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Post by respect77 on Aug 14, 2018 19:15:19 GMT
That's only if you think money is the only thing that one needs in life to be happy. I think she would have given all her money to not lose her father the way she did, for one. Then instead of being sent to therapy she was put into a Scientology school. Her relationship with her mother growing up wasn't the best either, to say the least. And so on and so forth. I'm always amazed at this idea that rich people don't have the right to be unhappy or depressed or aren't deserving of empathy. When you have money what else do you need in life, right? I never said that money is all you need to bring you happiness. But she has squandered an obscene amount of money that she inherited and didn't even have to work for. The trouble is with someone like LMP or probably MJ's kids, is that none of them will ever be made to do anything they don't want to do, for the sake of money. As human beings, we think we know what we want, but often what we think we want is not actually what is good for us. Sometimes being made to do something you don't want to do (which most of the working population experiences) is actually good for us and builds strength of character and resilience.
I wouldn't trade my life for LMP's or PPB's, despite all their money and opportunities. But it is hard to feel sympathy for anybody in a privileged position who just pisses it all away, especially when there are kids in this world who don't have enough to eat.
JMO.
I guess now I understand the root of your disdain for Paris as well. I noticed that the same people tend to dislike her and LMP.
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Post by Russg on Aug 14, 2018 21:22:46 GMT
I never said that money is all you need to bring you happiness. But she has squandered an obscene amount of money that she inherited and didn't even have to work for. The trouble is with someone like LMP or probably MJ's kids, is that none of them will ever be made to do anything they don't want to do, for the sake of money. As human beings, we think we know what we want, but often what we think we want is not actually what is good for us. Sometimes being made to do something you don't want to do (which most of the working population experiences) is actually good for us and builds strength of character and resilience.
I wouldn't trade my life for LMP's or PPB's, despite all their money and opportunities. But it is hard to feel sympathy for anybody in a privileged position who just pisses it all away, especially when there are kids in this world who don't have enough to eat.
JMO.
I guess now I understand the root of your disdain for Paris as well. I noticed that the same people tend to dislike her and LMP. I don't have disdain for Paris, I just dislike the trashy way she presents herself. She seems like a sweet girl at heart, who could very easily be led astray. I don't think LMP has many redeeming or particularly likeable personality traits, at least that she's shown. I don't base this on her negative comments about MJ over the years (most divorced couples say bad stuff out of hurt feelings etc). I just feel she's led a very selfish life, and was in such an amazing position to be able to help people in a truly significant way. Sometimes I give Prince Jackson shit for his douchey behaviour, but you gotta hand it to the kid, he genuinely cares and uses a lot of his privelege to help those less fortunate.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 15, 2018 3:05:54 GMT
I just feel she's led a very selfish life, and was in such an amazing position to be able to help people in a truly significant way. And how do you know she did not?
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Post by Russg on Aug 16, 2018 17:00:52 GMT
I just feel she's led a very selfish life, and was in such an amazing position to be able to help people in a truly significant way. And how do you know she did not? Well, I would be very surprised.
The latest from her ex-husband:
Lisa Marie Presley's estranged husband, musician Michael Lockwood, received death threats when they split after 10 years of marriage, his attorney told a Los Angeles court on Wednesday.
'Michael had death threats. Miss Presley sold his musical equipment that he uses to make a living. She turned him into a pariah in the music business,' attorney Jeff Sturman told Judge Dianna Gould-Saltman on the third day of the former couple's messy divorce trial.
Sturman said that when Presley, 50, filed for divorce in 2016, her annual income was around $2.2 million, while Lockwood's was negative $3,300.
'He had nothing - and she doesn't care,' he told LA Superior Court. 'She is just looking out for herself. She had her inheritance from her father and whatever else she had and she did not want him (Lockwood) to get a piece of it.'
The central issue of the divorce trial is the validity of a post-nuptial agreement signed by Presley and Lockwood, 57, in July 2007 and again in November that year.
In that prenup, both gave up rights to each other's property and both gave up the right to claim spousal support off the other should they divorce.
Presley - who has claimed she sold Lockwood's musical equipment to reimburse some of her losses from Lockwood running up 'possibly millions' on her credit card - wants the post-nup enforced.
Lockwood wants the judge to tear it up, contending that it's invalid because he didn't read it before he signed it because it 'didn't interest him' and his attorney at the time didn't explain the details of the prenup to him.
In court Wednesday, Presley - in a scream silk blouse, black pants and boots and a long black coat - looked on as both Sturman and her lawyer, Gary Fishbein - outlined their cases for declaring the post-nup wholly or partially valid or not.
Fishbein began by telling the court, 'I have been doing this for 38 years and I have never heard of anyone asking a court to void an agreement on the basis of saying, 'I didn't read that agreement', following it by saying, 'I wasn't interested in it.'
Guitarist Lockwood was paid around $245,000 a year as her musical director by Presley in 2006, the year they married, and $150,000 in 2007, the year they signed the post-nup.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 16, 2018 17:56:38 GMT
And how do you know she did not? Well, I would be very surprised.
The latest from her ex-husband:
Lisa Marie Presley's estranged husband, musician Michael Lockwood, received death threats when they split after 10 years of marriage, his attorney told a Los Angeles court on Wednesday.
'Michael had death threats. Miss Presley sold his musical equipment that he uses to make a living. She turned him into a pariah in the music business,' attorney Jeff Sturman told Judge Dianna Gould-Saltman on the third day of the former couple's messy divorce trial.
Sturman said that when Presley, 50, filed for divorce in 2016, her annual income was around $2.2 million, while Lockwood's was negative $3,300.
'He had nothing - and she doesn't care,' he told LA Superior Court. 'She is just looking out for herself. She had her inheritance from her father and whatever else she had and she did not want him (Lockwood) to get a piece of it.'
The central issue of the divorce trial is the validity of a post-nuptial agreement signed by Presley and Lockwood, 57, in July 2007 and again in November that year.
In that prenup, both gave up rights to each other's property and both gave up the right to claim spousal support off the other should they divorce.
Presley - who has claimed she sold Lockwood's musical equipment to reimburse some of her losses from Lockwood running up 'possibly millions' on her credit card - wants the post-nup enforced.
Lockwood wants the judge to tear it up, contending that it's invalid because he didn't read it before he signed it because it 'didn't interest him' and his attorney at the time didn't explain the details of the prenup to him.
In court Wednesday, Presley - in a scream silk blouse, black pants and boots and a long black coat - looked on as both Sturman and her lawyer, Gary Fishbein - outlined their cases for declaring the post-nup wholly or partially valid or not.
Fishbein began by telling the court, 'I have been doing this for 38 years and I have never heard of anyone asking a court to void an agreement on the basis of saying, 'I didn't read that agreement', following it by saying, 'I wasn't interested in it.'
Guitarist Lockwood was paid around $245,000 a year as her musical director by Presley in 2006, the year they married, and $150,000 in 2007, the year they signed the post-nup.
What does this have to do with whether LMP ever helped people or not?
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Post by Snow White on Aug 17, 2018 2:14:38 GMT
I can see in a way where Russ is coming from regarding LMP's personality traits...
She always stroke as a dull and unteresting person but people are obssessed with her for who her father is and her love life. Even though I always believed in Michael's marriage with her and I hated when some fans themselves said it was a sham, making him look like a machiavellian liar for the sake of their disdain/hatred towards her; I often wondered what they had in common other than dealing with fame and scrutiny since a very young age.
What could they talk about besides their parents, upbringing? It seemed she didn't have much to offer in an intellectual level and it baffled me how uneducated she seened because I saw a video of her and other people protestig against psychiatry in 2000. In my defence, I was unaware how fucked up Scientology is to the point of having their adherents so isolated of the real world that they don't know much of anything and children are left worse if they grew up in Scientology because they were enroled in Scientology schools not learning anything valuable for life other that the batshit crazy books L. Ron Hubbard wrote and before the Going Clear doc and Leah Remini's show I didn't know LRH was against psychiatry because the medical association in the area mocked and ignored his methods to "treat" mental illnesses.
I know you'll say Lisa admitted she was wrong how she treated MJ after they divorced and I think she apologized but what was her point of doing that now Michael is gone and he wouldn't know. I'd have given her props of she had apologized when he was alive but she chose to kick him when he was down in 2005 instead. Maybe I hold grudges easily but I'm more loyal to Michael and I am on his side over whoever wronged him and that's the reason why I will never understand why some MJ fans love her or admire her despite of what she did to him.
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Post by milo on Aug 17, 2018 4:16:06 GMT
Michael said she was a sweet person, she cared about kids and animals. I never hated her. I was indifferent to her before MJ’s death. I thought her interviews during the time of MJ’s trial were selfish and disrespectful to both Michael and herself. I understood she was acting as a scorned woman, she wanted to get back at him for the way their relationship ended. I still think those interviews were cruel and unnecessary, but after her Oprah’s interview, I reevaluated her interviews and understood she’s a damaged woman with unresolved emotional issues. I don’t think she’s a bad person. Now, I believe she’s really sorry and feels guilty for how she treated Michael in those years. She said she’s not proud of those interviews. Oprah asked her if she felt peace in front of MJ’s casket and said she couldn’t. She answered that the only thing she wanted to do was apologize for not being around. It’s sad
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Post by Snow White on Aug 17, 2018 4:30:28 GMT
I never thought she was bad and I don't feel hate towards Lisa, her emotional problems more likely derive from not getting proper help after her father died and her mother raising her as Scientologist instead of taking legitimate therapy but her vindictive behavior towards MJ made LMP forever unlikeable to me. She had no right to treat him the way she did even if her mother and Scientology messed her up, Michael tried so hard to make their marriage work but she valued it too late.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 17, 2018 4:49:33 GMT
I can see in a way where Russ is coming from regarding LMP's personality traits... Well, Russ's issue with her doesn't seem to be about what she "did to MJ" but about her wealth and "privilege" and her supposedly not using it to help people (which is just an assumption on his part). I don't know about her intellectual capacity. She has dropped out of school, I think, but that doesn't mean she is unintelligent. MJ himself didn't have much school either, obviously for different reasons. The point is education =/= intelligence. Sure Lisa sometimes seems to have a difficulty with expressing herself well and clearly in interviews, but MJ too had that problem (Bashir documentary, anyone?). She had her own problems and difficulties growing up. The traumatic death of her father (and she was with him when it happened), then apparently she had a very difficult relationship with her mother who hooked up with all kind of questionable men. For example, Michael Edwards who attempted to sexually molest Lisa when she was a child. www.elvis.com.au/presley/lisa-marie-playboy-interview.shtmlEdwards also wrote in his book (though, of course, you never know how credible that is) that Priscilla and Lisa didn't have a good relationship at all. Apparently Priscilla even tried to snatch away boyfriends form Lisa, which is just fucked up, if true. Lisa also started using drugs, which is perhaps not surprising with that start to life. Then there is Scientology which we know by now how fucked up is. Why I say is that I think people need to cut Lisa a slack. Money and a name doesn't necessarily give you a stable upbringing and a good life. There are two sides of that coin, though. Lisa's anger at MJ didn't come from a vacuum. We talk a lot about how she treated him, but are we sure MJ treated her right? How would you react if your significant other came home one day telling you that if you are not going to have his baby he will have someone else have it? Fans who hate Lisa love to go on about how she promised him children and she didn't keep her promise, but will you bring children in a relationship that you don't feel stable and where you start having doubts about your husband's commitment to you? Now, maybe Lisa was wrong about those doubts - she does say in the hindsight that both of them had people from the outside in their ears and that contributed largely to their distrust to each other and eventual breakup, but it is hindsight. At the time she felt betrayed too, not only MJ. www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/what-i-know-about-men-20140311-34jxp.htmlI think they probably both made their mistakes - which Lisa now acknowledges. Also, neither of them were easy to live with, I am sure. MJ ackowledges it on the rabbi tapes that he is not an easy man to be married to. Probably that's why he did not re-marry after Lisa (well, there is Debbie, but I don't think that was a real marriage or that they ever lived together as husband and wife). Lisa too is a difficult person - four failed marriages prove that. She is said to be very temperamental, while MJ had a difficulty with handling conflicts. That's a deadly mix in a marriage. From that perspective Lisa's frustration and anger with him in those early 2000s interviews is understandable, IMO. Actually that wasn't that long after their final breakup (around 1998-99) so she must have carried a lot of hurt and fresh wounds. Sure, she should have kept it to herself and not talk about it in the media. MJ was definitely more classy in that. But I don't consider it a deadly sin on Lisa's part. To me she didn't say anything that crossed that line from where there is no way back. Also, to me MJ didn't seem to harbor hate or resentment towards her. He always seemed to have a soft spot for her, even after she said all those angry things about him in the media. Mez said that they talked about Lisa during the trial and MJ had nothing but nice and loving things to say about her. The massive hate by MJ fans against Lisa on MJ's behalf is weird when MJ didn't seem to share those sentiments himself. I think MJ understood where that anger was coming from and he didn't hold it against Lisa. And despite of her anger, Lisa too always had tender feelings for MJ, IMO. Even in those angry interviews often she actually goes into a defensive of him. Or in 2003, when she called into a radio station to defend him after the Bashir interview. And that there was tenderness there is also apparent from her song lyrics. One thing is for sure. Lisa was genuinely in love with Michael. She seems to have regrets about some of the things she did to him too. She deserves some criticism (as does MJ) but to me she doesn't deserve the over-the-top hatered that she often receives from MJ fans. (Mainly female fans, may I remark. I know it is not always that and that there is genuine, legit criticism of her. But there is also a huge part of the female fandom where jealousy plays a part in it, IMO and it is really obvious from some of the things those fans say about her.)
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Post by Russg on Aug 17, 2018 8:13:05 GMT
Well, I would be very surprised.
The latest from her ex-husband:
Lisa Marie Presley's estranged husband, musician Michael Lockwood, received death threats when they split after 10 years of marriage, his attorney told a Los Angeles court on Wednesday.
'Michael had death threats. Miss Presley sold his musical equipment that he uses to make a living. She turned him into a pariah in the music business,' attorney Jeff Sturman told Judge Dianna Gould-Saltman on the third day of the former couple's messy divorce trial.
Sturman said that when Presley, 50, filed for divorce in 2016, her annual income was around $2.2 million, while Lockwood's was negative $3,300.
'He had nothing - and she doesn't care,' he told LA Superior Court. 'She is just looking out for herself. She had her inheritance from her father and whatever else she had and she did not want him (Lockwood) to get a piece of it.'
The central issue of the divorce trial is the validity of a post-nuptial agreement signed by Presley and Lockwood, 57, in July 2007 and again in November that year.
In that prenup, both gave up rights to each other's property and both gave up the right to claim spousal support off the other should they divorce.
Presley - who has claimed she sold Lockwood's musical equipment to reimburse some of her losses from Lockwood running up 'possibly millions' on her credit card - wants the post-nup enforced.
Lockwood wants the judge to tear it up, contending that it's invalid because he didn't read it before he signed it because it 'didn't interest him' and his attorney at the time didn't explain the details of the prenup to him.
In court Wednesday, Presley - in a scream silk blouse, black pants and boots and a long black coat - looked on as both Sturman and her lawyer, Gary Fishbein - outlined their cases for declaring the post-nup wholly or partially valid or not.
Fishbein began by telling the court, 'I have been doing this for 38 years and I have never heard of anyone asking a court to void an agreement on the basis of saying, 'I didn't read that agreement', following it by saying, 'I wasn't interested in it.'
Guitarist Lockwood was paid around $245,000 a year as her musical director by Presley in 2006, the year they married, and $150,000 in 2007, the year they signed the post-nup.
What does this have to do with whether LMP ever helped people or not? Nothing, I just posted it here to contribute to the thread. Why are you always on the defensive??
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Post by respect77 on Aug 17, 2018 10:17:55 GMT
What does this have to do with whether LMP ever helped people or not? Nothing, I just posted it here to contribute to the thread. Why are you always on the defensive?? No one is on the defensive. You were the one who posted that article in reply of my question.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 20, 2018 18:26:23 GMT
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