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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Apr 3, 2020 17:49:25 GMT
Thanks for the update.
-------- Finaldi argues he may need up to TWO YEARS to perform discovery in Safechuck's case due to the "range of national and international locations of abuse" etc. -------------
Lets hope he checks that the locations actually excist first๐ finaldi obviously stalling hoping for a settlement
A big fecking sigh as i read this๐ฃ
Certainly looking to make a docu. Mind you prob only to get an aiiring if they win. Will this nightmare ever end. Cant hey just feck off and die
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Post by ghost on Apr 4, 2020 21:07:45 GMT
WTF? Is he trying to be clever here? Something tells me he's taunting MJ fans with this vague mumbo-jumbo about not having to prove anything to anyone...
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Post by respect77 on Apr 4, 2020 21:20:14 GMT
He legit looks like a mass murderer reading his manifesto before going on a rampage here. Those crazy, psychopathic eyes and expression. If he was a good person I'd be worried for him watching this video. He doesn't look right mentally. And like his dancing, his lectures are redundant too. He keeps going on about the same topics. His big one is this how "we" (in reality, he's talking about himself) don't have to prove anything to anyone which is a reflection on what his real issue is: that he could not take the pressure that came with his goals in showbiz. He's like a broken record about this subject which is very telling.
ETA: And I'm of two minds about this. On one hand, fans should not pay attention to him, on the other hand it is fascinating to witness how mental he is. He is like a train wreck. He really thinks this "dancing" is something he should put out to public?
And when you look at his timeline, this is ALL he does in each one of his videos. Who the hell pays money for this? Hopefully not many people. I guess it shows he was never a great dancer and choreographer after all. Once he gets rid of all MJ imitation, this is what's left of him.
BTW, this current economical crisis cannot be good on him. They have already been struggling financially.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 5, 2020 7:51:09 GMT
He legit looks like a mass murderer reading his manifesto before going on a rampage here. Those crazy, psychopathic eyes and expression. If he was a good person I'd be worried for him watching this video. He doesn't look right mentally. And like his dancing, his lectures are redundant too. He keeps going on about the same topics. His big one is this how "we" (in reality, he's talking about himself) don't have to prove anything to anyone which is a reflection on what his real issue is: that he could not take the pressure that came with his goals in showbiz. He's like a broken record about this subject which is very telling.
ETA: And I'm of two minds about this. On one hand, fans should not pay attention to him, on the other hand it is fascinating to witness how mental he is. He is like a train wreck. He really thinks this "dancing" is something he should put out to public? And when you look at his timeline, this is ALL he does in each one of his videos. Who the hell pays money for this? Hopefully not many people. I guess it shows he was never a great dancer and choreographer after all. Once he gets rid of all MJ imitation, this is what's left of him. BTW, this current economical crisis cannot be good on him. They have already been struggling financially.
It never occurred to me that the "prove yourself" comment was referring to his failed career ambitions. I interpreted it as a commentary on people asking him to prove his allegations, like a conceited "I don't have to prove myself to anyone" type remark. I suspect your interpretation is the right one, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets off on these vague comments being open to interpretation in such a way. One of the things that fascinates me about Wade is his motivations behind doing what he's done. Obviously, the money is the main one, but I don't believe it is the sole motivater. He obviously hates MJ and we know he blames him for his career failings, but I personally feel as if his hatred for MJ runs deeper. I suspect in Wade's eyes, MJ never lived up to the father figure Joy build him up to be and instead of blaming his mother for this, he blames MJ.
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Post by SoCav on Apr 5, 2020 9:30:32 GMT
It never occurred to me that the "prove yourself" comment was referring to his failed career ambitions. I interpreted it as a commentary on people asking him to prove his allegations, like a conceited "I don't have to prove myself to anyone" type remark. I suspect your interpretation is the right one, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets off on these vague comments being open to interpretation in such a way. That's how I took it as well. It fits with the 'believe all accusers'/'my truth' mantra he spews for obvious reasons. At the very least, he must know that some people will interpret it that way. One of the things that fascinates me about Wade is his motivations behind doing what he's done. Obviously, the money is the main one, but I don't believe it is the sole motivater. He obviously hates MJ and we know he blames him for his career failings, but I personally feel as if his hatred for MJ runs deeper. I suspect in Wade's eyes, MJ never lived up to the father figure Joy build him up to be and instead of blaming his mother for this, he blames MJ.Hmm, but if that had been the case, wouldn't he have developed a hatred for MJ at an earlier stage? Wade strikes me as such a narcissist, that I've always thought the failed career-explanation made most sense.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 5, 2020 9:33:11 GMT
It never occurred to me that the "prove yourself" comment was referring to his failed career ambitions. I interpreted it as a commentary on people asking him to prove his allegations, like a conceited "I don't have to prove myself to anyone" type remark. I suspect your interpretation is the right one, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets off on these vague comments being open to interpretation in such a way. That's how I took it as well. It fits with the 'believe all accusers'/'my truth' mantra he spews for obvious reasons. At the very least, he must know that some people will interpret it that way. One of the things that fascinates me about Wade is his motivations behind doing what he's done. Obviously, the money is the main one, but I don't believe it is the sole motivater. He obviously hates MJ and we know he blames him for his career failings, but I personally feel as if his hatred for MJ runs deeper. I suspect in Wade's eyes, MJ never lived up to the father figure Joy build him up to be and instead of blaming his mother for this, he blames MJ.Hmm, but if that had been the case, wouldn't he have developed a hatred for MJ at an earlier stage? Perhaps he saw MJ's death as the final nail in the coffin in terms of any chance he had of gaining either career opportunities by association or a surrogate father figure? And then not getting the Cirque gig was the final kick in the teeth which tipped him over the edge.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Apr 5, 2020 9:58:15 GMT
These ppl seem to have the same issues. G.arvizo got bitter and twisted cause he didnt get to be around mj forever and a day.blames mj for anything and everything. Then you have robson and safechuck interms of their careers. Its like they think mj owes them something and when everything isnt perfect its all mjs fault.
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Post by ghost on Apr 5, 2020 11:57:55 GMT
Certainly looking to make a docu. Mind you prob only to get an aiiring if they win. Will this nightmare ever end. Cant hey just feck off and die Nah, they'll air a documentary either way, all that will change is how they frame it. If they lose, it'll be how the juggernaut of Michael Jackson Inc denied justice to his poor victims. If they win it'll be how two brave men exposed the juggernaut of Michael Jackson Inc.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 5, 2020 12:03:26 GMT
He legit looks like a mass murderer reading his manifesto before going on a rampage here. Those crazy, psychopathic eyes and expression. If he was a good person I'd be worried for him watching this video. He doesn't look right mentally. And like his dancing, his lectures are redundant too. He keeps going on about the same topics. His big one is this how "we" (in reality, he's talking about himself) don't have to prove anything to anyone which is a reflection on what his real issue is: that he could not take the pressure that came with his goals in showbiz. He's like a broken record about this subject which is very telling.
ETA: And I'm of two minds about this. On one hand, fans should not pay attention to him, on the other hand it is fascinating to witness how mental he is. He is like a train wreck. He really thinks this "dancing" is something he should put out to public?
And when you look at his timeline, this is ALL he does in each one of his videos. Who the hell pays money for this? Hopefully not many people. I guess it shows he was never a great dancer and choreographer after all. Once he gets rid of all MJ imitation, this is what's left of him. BTW, this current economical crisis cannot be good on him. They have already been struggling financially.
It never occurred to me that the "prove yourself" comment was referring to his failed career ambitions. I interpreted it as a commentary on people asking him to prove his allegations, like a conceited "I don't have to prove myself to anyone" type remark. I suspect your interpretation is the right one, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets off on these vague comments being open to interpretation in such a way. One of the things that fascinates me about Wade is his motivations behind doing what he's done. Obviously, the money is the main one, but I don't believe it is the sole motivater. He obviously hates MJ and we know he blames him for his career failings, but I personally feel as if his hatred for MJ runs deeper. I suspect in Wade's eyes, MJ never lived up to the father figure Joy build him up to be and instead of blaming his mother for this, he blames MJ.
From my reading of Wade's blog it is clear to me that what we witness here is a case of narcissistic rage for not being able to fulfill MJ's "prophecy" of becoming a new Spielberg. A narcissist is never to be blamed for his own failures, so he found the perfect way to get out of being seen as a failure and just not having the talent of becoming the international superstar he aimed to be. I think this is as much of a show for his family, and most specifically for his demanding mother, than it is for the general public. If he had just said: "You know, guys, I don't think I have the talent for more than being a dance tutor/a boy band choreographer. I won't become a new Spielberg and I won't become the new MJ", I suspect this would have been treated by Joy with contempt. Wade knew it, so he needed to create a story where he pushes his mother into a corner from which she has no ground to criticize him. I do think he hates MJ now, but I think the reason is that MJ is the symbol of his failure in his career. As for father figure, I do think that there WAS jealousy among these kids (not for the sexual reasons they claim now, of course - that's just nonsense) and I can imagine that Wade felt jealous of certain kids who were obviously closer to MJ than he ever was. And maybe this is also a revenge for that now. But to me, Wade's psychological process is pretty clear from studying him for years, reading his blog etc. This not having to prove himself is a recurring theme. Maybe he does mean in part not having to prove his allegations, but I think it is mainly about not having to prove himself in his career. He is like a broken record about this, you can tell this is his main issue psychologically. That he grew up with this pressure (mainly from his mother, no matter how much he is trying to attribute it to MJ now) of achieving big in showbiz. And before he had his breakdowns he simply bumped into his limits. He failed at and crumbled under the pressure of trying to direct a D-list movie, so how is he going to become a new Spielberg now? Even his dance/choreography career was on the decline now compared to his success in the early 2000s. So this "not having to prove myself" mantra is all about him telling himself not having to achieve big. And this is what it is ALL about! Showbiz is all he ever knew, so if he wants to do nothing for the rest of his life now, "not having to prove himself", like we all do have to prove ourselves every day at our workplace etc, but he doesn't want any of that now - he will need money to live that lazy lifestyle. He can't sue saying "MJ prophesized to me that I'm going to be a new Spielberg and I couldn't take the pressure of that, so compensate me". First world problems. No one can sue with that. So he needed to invent something with that he could sue and try to get the money that would make that lazy lifestyle possible for him for the rest of his life: enter CSA allegations.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Apr 5, 2020 14:25:58 GMT
It as if it was never enough for him. I remember back in the day, there was the W.R project on mtv (when mtv was actually relevent) he seemed pretty big at one point in time. Maybe it was his connection to mj that made me notice him more but he was getting pretty big jobs at that time in his career. The problem was unless you are very special that type of career isnt going to last forever. Theres always newer/younger ppl coming through the ranks. He couldnt handle that being the ego that he is so needed someone to blame rather than himself
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Apr 5, 2020 14:27:23 GMT
Certainly looking to make a docu. Mind you prob only to get an aiiring if they win. Will this nightmare ever end. Cant hey just feck off and die Nah, they'll air a documentary either way, all that will change is how they frame it. If they lose, it'll be how the juggernaut of Michael Jackson Inc denied justice to his poor victims. If they win it'll be how two brave men exposed the juggernaut of Michael Jackson Inc. Yeah probably. But hopefully the media will have no intrest or they will be to busy crawling under a rock instead. I can dream๐ฃ
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Post by amaya on Apr 5, 2020 17:23:48 GMT
These ppl seem to have the same issues. G.arvizo got bitter and twisted cause he didnt get to be around mj forever and a day.blames mj for anything and everything. Then you have robson and safechuck interms of their careers. Its like they think mj owes them something and when everything isnt perfect its all mjs fault. This is one of things that bothers me about all this. For the rest of their lives, R&S will never be at fault or take responsibility for anything, because they can easily blame MJ instead and their supporters will be okay with that. It's bullshit. Michael isn't to blame here. Sometimes you can do your best and do everything right, but you still won't come out on top. And that's not really anyone's "fault"; it just happens like that. To quote Captain Picard from Star Trek: "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
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Post by Vega on Apr 5, 2020 18:27:31 GMT
It as if it was never enough for him. I remember back in the day, there was the W.R project on mtv (when mtv was actually relevent) he seemed pretty big at one point in time. Maybe it was his connection to mj that made me notice him more but he was getting pretty big jobs at that time in his career. The problem was unless you are very special that type of career isnt going to last forever. Theres always newer/younger ppl coming through the ranks. He couldnt handle that being the ego that he is so needed someone to blame rather than himself. He was going somewhere for a while - I never see it mentioned but Wade co-wrote (with Justin Timberlake) a good portion of NSYNC's last album including all of the hit singles. Of course, he ruined his relationship with Timberlake because of his own selfish behavior in cheating with Britney, but he could have legitimately made a name for himself as JT got bigger and became a solo star. Ironically, I wouldn't be surprised if most of Wade's money these days comes from royalty checks for "Pop" and "Gone". Good reason to never play those songs!
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Apr 5, 2020 18:52:06 GMT
Didnt realise that vega.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 6, 2020 4:01:48 GMT
It as if it was never enough for him. I remember back in the day, there was the W.R project on mtv (when mtv was actually relevent) he seemed pretty big at one point in time. Maybe it was his connection to mj that made me notice him more but he was getting pretty big jobs at that time in his career. The problem was unless you are very special that type of career isnt going to last forever. Theres always newer/younger ppl coming through the ranks. He couldnt handle that being the ego that he is so needed someone to blame rather than himself. He was going somewhere for a while - I never see it mentioned but Wade co-wrote (with Justin Timberlake) a good portion of NSYNC's last album including all of the hit singles. Of course, he ruined his relationship with Timberlake because of his own selfish behavior in cheating with Britney, but he could have legitimately made a name for himself as JT got bigger and became a solo star. Ironically, I wouldn't be surprised if most of Wade's money these days comes from royalty checks for "Pop" and "Gone". Good reason to never play those songs! Let's not get carried away, he co-wrote four songs:
Pop (peak position on Billboard #19) Celebrity (not released as a single) Gone (peak position #11) See Right Through You (not released as a single)
The biggest single of the album was "Girlfriend" (peak at #5) which Robson had nothing to do with.
They tried to shop "Gone" to MJ, but he declined it (thankfully, I couldn't bear to have a Robson song in his catalog now).
Also, how big part of the songs were written by Robson? Because Timberlake talks about "Gone", for example, as if he had written it mostly alone.
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