflective of their own preferences and wants wishlist from Michael.
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 11, 2024 14:01:08 GMT
Michael also wanted the music live to be how the audience remembers it on the record. Albums - I think some might be thinking of Michael doing more pop/r&b albums too. We know post Invincible Michael spoke about not wanting to do that in future. He wanted to do film scores and classical music. What kind of album some might have wanted instead of TII is reflective of their own preferences and wants wishlist from Michael. Well to be fair, he was in the studio sometime before this is it, so it didn’t come from nowhere |
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Post by pg13 on Sept 11, 2024 15:24:22 GMT
Michael also wanted the music live to be how the audience remembers it on the record. Albums - I think some might be thinking of Michael doing more pop/r&b albums too. We know post Invincible Michael spoke about not wanting to do that in future. He wanted to do film scores and classical music. What kind of album some might have wanted instead of TII is reflective of their own preferences and wants wishlist from Michael. Well to be fair, he was in the studio sometime before this is it, so it didn’t come from nowhere Yes, but Michael had no real plan for an album at that point in 2008. Indeed, the plan was to release songs as singles instead and then later compile those as an album. Opposite way round. Yet Michael expressed his true wish to move away from pop/r&b to classical and film scores. He was still planning a classical album of music before he died. |
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 11, 2024 15:28:06 GMT
He would have done such a great job on classical music! He could have even done film scores with those skills
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