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Post by TonyR on Jun 8, 2018 12:38:42 GMT
^ My Mum is from Dublin, and she left at 11 with her Mum & Dad to come to England. To make matters harder, they are Jewish also, so Irish & Jewish in the 50s onwards has been tough!
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Post by jaywonder on Jun 9, 2018 5:09:28 GMT
^^ jaywonder it's true mate. The Catholic Church has oppressed our people for generations. Physical, Sexual and physiological abuse. And in recent years they've been holding on as tightly as they could; influencing our politics, even controlling what we watched on TV. And they are only one part of our oppression. I actually think our ancestors have more in common with African Americans than most. @snow White to a large extent yes I would agree with you, but the blood of the church still runs through the veins of many of the older generation. You could say they've been institutionalised and been oppressed for so long that they don't know anyother way to be. While our young men were abused by the priests, our young woman were abused by the nuns -the sisters. Pregnant women who bore children out of wedlock were thrown into the Magdalene lundries, sexually abused and forced to give up their kids. The plight of the Irish is a horrendous and sordid history. Coming out of slavery and all the things that entails; robbed, beaten, raped, murdered, the church took grip on a people who were already oppressed. The Great Famine or The Great Hunger or The Great Depression -whatever you want to call it- saw the loss of somewhere between 1 and 2 million people, so the entrails of all of this still runs through the psyche of pretty much every Irish family. Then of course there's The Great Immigration when our people had to leave their country to survive and the treatment around all that; No dogs, No Blacks, No Irish. And from all of that you've got our two biggest epidemics alcoholism and depression, which many believe stem from our history. To touch on any one of these moments in our history wouldn't even tip the surface. OK, I've slightly gone past the initial point and upset myself in the process so I'll have to take a time out. That's why all of the BS happening here in the US is concerning. It's a cycle that has been going on, but people try to brush it aside. You begin to wonder rethink the whole "humanity is more advanced" belief Here's an interesting article www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754Xenophobia, racism, and just all bigotry needs to be confronted. We must learn from the past to be better in the future |
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Post by aazzaabb on Jun 9, 2018 9:27:11 GMT
^^ jaywonder it's true mate. The Catholic Church has oppressed our people for generations. Physical, Sexual and physiological abuse. And in recent years they've been holding on as tightly as they could; influencing our politics, even controlling what we watched on TV. And they are only one part of our oppression. I actually think our ancestors have more in common with African Americans than most. @snow White to a large extent yes I would agree with you, but the blood of the church still runs through the veins of many of the older generation. You could say they've been institutionalised and been oppressed for so long that they don't know anyother way to be. While our young men were abused by the priests, our young woman were abused by the nuns -the sisters. Pregnant women who bore children out of wedlock were thrown into the Magdalene lundries, sexually abused and forced to give up their kids. The plight of the Irish is a horrendous and sordid history. Coming out of slavery and all the things that entails; robbed, beaten, raped, murdered, the church took grip on a people who were already oppressed. The Great Famine or The Great Hunger or The Great Depression -whatever you want to call it- saw the loss of somewhere between 1 and 2 million people, so the entrails of all of this still runs through the psyche of pretty much every Irish family. Then of course there's The Great Immigration when our people had to leave their country to survive and the treatment around all that; No dogs, No Blacks, No Irish. And from all of that you've got our two biggest epidemics alcoholism and depression, which many believe stem from our history. To touch on any one of these moments in our history wouldn't even tip the surface. OK, I've slightly gone past the initial point and upset myself in the process so I'll have to take a time out. That's why all of the BS happening here in the US is concerning. It's a cycle that has been going on, but people try to brush it aside. You begin to wonder rethink the whole "humanity is more advanced" belief Here's an interesting article www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754Xenophobia, racism, and just all bigotry needs to be confronted. We must learn from the past to be better in the future Amen Bro! I completely agree with you mate, and we've spoken before about how you've feared leaving your home when innocent black people have been shot. That is a very hard reality to live in and frightening. It sickens me that those cops walked away free from those crimes. It's just so wrong it's passed being wrong, it's deranged, and "the laws" that these cowards hide behind, and the judge's and courts are all sorts of corrupt and morally bankrupt. I watched a video recently of a guy who was a neo nazi during his formative years -a guy named Christian Picciolini- and I would really encourage anyone to watch it. I can't work out how to share video's on forums with my phone -I'm a cluts when it comes to tech-, but I always believe that most human beings are just a product of their upbringing and can be reached through compassion and understanding, and if we can reach out to them through talking and education and meeting at some point where both sides -I hate saying sides-, find a middle ground to begin talking, then that's a start. Of course certain people can never be reached, but all most human beings want is a sense of belonging and purpose surely. I get the whole no tolerance thing for individuals who are evil and there's really no hope for and who simply don't want to change, who don't want resolution and equality and peace in the world, but when someone says something ignorant or uneducated or stupid and you get a sense that this person isn't evil, that they just may be misinformed, mentally unbalanced etc, then surely we need to offer these people an olive branch, a lifeline, and show them there's another way and another side to what their saying. Anyway, I think you get what I'm getting at also and thanks for reaching out. Don't think I haven't noticed because I have and I always appreciate people who can meet at a point of understanding and move forward from there as opposed to 'I disagree with you, you are completely wrong, I don't get you, I don't hear you, I don't want to view it from another perspective'. Peace bro. |
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Post by jaywonder on Jun 10, 2018 0:32:30 GMT
That's why all of the BS happening here in the US is concerning. It's a cycle that has been going on, but people try to brush it aside. You begin to wonder rethink the whole "humanity is more advanced" belief Here's an interesting article www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754Xenophobia, racism, and just all bigotry needs to be confronted. We must learn from the past to be better in the future Amen Bro! I completely agree with you mate, and we've spoken before about how you've feared leaving your home when innocent black people have been shot. That is a very hard reality to live in and frightening. It sickens me that those cops walked away free from those crimes. It's just so wrong it's passed being wrong, it's deranged, and "the laws" that these cowards hide behind, and the judge's and courts are all sorts of corrupt and morally bankrupt. I watched a video recently of a guy who was a neo nazi during his formative years -a guy named Christian Picciolini- and I would really encourage anyone to watch it. I can't work out how to share video's on forums with my phone -I'm a cluts when it comes to tech-, but I always believe that most human beings are just a product of their upbringing and can be reached through compassion and understanding, and if we can reach out to them through talking and education and meeting at some point where both sides -I hate saying sides-, find a middle ground to begin talking, then that's a start. Of course certain people can never be reached, but all most human beings want is a sense of belonging and purpose surely. I get the whole no tolerance thing for individuals who are evil and there's really no hope for and who simply don't want to change, who don't want resolution and equality and peace in the world, but when someone says something ignorant or uneducated or stupid and you get a sense that this person isn't evil, that they just may be misinformed, mentally unbalanced etc, then surely we need to offer these people an olive branch, a lifeline, and show them there's another way and another side to what their saying. Anyway, I think you get what I'm getting at also and thanks for reaching out. Don't think I haven't noticed because I have and I always appreciate people who can meet at a point of understanding and move forward from there as opposed to 'I disagree with you, you are completely wrong, I don't get you, I don't hear you, I don't want to view it from another perspective'. Peace bro. Have you heard about the recent incident where a woman sued the police department because her husband was murdered (unarmed, wasn't resisting) and the jury awarded her FOUR DOLLARS? Yeah, I'm good with being in the house with my video games and streaming video services Shit is crazy, man |
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Post by aazzaabb on Jun 10, 2018 20:08:59 GMT
Amen Bro! I completely agree with you mate, and we've spoken before about how you've feared leaving your home when innocent black people have been shot. That is a very hard reality to live in and frightening. It sickens me that those cops walked away free from those crimes. It's just so wrong it's passed being wrong, it's deranged, and "the laws" that these cowards hide behind, and the judge's and courts are all sorts of corrupt and morally bankrupt. I watched a video recently of a guy who was a neo nazi during his formative years -a guy named Christian Picciolini- and I would really encourage anyone to watch it. I can't work out how to share video's on forums with my phone -I'm a cluts when it comes to tech-, but I always believe that most human beings are just a product of their upbringing and can be reached through compassion and understanding, and if we can reach out to them through talking and education and meeting at some point where both sides -I hate saying sides-, find a middle ground to begin talking, then that's a start. Of course certain people can never be reached, but all most human beings want is a sense of belonging and purpose surely. I get the whole no tolerance thing for individuals who are evil and there's really no hope for and who simply don't want to change, who don't want resolution and equality and peace in the world, but when someone says something ignorant or uneducated or stupid and you get a sense that this person isn't evil, that they just may be misinformed, mentally unbalanced etc, then surely we need to offer these people an olive branch, a lifeline, and show them there's another way and another side to what their saying. Anyway, I think you get what I'm getting at also and thanks for reaching out. Don't think I haven't noticed because I have and I always appreciate people who can meet at a point of understanding and move forward from there as opposed to 'I disagree with you, you are completely wrong, I don't get you, I don't hear you, I don't want to view it from another perspective'. Peace bro. Have you heard about the recent incident where a woman sued the police department because her husband was murdered (unarmed, wasn't resisting) and the jury awarded her FOUR DOLLARS? Yeah, I'm good with being in the house with my video games and streaming video services Shit is crazy, man My god! 4 dollars??! What an insult to that poor woman and her husband's memory. Jay, this world is crazy man. It's 1 step forward and 100 steps backwards. |
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Post by jaywonder on Jun 11, 2018 3:46:07 GMT
Have you heard about the recent incident where a woman sued the police department because her husband was murdered (unarmed, wasn't resisting) and the jury awarded her FOUR DOLLARS? Yeah, I'm good with being in the house with my video games and streaming video services Shit is crazy, man My god! 4 dollars??! What an insult to that poor woman and her husband's memory. Jay, this world is crazy man. It's 1 step forward and 100 steps backwards. Did the Trayvon Martin murder trial make news over there? The press here made him out to be this thug and troublemaker yet his murderer, George Zimmerman has been in trouble constantly since his acquittal smh |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 0:06:21 GMT
I have significant Irish ancestry on my mother side (My DNA chart said 44%) and people say I look Irish (Think Peter Griffin with bigger lips) and are also "blessed" with the requisite Roman Catholic religion (Completely lapsed thanks to being a screaming queen - even if Francis is telling me its okay and he loves me anyway).
I have always felt strongly that abortion is a womans choice and it is not murder, you are removing a embryo or a very young foetus in most cases (Should be done in the first trimester, after that it is murder). I also think that if a woman had been raped or threatened, is ill or about to give birth to a profoundly handicapped child, she should be allowed to abort, especially if she does not have the resources to raise a special needs child. My Mum actually marched in abortion rallies of the 70s and faced shit from her own family (One sister is a basic BBQ catholic, Mum had an IQ of 120, this sister has an IQ of about 80 and is as basic as they come).
I am glad Ireland has proven its open mindedness and moved on from the Angelas Ashes era of the 1950s where the church controlled everything and most people lived in stinking horrible misery because of it. This is the same country now that has same sex marriage and celebrates homosexuals, we can march the O'mosexuals and the James who are also Joyces in the Parades now. Ireland needs to be congratualted and they are showing up the north with its dated and hate filled stale Presbyterian sentiment. All of the Northern Irtish politicians are hypocrites, including the 30 stone Ross Hussey who is ultra conservative and yet was caught trolling for gay sex in hotels in July 2016.
And before anyone asks, my fathers ancestry makes the Irish side shine like gold. Native Maori a group of people known for being poor and stupid violent thugs even now. I love my background and it does not help that he was a wife beater and a hopeless druggie (Part of the reason my Mum supported abortion, as his family had people shooting out baby after baby, because they did not believe in birth control).
I also applaud the Irish for the progress they have made on the world stage, most of the finest EU diplomats are Irish, it is acountry with many fine universities and scientists. Irish represent many companies, CEOs and educated people, even after their recession, their average income and standard of living is MUCH higher than the UK (Avg income $49k vs $37k), yet 150 years ago we were labelled as brainless, drunken and violent layabouts. In NZ and Australia, the Irish were the criminals, servants, assisted labourers, navvies and people who did all the dog work, my ancestors suffered all sorts of discrimination because they were Celtic and Catholic.
My 3 greats grandparents were both illiterate and he was a labourer all his life, yet his two sons were both educated through to high school (Rare in 1896) and one had such a successful farm when he died he left £12,000 to build a Catholic Basilica in the town of Ashburton, yet his hometown of Leetson banned Catholics and the Irish unless they were Anglican and landowners. The Irish lived in a nearby swamp called Doyleston. In Christchurch, NZ the Anglican cathedral was grand and sat in the middle of the city, the Catholic one was in a working class slum called Linwood.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 0:33:51 GMT
Finally, I must say that the UK must be embarassed with Northern Ireland, I think it is still illegal to even be gay there. No abortion and they force orange parades to march through Catholic areas.
Plus has anyone notoiced how whenever it is in the news, it is always cloudy, raining or snowing in Northern Ireland, do they ever have the sun there. Even in July it is cloud all day.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 17, 2018 9:32:55 GMT
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Post by bedroom on Jul 9, 2018 20:36:45 GMT
I support women's right to choose. But I only came to say that Irish men are hot!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 10:13:54 GMT
^^aazzaabb and innuendo could correct me if I have the wrong perception but the Church has lost its power in a great extent compared with what it used to have in the past century. The Magdalene laundries were shot down in 1996, the Irish clergy don't have the same power over children for obvious reasons and don't have the same influence to decide over political and social issues in the society. The Church is still a powerful entity in the former colonies Europe used to have. You'd think so, but a lot of primary schools are still influenced by the Catholic Church, preferring to take in children that have been baptised as opposed to those who haven't. We still have an anti-blasphemy law in Ireland. The last 2 referendums have shown a massive swing to the other side of the pendalum against the Catholic Church, but it still has a death grip on it's last bit of power/sway it has. |
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Post by pg13 on Jan 22, 2019 17:50:31 GMT
I have significant Irish ancestry on my mother side (My DNA chart said 44%) and people say I look Irish (Think Peter Griffin with bigger lips) and are also "blessed" with the requisite Roman Catholic religion (Completely lapsed thanks to being a screaming queen - even if Francis is telling me its okay and he loves me anyway). I have always felt strongly that abortion is a womans choice and it is not murder, you are removing a embryo or a very young foetus in most cases (Should be done in the first trimester, after that it is murder). I also think that if a woman had been raped or threatened, is ill or about to give birth to a profoundly handicapped child, she should be allowed to abort, especially if she does not have the resources to raise a special needs child. My Mum actually marched in abortion rallies of the 70s and faced shit from her own family (One sister is a basic BBQ catholic, Mum had an IQ of 120, this sister has an IQ of about 80 and is as basic as they come). I am glad Ireland has proven its open mindedness and moved on from the Angelas Ashes era of the 1950s where the church controlled everything and most people lived in stinking horrible misery because of it. This is the same country now that has same sex marriage and celebrates homosexuals, we can march the O'mosexuals and the James who are also Joyces in the Parades now. Ireland needs to be congratualted and they are showing up the north with its dated and hate filled stale Presbyterian sentiment. All of the Northern Irtish politicians are hypocrites, including the 30 stone Ross Hussey who is ultra conservative and yet was caught trolling for gay sex in hotels in July 2016. And before anyone asks, my fathers ancestry makes the Irish side shine like gold. Native Maori a group of people known for being poor and stupid violent thugs even now. I love my background and it does not help that he was a wife beater and a hopeless druggie (Part of the reason my Mum supported abortion, as his family had people shooting out baby after baby, because they did not believe in birth control). I also applaud the Irish for the progress they have made on the world stage, most of the finest EU diplomats are Irish, it is acountry with many fine universities and scientists. Irish represent many companies, CEOs and educated people, even after their recession, their average income and standard of living is MUCH higher than the UK (Avg income $49k vs $37k), yet 150 years ago we were labelled as brainless, drunken and violent layabouts. In NZ and Australia, the Irish were the criminals, servants, assisted labourers, navvies and people who did all the dog work, my ancestors suffered all sorts of discrimination because they were Celtic and Catholic. My 3 greats grandparents were both illiterate and he was a labourer all his life, yet his two sons were both educated through to high school (Rare in 1896) and one had such a successful farm when he died he left £12,000 to build a Catholic Basilica in the town of Ashburton, yet his hometown of Leetson banned Catholics and the Irish unless they were Anglican and landowners. The Irish lived in a nearby swamp called Doyleston. In Christchurch, NZ the Anglican cathedral was grand and sat in the middle of the city, the Catholic one was in a working class slum called Linwood. Nobody "looks Irish"! What an odd concept! They're indistinguishable from people in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Whether you like it or not, the Irish are very CLOSELY related to people in the UK. Not all Northern Irish politicians are hypocrites, but there are some, yes. Just like anywhere, really. The Irish are NOT even Celtic in terms of ancestry either. Ancestry is actually Basques from northern Spain. You sound very ignorant about Northern Ireland. It was a Northern Irish scientist who created the portable defibrillator that now saves lives in various countries around the world. It was a Northern Irishman who developed the pneumatic tyre used all around the world and developed on the Scottish idea (made it better). It was a Northern Irishman who came up with the tractor trailer mechanism which helped agriculture in a big way. Northern Irish scientists were involved in the creation of viagra which helps millions of men around the world with erectile dysfunction. And so on. Here's a list of famous Northern Ireland inventions: www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/history/20-brilliant-inventions-northern-ireland-13369214Not only does the UK protect the skies above the Republic of Ireland with the RAF, but the British taxpayers were instrumental in bailing out the Republic of Ireland when the Celtic Tiger crashed. The facts also tell us that the UK is a more affordable, better value for money place to live in than the Republic of Ireland: "Weighing up the cost of living in London versus Dublin does depend on your income, rental prices and expenses. However, those who have made the move across the water agree that London offers more affordable luxuries." www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/life-in-uk-vs-life-in-ireland-which-is-cheaper-1.3204869Check out the breakdown in numbers: www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=IrelandJust more anti-British, anti-Northern Ireland rubbish on account of some claimed 44% Irish ancestry! Lol! There's a term for that - Plastic Paddy. What raises the eyebrows more is that you appear to come from and/or live in New Zealand. Yet seem quite bitter towards Protestants. "Over 80% of all Irish migrants to New Zealand either originated from Ulster or Munster. From the early 1850s Ulster accounted for over 40% of annual Irish migration to New Zealand but by the 1890s Ulster accounted for over 50% of migrants from Ireland." www.newsletter.co.uk/whats-on/arts/how-ulster-emigrants-made-an-impact-on-nz-1-5084292And that means a very significant Northern Irish heritage for many in New Zealand. You've a bizarre view of being Irish - Catholicism ISN'T a prerequisite for it nor are Catholics more Irish. You know, Arthur Guinness (yes, creator of the black stuff) was a Protestant from Dublin. So was Edward Carson who was the QC in the Oscar Wilde trial as well as the leader of the Ulster Unionists. Finally, I must say that the UK must be embarassed with Northern Ireland, I think it is still illegal to even be gay there. No abortion and they force orange parades to march through Catholic areas. Plus has anyone notoiced how whenever it is in the news, it is always cloudy, raining or snowing in Northern Ireland, do they ever have the sun there. Even in July it is cloud all day. Yep, you really do come across as being bigoted towards Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland decriminalised homosexuality in 1982 at a time when the Troubles was still going on. The Republic of Ireland didn't get round to decriminalising homosexuality until 1993! And they didn't have the socio-political upheaval we in Northern Ireland had. It's a MYTH that abortion is completely illegal in Northern Ireland. It's legal in limited circumstances - threat to life of the mother, for example. The Republic of Ireland had the same law until very recently. Orange parades? Bloody hell, these generally pass off very peacefully without much event these days. They're legal, according to the Parades Commission via the Belfast Agreement aka the Good Friday Agreement. Meanwhile, the Republicans flout the law and hold paramilitary parades despite the Parades Commission stating it's illegal. The Parades Commission is the authority on this and the PSNI enforce the law. Finally, the Republic of Ireland has the same weather as Northern Ireland. Both of these have the same weather as England, Scotland and Wales. As I said, you have some silly ideas. |
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Post by pg13 on Jan 26, 2019 10:14:56 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Jan 28, 2019 14:07:36 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Feb 11, 2019 14:21:12 GMT
^^ jaywonder it's true mate. The Catholic Church has oppressed our people for generations. Physical, Sexual and physiological abuse. And in recent years they've been holding on as tightly as they could; influencing our politics, even controlling what we watched on TV. And they are only one part of our oppression. I actually think our ancestors have more in common with African Americans than most. @snow White to a large extent yes I would agree with you, but the blood of the church still runs through the veins of many of the older generation. You could say they've been institutionalised and been oppressed for so long that they don't know anyother way to be. While our young men were abused by the priests, our young woman were abused by the nuns -the sisters. Pregnant women who bore children out of wedlock were thrown into the Magdalene lundries, sexually abused and forced to give up their kids. The plight of the Irish is a horrendous and sordid history. Coming out of slavery and all the things that entails; robbed, beaten, raped, murdered, the church took grip on a people who were already oppressed. The Great Famine or The Great Hunger or The Great Depression -whatever you want to call it- saw the loss of somewhere between 1 and 2 million people, so the entrails of all of this still runs through the psyche of pretty much every Irish family. Then of course there's The Great Immigration when our people had to leave their country to survive and the treatment around all that; No dogs, No Blacks, No Irish. And from all of that you've got our two biggest epidemics alcoholism and depression, which many believe stem from our history. To touch on any one of these moments in our history wouldn't even tip the surface. OK, I've slightly gone past the initial point and upset myself in the process so I'll have to take a time out. The people of the island of Ireland were certainly never slaves at any time during the Atlantic Slave Trade. That's been debunked several times: apnews.com/920e1c738df04555bccd56c09770b36dIf it was true, those militant Republicans Sinn Fein would have really publicised it to a great extent. Certainly would have painted it onto wall murals in Belfast and Londonderry. Yet the irony is that Sinn Fein is very fond of trying to use imagery such as chains to push a narrative of the Irish as the most oppressed people ever aka MOPE. Whilst deliberately cutting out inconvenient facts such as how the Irish actually invaded England first and took people there back to the island of Ireland as slaves. That's right, England didn't mount any invasion until centuries later. The most famous example of an Irish owned slave is St Patrick with whom many myths are attached. For one thing, he didn't travel all across the island. Unfortunately, beginning in America from the 1840s onwards, militant Republicans began to portray Patrick as a Republican. He was nothing of the sort. Certainly wasn't Catholic or Protestant. Patrick was British and stated his country was Great Britainnae in his Confessio. Naturally, Republicans like to portray the Great Famine as "genocide" which is very far of the mark. Alcoholism on the island of Ireland isn't even explained by history either. The UK level of drinking alcohol is just a little bit less than the Republic of Ireland's. Indeed, France drinks more alcohol than the UK and Republic of Ireland. I do not see anyone claiming this is due to history. Certainly, the Republic of Ireland is not in the top ten of heaviest drinking nations. Nine places in this top ten are all Eastern European with Andorra being the only Western European country in it. Genetics is a more likely explanation for it. After all, the Irish are actually very, very closely related to the British. Much to the chagrin of Sinn Fein Republicans. Even the "No blacks, no dogs, no Irish" signs did not actually suggest something like the same reasons between all three groups. Some context is required for this, but the nutshell version is that black people were discriminated against on racial grounds, but Irish people were not. It was the common behaviour of young Irish lads moving to Great Britain for work and drinking copious amounts of alcohol which led to breakages in the B&Bs they stayed in that led to their inclusion on such signs. Often, their drunken behaviour put other boarders off staying in a B&B which were run by women in the post-war years. These Irish lads would simply find another place to board. A more likely sign to see was "No coloureds". No mention of dogs or Irish. And none of these signs even existed for long anyway as the 1964 Race Act made them illegal whatever the reason. Ancestors of people of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland do NOT have more in common with those of African Americans than most. Although Sinn Fein likes to spread this propaganda around in an attempt to justify the atrocities of PIRA. That simply doesn't jive. If anything, they have more in common with the British and other Europeans. |
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