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Post by respect77 on Jan 11, 2019 9:47:02 GMT
You know, I have to laugh at it when the media pushes this "powerful celebrity" angle regarding MJ. He might have been rich (a magnet for opportunist liars, BTW), but he was far from powerful. If he was we wouldn't have a million trashy, tabloid documentaries about him, while we hardly have any good ones. If he was powerful, at the very least documentary makers would attempt to be somewhat balanced, not blatantly pushing an anti-MJ agenda. He is actually pretty powerless and that's one of the reasons he is an easy target. His Estate doesn't care to defend him, nor his family. He only has us, fans and although we are doing our homework and have all the material to retfute this BS, we are absolutely powerless to put it out.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 11, 2019 10:01:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 10:19:03 GMT
I only saw Kelley's Twitter page for the first time yesterday.
I abused her for screaming when she saw the spider. The unnecessary drama she caused.
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 11, 2019 10:32:06 GMT
Not a massive poll sure, but this sucks to see. Only reconciliation is that most of the replies below it are defending Mike, but still... ( link)
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Jan 11, 2019 12:14:48 GMT
Not a massive poll sure, but this sucks to see. Only reconciliation is that most of the replies below it are defending Mike, but still... ( link)
I'm so glad people are defending MJ in some of the most ignorant comments... can't believe people are still that brainwashed to believe the arvizos were in anyway credible...
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Post by TonyR on Jan 11, 2019 12:34:29 GMT
I'm not sure if it's good this is coming out the same time as the R Kelly stuff seems to be reaching its peak. Will it be overshadowed by that or will they get lumped together.
I'm just 'glad' that it's old accusers and when it's new one my heart sinks that little bit more.
I think (and hope) that it will be just noise and become old news very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 12:36:16 GMT
I'm not sure if it's good this is coming out the same time as the R Kelly stuff seems to be reaching its peak. Will it be overshadowed by that or will they get lumped together. I'm just 'glad' that it's old accusers and when it's new one my heart sinks that little bit more. I think (and hope) that it will be just noise and become old news very quickly. Finally! A half full cup guy!
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 11, 2019 12:49:44 GMT
I'm so glad people are defending MJ in some of the most ignorant comments... can't believe people are still that brainwashed to believe the arvizos were in anyway credible... Me too. As much as this news sucks, the above poll results aside, it's actually been great to see by far the majority of comments defending Michael. I've noticed the tide gradually turning ever since he died.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 11, 2019 14:51:37 GMT
What I fear is that it is very easy to create a one-sided documentary that will be emotionally manipulative and will sway people. It doesn't even seem to pretend to be unbiased or balanced. They decided that Robson and Safechuck are "credible victims" and everything will be from their POV. They won't tell you all the problems with their cases. I expect emotionally manipulative sob stories, throwing in all fallacies and lies from the past like child porn found, FBI files proving MJ paid off 20 victims etc. and people watching it just won't know any better.
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Post by suzie on Jan 11, 2019 15:16:58 GMT
@innuendo141 I wish I shared your positivity, but I have a bad feeling about this. A one sided, four hour documentary, which will no doubt be spent entirely portraying Michael as a predatory paedophile and asks no hard hitting questions or fails to present anything that resembles a balanced defense is going to sway a lot of people. The estate will be foolish to not try and stop this in its tracks, as this documentary airing will very likely negatively impact the bottom line which they so care about. I think we ALL have a bad feeling about this one. For this to air unchecked in this day and age it’s not going to go over well. Plus the media is salivating at the mouth. RKellys documentary didn’t have this much hype
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Post by TonyR on Jan 11, 2019 15:17:46 GMT
I'm never sure who watches these anymore.
This is pretty much a 25 year news story now which peaked in 2005 & interest has been on the wane since his acquittal.
We need to accept that this will always be part of the MJ story as much as that kills me/us. Every so often there'll be a 'new' story and maybe even a new accuser.
As usual most of us probably wouldn't even know about this if we didn't follow his news stories, most won't see it or presume it's just reconstituted stories. It's not going to change anyone's mind if you already think he's guilty and same for those that know he's innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 15:20:51 GMT
I'm never sure who watches these anymore. This is pretty much a 25 year new story now which peaked in 2005 & interest has been on the wane since his acquittal. We need to accept that this will always be part of the MJ story as much as that kills me/us. Every so often there'll be a 'new' story and maybe even a new accuser. As usual most of us probably wouldn't even know about this if we didn't follow his news stories, most won't see it or presume it's just reconstituted stories. It's not going to change anyone's mind if you already think he's guilty as same for those that know he's innocent. This. Ive had to go looking myself. The only place its obvious is Twitter, but that place is the cesspit of the internet. On twitter its like people look for what you want to see, and keep looking until you find the tweets that share your view. Then its TRUTH
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Post by TonyR on Jan 11, 2019 15:21:16 GMT
@innuendo141 I wish I shared your positivity, but I have a bad feeling about this. A one sided, four hour documentary, which will no doubt be spent entirely portraying Michael as a predatory paedophile and asks no hard hitting questions or fails to present anything that resembles a balanced defense is going to sway a lot of people. The estate will be foolish to not try and stop this in its tracks, as this documentary airing will very likely negatively impact the bottom line which they so care about. I think we ALL have a bad feeling about this one. For this to air unchecked in this day and age it’s not going to go over well. Plus the media is salivating at the mouth. RKellys documentary didn’t have this much hype I don't think so. The media in UK has been all over R Kelly, was even on the news. This was on BBC Entertainment News page for one day yesterday and even then it focused on the Estate's response rather than the doc itself. If it wasn't for here I'm not sure I would have ever known about the Robson case which in itself is amazing bearing in mind his (albeit tiny) level of stardom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 15:22:48 GMT
I think we ALL have a bad feeling about this one. For this to air unchecked in this day and age it’s not going to go over well. Plus the media is salivating at the mouth. RKellys documentary didn’t have this much hype I don't think so. The media in UK has been all over R Kelly, was even on the news. This was on BBC Entertainment News page for one day yesterday and even then it focused on the Estate's response rather than the doc itself. If it wasn't for here I'm not sure I would have ever known about the Robson case which in itself is amazing bearing in mind his (albeit tiny) level of stardom. X2
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 11, 2019 15:33:19 GMT
Although I've seen more pro MJ discussion since the news broke, I'm also of the belief that the estate will do what they continue to do: Put out a statement denouncing it while pushing promotion of MJ One at the same time, just like they did with the ABC special a few months ago. Facts...ACTUAL facts are on Michael's side and I hope that people will see through all this They won't
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