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Post by respect77 on Oct 30, 2017 19:08:23 GMT
I do agree with this point. When Elvis died they were entering new territory. The MJ Estate should look at the mistakes that have been made with the catalogue of previous artists and try to mirror those that did well.
Doing well from what perspective though? In terms of income there is no Estate that does better than them, so that might be confirmation to them that they are doing it right (even if not every single project is commercially successful - nor it is for other artists). Branca seems to be very business oriented, so to him probably income is the measure of doing well, not whether hardcore fans are satisfied with the releases or not, nor it is the quality of the projects.
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Post by SoCav on Oct 30, 2017 19:14:23 GMT
I do agree with this point. When Elvis died they were entering new territory. The MJ Estate should look at the mistakes that have been made with the catalogue of previous artists and try to mirror those that did well.
Doing well from what perspective though? In terms of income there is no Estate that does better than them, so that might be confirmation to them that they are doing it right (even if not every single project is commercially successful - nor it is for other artists). Branca seems to be very business oriented, so to him probably income is the measure of doing well, not whether hardcore fans are satisfied with the releases or not, nor it is the quality of the projects. Yes, he is purely focused on the short term dollar, and that's one of the reasons why I don't think he should be in charge of (the creative side of) MJ's Estate.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 30, 2017 19:18:46 GMT
^ Yes, he should definitely realize his limitations and hire some sort of creative directory who actually rates MJ's music as art.
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Post by Snow White on Oct 30, 2017 20:06:24 GMT
Branca and McClain trusted the Cascios amd were duped. And that wouldn't have happened to the Jacksons. Say what you want (and I definitely understand where you're coming from), but there's no way I can see them making that same mistake. That's not to say that they wouldn't have made other mistakes, of course. Also, McClain wasn't duped. He was against the release of the songs. Branca pushed for their release despite his warnings (and those of others working on the project). Even though Cascio/Porte are of course primarily responsible, it irks me a bit when I see fans absolve the executors of all blame. ut that. But they didn't treat Michael like a brother, not even as a human being but their ATM, they just went to see and bothering him to ask for money even in his darker hours, they wouldn't be better. . In regards of the pushing of rhe fake songs , I don't think Branca was the only one responsible, Sony too was pushing them. That's the only point I get why the anti estate people hate Branca and also i can agree the posthumous releases need more an artistic approach and Branca isn't suitable for the artistic aspects of the products.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 20:35:52 GMT
Regardless of what we think of the estate, you have to be proud of that result. No one else is even close. To still be first after 8 years and a series of questionable releases, someone must at least marketing this stuff right.
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 30, 2017 20:45:07 GMT
Doing well from what perspective though? In terms of income there is no Estate that does better than them, so that might be confirmation to them that they are doing it right (even if not every single project is commercially successful - nor it is for other artists). Branca seems to be very business oriented, so to him probably income is the measure of doing well, not whether hardcore fans are satisfied with the releases or not, nor it is the quality of the projects. Yes, he is purely focused on the short term dollar, and that's one of the reasons why I don't think he should be in charge of (the creative side of) MJ's Estate. Yup! Without question! Also, a few key things happened that helped bring in the motherload of cash; This Is It is self explanatory and it was all down to mass interest in the world wanting to see his final hours/performances. Thats all down to Michael and I'm very proud of him for that. The Cirque shows came about from Michael wanting to work with them when he was alive, and the sale of the ATV catalogue which probably had to happen. They need to invest back into him after the first decade and do whatever deals they need to in order to create artistically satisfying projects such as getting the people who worked with MJ on side and acquiring coporation from those that can allow visual and audio material to be released. Bring in a lifelong fan to curate and collect material in the hands of collectors. Instead of cutting people off and saying its illegal, build contacts and invest in acquiring. The guy who's running the Elvis Legacy label has reached out to fans and travelled the globe building relations. You do things the right way, not the highway.
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 30, 2017 20:55:25 GMT
Regardless of what we think of the estate, you have to be proud of that result. No one else is even close. To still be first after 8 years and a series of questionable releases, someone must at least marketing this stuff right. Meh. A lot of the work was done for them by Michael. The Cirque world tour and Vegas show bring in a shed load of cash. I just hope they dont continue down the road of bussiness over art at every given opportunity. Sure, the figures are impressive on paper but they do have the lifes work of the most commercially successful artist in their hands. Its not really down to Branca, it's down to Michael Jackson. Treat the mans legacy with the reverence it deserves.
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Post by SoCav on Oct 30, 2017 21:29:36 GMT
The guy who's running the Elvis Legacy label has reached out to fans and travelled the globe building relations. You do things the right way, not the highway. Yes, Ernst Jørgensen's passion and attention for detail are truly astounding. For anyone interested in getting a sense of how an Estate can also be handled (and why some of us wish MJ's would be treated similarly), I highly recommend this article: www.elvis.com.au/presley/article-atheelvishunter.shtmlWhen some of us harp on about releasing products that focus on MJ's artistry I always get the impression many fellow fans think that's just completely unrealistic, nothing more than the dreams of a few desperate diehard fans. But the Elvis Estate is a real life example of exactly such an approach being carried out successfully. Seriously, if you're in any way interested in this sorta stuff, check the link out.
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Post by ChrisC on Nov 2, 2017 13:39:07 GMT
b) it rubbishes all the 'the Estate has ruined MJ's legacy' crap It doesn't. But it does show they're good at milking. ...OH NO HE DI'INT!
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