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Post by respect77 on Jun 27, 2023 2:24:14 GMT
This is really shocking news. I didn't expect this.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jun 27, 2023 3:05:23 GMT
We don't know if this true or not. fans are telling other fans not to post until we know for sure. if this is true this is somewhat good news. as others are saying they hope it will be public and on TV.
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Post by amaya on Jun 27, 2023 3:17:12 GMT
I don't trust TMZ at all, but if this is true then this really kills the high I've been having over the last few days. Now I'm scared all over again... goddammit.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 27, 2023 5:10:42 GMT
Thread
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Post by MattyJam on Jun 27, 2023 5:36:38 GMT
Whilst it makes me a little nervous, part of me suspects this might be good news for us. Wade had his story told unchallenged on a massive platform 4 years ago and now he has to face cross examination. All the lies, inconsistencies etc will be aired and it it's televised, all the better.
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Post by ghost on Jun 27, 2023 5:54:48 GMT
Whilst it makes me a little nervous, part of me suspects this might be good news for us. Wade had his story told unchallenged on a massive platform 4 years ago and now he has to face cross examination. All the lies, inconsistencies etc will be aired and it it's televised, all the better. I wish I shared your faith. The media will run with this and paint MJ out to be a monster, just as his legacy is recovering after LN.
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Post by MattyJam on Jun 27, 2023 5:58:29 GMT
Whilst it makes me a little nervous, part of me suspects this might be good news for us. Wade had his story told unchallenged on a massive platform 4 years ago and now he has to face cross examination. All the lies, inconsistencies etc will be aired and it it's televised, all the better. I wish I shared your faith. The media will run with this and paint MJ out to be a monster, just as his legacy is recovering after LN. Which they've done since 1993. If this is televised and finally Wade won't be the one to control the narrative, then people will decide for themselves regardless of the media coverage. MJs lawyers have enough to completely decimate Wade's credibility in court imho.
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Post by electriceyes on Jun 27, 2023 6:02:01 GMT
I honestly don't know how to feel about this. More than anything, I could do without it and I'm sure PP&B could as well.
In the long run it could be good in exposing to the world the kind of opportunistic snakes MJ had in his life, but it's a gamble as nothing is guatenteed in a court of law.
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Post by Russg on Jun 27, 2023 6:08:57 GMT
Fucking grifting piece of shit isn't believable as a human being, ain't nobody gonna fall for his lies!
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Post by pg13 on Jun 27, 2023 6:25:19 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Jun 27, 2023 8:20:19 GMT
Yeah,it seems it's tentative and it may change after the oral arguments, but it5very rare that a court is swayed by oral arguments and changes its tentative ruling.
BTW, as TSCM explained this doesn't mean it goes to court still, although it's certainly a big step in that direction, but for now it will just go back to trial court to deal with whatever issues the appeal court found in the trial court's initial decision. And we will have to see what it was. For example, in appeal court Robson made a big argument about how the fact they weren't allowed to depose the Chandlers is critical to their case and it was unfair for the judge to not have them allowed. If this is about just that then it still may get thrown out after their wish to depose Jordan is granted (I think their desperation to depose Jordan is nothing but fishing and won't change the course of the legal arguments but maybe the Appeal Court bought into their argument that it's somehow crucial to their case). But of course, this might be just wishful thinking on my part and their ruling might be a lot more deterministic in terms of whether it will now go to trial. We will have to see the ruling. It seems absurd to me, to be honest that this was turned around on any of the argued causes of actions. God save California companies from opportunistic lawsuits if such a case can pass.
As to whether it would be good or bad for MJ if it went to trial. I think overall bad, whatever happens in court as once again he's going to get dragged through the mud, the media, the spin doctors like Dan Reed etc of course are going to spin anything that's going on in court like they spun it in 2005.
On the other hand, this case is so freaking absurd when we get down to details that I can't see the average Joe not shaking his head in disbelief (if they are being fed with the actual facts, that is). I mean what is this case really about:
Wade is suing MJ's companies as the enablers of his alleged abuse. This is based on such actions as Norma Staikos putting them on the phone with MJ when they came from Australia and chased her and MJ down. This is supposedly the direct cause of his alleged abuse and not that
1. It was Joy who went out of her way to hunt down MJ.
2. It was Joy who after just having met MJ allowed him to stay alone with him for a week (if we take their current story on face value).
3. It was Joy who in 1992 was approached by Victor Gutierrez who told her that MJ was supposedly a pedophile who abused Wade. Joy asked Wade, Wade denied it and laughed at it, according to Joy's own testimony. Then Joy it was Joy who reported to Norma Staikos about VG running around and spreading lies about MJ.
4. It was Joy who despite of Blanca Francia's claims and the Chandler allegations still continued to allow Wade spend time alone with MJ.
5. Wade denied these allegations up until his recent turn around.
So how is it the companies' responsibility even IF abused happened (which I don't believe) and not Joy Robson's. How is Norma Staikos the "madam" for putting them on the phone with MJ and not Joy?
Here's what Wade himself said about how Norma is the main responsible in deposition:
It's absurd, I can't see any sane person not rolling their eyes at this absurdity. And this of course might well enlighten the fact for the average Joe that it's nothing but s money grab. Something that was well hidden in LN.
This is not your Catholic church cover up case, this is a mockery of such real cases.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 27, 2023 8:36:49 GMT
Also, a lot of the average Joe reactions can be summarized as this.
Of course, it's technically a civil trial that's against the companies, but still MJ is going to be implicitly on trial and since he's dead and is not given the chance to defend himself, there's a sense of unfairness of it even for the layperson.
These aren't even fan accounts.
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Post by invinciblegal on Jun 27, 2023 8:56:22 GMT
It would be nice to watch Robson squirm having to answer to some of his lies and inconsistencies, but in spite of that, I hope for MJs sake it doesn't go to trial.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 9:48:26 GMT
It will be nice to see MJ's team defend him for a change, instead of leaving it to fans on Twitter and social media.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Jun 27, 2023 14:57:37 GMT
And yet the estate are still pressing forward with this biopic, which could potentially be out the same year as a trial? Talk about bad timing. Fans said from day one that now wasn't the time for an MJ biopic but as always, they press forward with the most ridiculous and ill-advised decision making.
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