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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2018 3:22:53 GMT
Just another proof she's nothing but a hater and a troll. It would be one thing to have doubts about MJs innocence as a fan. It would show ignorance but at least she could still seem like a legit fan but with some doubts. But her constantly going out of her way, looking up fan forums and several FB groups just to trash him and spread her fallacies about the allegations. I'm sorry but that's hater/troll behavior.
ETA: I see on MJ Forever FB group she's pushing the MJ was a narcissist crap. Projecting much? LOL.
She doesn't seem to be the most balanced person. She seems to have issues. and, really, she's no fan. Fans don't constantly seek ways to trash talk MJ in any way they can, even if they may hold some negative views of him. This is someone who focuses ONLY on trashing him and deliberately seeks opportunities to do so. I remember even here, before she totally outed herself as the hater she is, you could already see remarks in her comments that to me seemed like baits. Like she hoped people would bite and so she could use it to take the discourse into a certain direction.
She's a hater, period.
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Post by Snow White on Mar 9, 2018 3:41:21 GMT
I'm glad she's been mostly ignored, there's no use to interact with her if she's not willing to discuss the facts, going in circles and blowing insignificant stuff out of proportion.
She claimed she received treatment but she projects her issues onto MJ even though those have absolutely nothing to do with him. She's a cancer the community should get rid of, I wouldn't mind if that disgusting waste of a human being locked in a psychiatric hospital.
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Post by jaywonder on Mar 9, 2018 4:11:15 GMT
Just another proof she's nothing but a hater and a troll. It would be one thing to have doubts about MJs innocence as a fan. It would show ignorance but at least she could still seem like a legit fan but with some doubts. But her constantly going out of her way, looking up fan forums and several FB groups just to trash him and spread her fallacies about the allegations. I'm sorry but that's hater/troll behavior. ETA: I see on MJ Forever FB group she's pushing the MJ was a narcissist crap. Projecting much? LOL. She doesn't seem to be the most balanced person. She seems to have issues. and, really, she's no fan. Fans don't constantly seek ways to trash talk MJ in any way they can, even if they may hold some negative views of him. This is someone who focuses ONLY on trashing him and deliberately seeks opportunities to do so. I remember even here, before she totally outed herself as the hater she is, you could already see remarks in her comments that to me seemed like baits. Like she hoped people would bite and so she could use it to take the discourse into a certain direction. She's a hater, period. Exactly. She complains about fans yet constantly joins (or tries to join) forums to do....what? observe them? LOL She's a narcissist as she obviously thinks she's smarter and better than the people she's constantly mocking yet goes out of her way to engage with them as if she's one of them. She's a match short of a full stack
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Post by kaeleah on Mar 9, 2018 4:25:31 GMT
*just joined the Rapid Response group just out of curiosity for the "calling out Dani" posts*
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Post by kaeleah on Mar 12, 2018 19:28:29 GMT
Dani's buddy's at it again...
"First off: I notice you spend little time going through the actual allegations of the molestation, the conspiracy charge or the minor allegations (giving alcohol to a minor). You focus instead on alleged background and credibility claims on Janet Arvizo and her family and concludes by that. It sounds like you’re trying to say they have so little credibility that even «proven facts» can be discredited. That background problems proves the 2005 was an extortion attempt?
This is in my opinion a little unfair. Michael Jackson now has 7 allegations of child abuse on him, and staff at Neverland who has witnessed children who has not come forward being molested. Its damning. I could probably make a similar argument based on things like this to simply conclude he’s guilty in 2005 too. However, the story has to be explored in its own right.
Gavin’s fingerprints were found on pornographic magazines in a suitcase in Jackson’s bedroom. He said Jackson wanted him to look through them. In the past Jackson gave him video games, called him for hours at a time and once asked him what his favorite car was. He said his favorite car was a silver Bronco. Guess what Jackson gave a 13 year old boy? His favorite car. I mean «yikes». Who gives expensive cars to children? He also sent a lot of love letters. I think there’s a lot of damning things on MJ. Gavin was through several social workers and psychologists that deemed his story credible. They were the one’s reporting it to the police. Not Gavin. Not his mother.
These things matter. Its difficult to claim it was an extortion attempt since it wasn’t the family that initiated the trial. The mother didn’t even want to testify, and Gavin had to be convinced by the police he did the right thing. The people at the police said if Gavin came forward he might stop other children from being harmed by Jackson. That was the only condition Gavin did it. That sounded right to him. They said he could demand money from Jackson too, but Gavin actually told them he was not interested in money. He just wanted Jackson stopped.
Funny thing with money is: Not only did none in the family every indicate they were interested in Jackson’s money, everyone involved confirmed this, but they even declared several times they didn’t want a dime from him. They also had (and still has) several tabloids and media outlets with 6 digit dollar offers for interviews, documentaries and stories, but they never took a cent, NOTHING AT ALL… and this is a poor family. Jackson however got millions for going on Ed Bradley’s 60 Minutes, and multi-million deals with Fox for the counter-Bashir documentary «Take 2: The Footage You Were Never Meant To See», where the family was forced to be interviewed under a script. If someone was extorting the other part its truly the reverse.
I don’t think Michael Jackson gave money to any of Gavin’s cancer treatment funds. I might be wrong about that, I’d have to double check, but when it happened its my understanding there was other people who helped out financially. Like Louise Palanker and Jamie Masada financially backed Gavin up as friends of the family.
As for the background stuff, I will agree ex-husband David Arvizo was a dubious man. He was very violent to the family that eventually gave him a restraining order. He kept asking people for money and most of the old stories he was involved with NOT Janet. In 2003 Janet Arvizo was dating another man, a major Jay Jackson, and David was out of the picture by the time of the Bashir documentary and everything that allegedly happened after.
The JC Penney case is wildly misunderstood. The guards did beat up the family. Gavin got his hands broken when thrown in the ground, and Star got a pretty strong concussion. Doctor reports confirm this. They threw Janet on the ground, held her down, handcuffed, bruised her, humiliated her and kicked her. Yes, it was based on Gavin running out of the store with two school uniforms they hadn’t paid for. Some of the bruises around Janet's face was because of her husband yes, because he was pissed when they got home he punched her senselessly. At the time she kind of «had to« credit the guards for those bruises too as the family wasn’t ready to reveal there was domestic abuse in the household. When David was removed later Janet did go straight to her insurance company to tell the story that the bruises on her face wasn’t from the guards. The sexual harassment was also likely true since the same guard had other similar allegations against him and lost his job for it eventually.
George Lopez and Jay Leno admitted at the trial the Arvizo's never asked for money. The weird wallet story was connected to David, whatever that was about, and Leno admitted he was just confused why a 13 year old boy wanted to talk to him. He was not «Batman» he explained. He suspected it might have been someone ready to ask for money, but he later realized and admitted that it was not. He was subpoenaed by Mesereau, and didn’t want to be there. Everybody and their dog knows Jay Leno thought Jackson was guilty since he made jokes about Jackson every night on his show. Gavin got in contact with some celebrities because of Jamie Masada who felt sorry for the boy because the doctors said he was soon going to die from his cancer. That was the reason he got into contact with Michael Jackson too. Gavin was a big fan of these people(Leno, Lopez, Chris Rock and MJ) and he wasn’t looking for their money.
Okay, enough for now."
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Post by jaywonder on Mar 12, 2018 20:09:20 GMT
I knew it, he was invited by her. She wanted allies on Max Jax to agree with her since a lot of the members have realized she's full of shit. She gets off on talking BS about Michael Jackson
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Post by Huey on Mar 12, 2018 20:24:07 GMT
Those people are strangely obsessed with Michael Jackson and do the most to ‘rationalize’ their obsession.
If you don’t like a celebrity, the last thing anyone would do is join a forum dedicated to the said celebrity.
It is what any sane and reasonable would have done.
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Post by milo on Mar 12, 2018 21:22:27 GMT
All of this was debunked at the trial in 2005. These idiots keep repeating the prosecution’s version of events that was rejected at the trial.
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Post by kaeleah on Mar 12, 2018 21:39:12 GMT
Anyone else suspect that this new person might be one of the owners of MJFacts. I remember one of the VindicateMJ-type sites speculating a while back that one of them was based in the UK. The whole "researcher" thing seems suspect
I know the repsonse to at least one of their arguments: the porn magazine thing. Wasn't what actually happened that they had the run of Neverland and rummaged through Michael's personal belongings, and ended up finding his personal porn stash on their own, which he tried to take away from them. Wasn't there even something of the prosecution trying to plant fingerprint evidence by letting the Arvizos handle the magazines without gloves? If that's true, well, that's shady as hell, and freaking illegal actually.
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Post by Snow White on Mar 12, 2018 22:05:49 GMT
All of this was debunked at the trial in 2005. These idiots keep repeating the prosecution’s version of events that was rejected at the trial. It goes to show they didn't follow the trial and don't want to accept Tom debunked every single claim presented by the prosecution. Like I said before, there's no use with these people, they just go in circles. No matter how stupid or nonsensical the claims are they will believe what they want believe even if Mez shared the Arvizos to pieces.
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Post by jaywonder on Mar 12, 2018 22:23:44 GMT
All of this was debunked at the trial in 2005. These idiots keep repeating the prosecution’s version of events that was rejected at the trial. That's one of the craziest things. EVERYBODY has said the case barely had a leg to stand on. Even some in the press have admitted that, yet these folks want to rehash and make a weak case look like it actually had merit It's like trying to make a case of "Yeah the sky is blue, but reflecting back, it could be argued that it's orange"
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 13, 2018 1:38:55 GMT
Ah so this is where this is all being discussed. I don't go to maxjax as much anymore due to the weird af vibe I get due to these new posters, and I'm not the only one that is feeling it apparently. It's very uncomfortable tbh, and this new "researcher" gives me bad vibes as well. I don't understand this point of view and the way it's being posted about. I can maybe understand being skeptical but when presented with evidence surely your mind would change. They seem to be hell bent on thinking he was guilty. It's a shame because I used to enjoy maxjax. There's a lot of info buried in that forum that can't really be found anywhere else, I hope the moderators come back on at some point.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 13, 2018 5:19:18 GMT
The "researcher" thing is indeed a giveaway. That's what MJFacts haters call themselves. The MJ has now 7 accusers claim is also a giveaway. In reality he has 6 (Jordan, Jason Francia, Gavin, Wade, Safecuck and Jane Doe - the latter eventually withdrew her complaint). Haters like to round that up to 7 using a phantom victim that probably doesn't even exist (the supposed Brazlian boy). I find it funny how they need to boost their numbers with phantom victims. Why if the existing accusers are so compelling? And they use Jane Doe to boost their numbers but among each other many of them have scepticism about her because she is a woman. And they use Gavin and will argue for him in lame ass comments to outsiders, but among each other many of them actually admit they don't believe Gavin. That's how genuine this all is. Gavin’s fingerprints were found on pornographic magazines in a suitcase in Jackson’s bedroom. He said Jackson wanted him to look through them. In the past Jackson gave him video games, "called him for hours at a time" Of course, they leave out the info that Gavin and his brother admittedly went to MJ's room when MJ was not there. They could find and touch his magazines then. Also, Meserau said that there was one occasion when MJ caught the boys looking at the magazines and took it away from them. Indeed, when you look at Gavin's description of that scene it actually makes more sense as MJ taking away the magazines from them than as grooming. themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2016/12/27/the-changing-content-of-the-allegations-and-contradictions/The prosecution tried to portray their relationship as MJ obsessively calling and going after the Arvizos but the reality is, that even by Gavin's own testimony, it were the Arvizos who were always chasing around MJ, trying to get him call him. Of course, haters won't tell you that. Their strategy is basically to present the prosecution's debunked version of the story as reality. But that's an alternative reality, even if you go by Gavin's own testimonies! So it is funny how they go on about the Bronco, when MJ actually avoided them during those two years. Yes, he boght them a Bronco, a laptop, organized a blood drive for them at Neverland - just to help the family (the family was good at getting benefits for themselves from celebrities, Chris Tucker too hung with them, took them to shopping sprees, was about to lend them his car etc). But MJ never met them during that time, and in fact, Gavin and the Arvizos were complaining about not being able to reach MJ! LOL, sure. Again, lots of omissions here. Just because they say it is not for the money, it doesn't mean it is true. They went to a civil lawyer first. Moreover, they got the same civil lawyer, Larry Feldman, who negotiated the Chandler's 15 million dollar settlement. Way to twist things! No, they couldn't demand money from MJ without going through a criminal trial first. The law changed since 1993 (exactly, because of the Chandler case acc. to Sneddon) so the Arvizos couldn't follow the same strategy as the Chandlers. By 2003 no one could bring a civil lawsuit against someone in a criminal matter without first going through a criminal trial. themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2016/12/27/lawyers-being-hired-and-the-formation-of-the-allegations/Funny, how they use MJ giving them a Bronco as a proof for ulterior motive, but other celeberities giving them gifts, money etc. somehow doesn't show that this was simply a family who somehow ended up with all kinds of gifts from everyone because that's what they did: they asked people for money and gifts. Of course, most people (including MJ) would give them something. Again, that's what the prosecution wants you to believe. The reality is the notion that Janet had nothing to do with the grifting was too debunked at the trial (and also later on when Janet was convicted for welfare fraud). themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2017/05/14/general-credibility-problems-with-the-arvizo-family/themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2017/05/14/general-credibility-problems-with-the-arvizo-family/themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2017/05/14/general-credibility-problems-with-the-arvizo-family/Again, lots of omissions. Why if this is a genuine "researcher". To me it seems like a spin doctor, not a researcher. themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2017/05/14/general-credibility-problems-with-the-arvizo-family/And how does Jay Leno's opinion about MJ matter? He never met MJ and he actually never met Gavin either. Gavin called him and tried to get close to him (that's what they always did with celebrities) but Leno shook him off because he found the whole thing weird. That was his only connection with the case. George Lopez has more connection and I see the hater tries to play down Lopez's experiences with the family. Also playing down the wallet incident as just some "weird" thing, when it was that they accused Lopez of stealing from them (the nerve)! So let's see them. themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2017/05/14/general-credibility-problems-with-the-arvizo-family/There are more stories here about how this family grifted various celebrities: themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2017/05/14/general-credibility-problems-with-the-arvizo-family/
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Post by respect77 on Mar 13, 2018 6:16:26 GMT
Even witnesses close to the prosecution such as Louis Palanker (who later went on to marry prosecutor Ron Zonen) ended up implicating the Arvizos.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 13, 2018 6:24:39 GMT
Chris Tucker.
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