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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jun 28, 2023 18:23:56 GMT
Deranged narcissists, the both of them.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 28, 2023 18:53:36 GMT
And this is what worries me and it's all very problematic from a legal and justice POV. It's everyone's constitutional right that when accused we can face our accusers and be given the chance to defend ourselves. This is one of the reasons you can't charge or sue dead people. Technically, of course, here MJ isn't being the one sued, but his companies, but in practice it's him who is going to be on trial. After all you cannot determine whether the companies can be liable if you haven't first decided about whether you think MJ did it it at all. So when the jury is going to be asked for a ruling the first question likely will be "Do you think MJ abused Robson/Safechuck?" This essentially puts MJ on trial. As a dead man. Without his chance to face his accusers and have the ability to defend himself, assist his own defense etc. This feels to me like a travesty of justice, a circumvention of a basic constitutional right. How is this even possible? I wonder if there are even precedents with cases that are anything like this? Of course there are cases against churches, companies etc where they are being sued for covering up an abuse that was committed by someone who's already dead. However, I assume in a vast majority of those cases, if not all if them, the guilt of that abuser was already established while he was alive. Like there's a conviction or a ruling against him. Or a confession by him. In the church cases I have seen in documentaries that was usually like that. There wasn't really a question about whether it really happened at all. The only question was why did the church cover up knowledge of convictions or confessions by certain priests. Here however there's a man who was not only not convicted in life but he was actually acquitted. Yet, the Gavin Arvizo case is being used against him as if he was really guilty of it. To hell with the acquittal, I guess. The Chandler case is also being used as a fact, despite of it never being proven and the settlement clearly stating it's not an admission of guilt. In 2005 several legal analysis pointed out that Judge Melville's allowing of "prior bad acts" evidence was likely misguided if not downright a violation of MJ's constitutional rights. If MJ had lost the trial that would have been probably a good ground for appeal. There the prosecution used claims that have never been proven and in most cases even denied by the alleged victim himself (Brett, Macaulay, Wade)! And it was fully based on disgruntled ex-employees. The fact that the Chandler case was brought up without MJ being able to face and cross examine his actual accuser, Jordan, was also wrong. And now this seems even worse, because now MJ is dead and dead people shouldn't be put on trial. But he will be. Subjected to one sided bashing and trashing without him being able to assist his defense. Oh and don't forget this is not a criminal trial with a "beyond a reasonable doubt" requirement, it's a civil trial where if the jury feels it's 50.01% likely that MJ did it vs. 49.99% that he didn't, that's enough to stigmatize him as an abuser. I have seen legal analysis that pointed out why trying cases that are in criminal in nature, specifically sex abuse cases, in civil court instead of criminal is very problematic: less burden of proof, and yeah the defendant can't go to jail there but specifically in sex abuse cases the stigma and harm arising out of liable civil trial verdict can result in just as bad consequences, like loss of job, loss of friends, loss of family, shame etc. And that with a much lower burden of proof. So, the article argued, sex abuse cases should be strictly criminal and they shouldn't be tried in civil court instead of a criminal trial (of course, it's different when there was a criminal trial conviction in the same matter before the civil trial). And here it's exponentially worse, because MJ can't even defend himself. It feels so wrong and unfair on so many levels. How in gawds name does one even begin to explain this to a jo-anne public on the street?! Is this EVER going to resolve itself?! How many gawd damn times are we going to go down this road and WTF are MJ’s estate with all their wealth going to do to help put things right? Are they going to leave it to the fans again?! I’ll be taking a very long hiatus! I can’t deal with this shit as well as my own life!! In my experience, you can't explain legal issues of a complicated nature and indepth to most people you'll ever meet, if any are remotely interested. I've found that with MJ's legal battles and other issues such as armed conflicts that hardly any citizen without skin in the game is interested. They either want to wind you up or they much prefer the media stories they hear which they put a lot trust in. And I'm literally reading about international humanitarian law as we speak! But I believe we can ALL trust that the Estate will fight this as hard as they can in the civil courtroom! So don't lose heart just now.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jun 28, 2023 21:22:40 GMT
How in gawds name does one even begin to explain this to a jo-anne public on the street?! Is this EVER going to resolve itself?! How many gawd damn times are we going to go down this road and WTF are MJ’s estate with all their wealth going to do to help put things right? Are they going to leave it to the fans again?! I’ll be taking a very long hiatus! I can’t deal with this shit as well as my own life!! In my experience, you can't explain legal issues of a complicated nature and indepth to most people you'll ever meet, if any are remotely interested. I've found that with MJ's legal battles and other issues such as armed conflicts that hardly any citizen without skin in the game is interested. They either want to wind you up or they much prefer the media stories they hear which they put a lot trust in. And I'm literally reading about international humanitarian law as we speak! But I believe we can ALL trust that the Estate will fight this as hard as they can in the civil courtroom! So don't lose heart just now. Thank you Gary. I appreciate these words. I need to be optimistic and hopeful for the future.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jun 29, 2023 3:09:17 GMT
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jun 29, 2023 3:29:12 GMT
If the Supreme Court choose a trial, we probably won't see it until next year or 2025 or 2026.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jun 29, 2023 9:42:03 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Jun 29, 2023 12:08:14 GMT
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Post by russtcb on Jun 29, 2023 14:19:18 GMT
Just made sure to RT this from the podcast. I keep going back and forth on this. On the one hand, I'm like "Ok great, I hope EVERYONE hears about how this is bullshit" but then I keep getting mad that it's even a thing in first place. On top of that, I remember that the general public doesn't really give a shit about actual facts.
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Post by Snow White on Jun 29, 2023 14:19:21 GMT
I don't think Shawn is friends with that bastard anymore if he's calling him out on his bullshit claims.
I never thought they'd have another chance to appeal since their lawsuits have been dismissed twice and a judge told Robson no rational juror would believe his claims if I remember the quote correctly. I think everyone was caught up by surprise and Michael doesn't deserve this shit because he's not here to defend himself but I hope if it goes to trial, the estate throws the kitchen sink to defend Michael and humiliate Robson and JS once more for the world to see if it's broadcast or streamed.
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Post by MattyJam on Jun 29, 2023 14:33:47 GMT
I don't think Shawn is friends with that bastard anymore if he's calling him out on his bullshit claims. I never thought they'd have another chance to appeal since their lawsuits have been dismissed twice and a judge told Robson no rational juror would believe his claims if I remember the quote correctly. I think everyone was caught up by surprise and Michael doesn't deserve this shit because he's not here to defend himself but I hope if it goes to trial, the estate throws the kitchen sink to defend Michael and humiliate Robson and JS once more for the world to see if it's broadcast or streamed. Even if it doesn't go to trial, he won't go away. He'll monetise this until the day he dies. Professional Victim pays well.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jun 29, 2023 18:34:41 GMT
Havnt been following much lately at all as alot of family crap going on. So what is the actual ruling in this as im abit confused as to whats been said. Its been thrown out so many times what is the supreme court saying. That it can proceed to trial or its been sent back to court because it doesnt agree with rulings the other judges made?
Edit. Read its about the companies and even thoigh my was the boss they should have reported something? So is there a chance it can be thrown out again or is that it defo a trial even if its another year or so after discovery?
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Post by aazzaabb on Jun 29, 2023 19:00:12 GMT
I like this! People in Hollywood need to start coming forward and talking to the media about how much of a rat Wade is. I hope Wade and James, but especially Wade is ripped apart in this trial. 😎👍🏻
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Post by aazzaabb on Jun 29, 2023 19:03:42 GMT
I don't think Shawn is friends with that bastard anymore if he's calling him out on his bullshit claims. I never thought they'd have another chance to appeal since their lawsuits have been dismissed twice and a judge told Robson no rational juror would believe his claims if I remember the quote correctly. I think everyone was caught up by surprise and Michael doesn't deserve this shit because he's not here to defend himself but I hope if it goes to trial, the estate throws the kitchen sink to defend Michael and humiliate Robson and JS once more for the world to see if it's broadcast or streamed. They fucking well better!!!
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Post by aazzaabb on Jun 29, 2023 19:21:34 GMT
Wade & Chucky need to be ripped apart and humiliated beyond belief! Wade has such a punchable face and Chucky is nothing more than his bitch.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jun 30, 2023 8:23:03 GMT
For some reason twitter won't let me read and takes me straight to sign in join up page. Cleared cookies etc as that worked in the past but not now. Can someone link to respects twitter page or tscm for me please. See it works thats way. Typical when there's things to read
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