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Post by respect77 on Aug 24, 2018 18:51:11 GMT
It is high time. I always thought this should be a bigger scandal than it is. When I think of how huge the Milli Vanilli scandal was and here we are talking about Michael Jackson! But I think Sony has connections in the media. Now they are feeling the pressure apparently because they issued a statement saying they did not admit it wasn't MJ. ph.news.yahoo.com/sony-music-not-conceded-vocals-162009828.html?guccounter=1What fans posted that "Sony admitted the vocals are fake" is a misleading half-truth but this one too is. They DID say that the vocals MIGHT be fake. Their argument is simply that if it is they didn't know so they are not responsible. Honestly, even if the songs "might" be fake, that's enough reason to not to include them on an album and say it is Michael Jackson. They had a lot of authentic MJ songs that they could have released and some people did warn them in advance that it does not sound like MJ. There were people during the mixing of those songs expressing doubt about the authenticity of the songs. So if Sony/the Estate cared one bit about MJ's legacy and artistic integrity, they would have put the songs aside and replaced them with songs that were surely authentic. And they could have done due dilligence on the songs. LOL at the Judge saying the album should have been called "Michael and somebody other than Michael" or "Maybe Michael".
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Post by respect77 on Aug 24, 2018 19:05:45 GMT
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Post by ghost on Aug 24, 2018 19:12:47 GMT
So if Sony/the Estate cared one bit about MJ's legacy and artistic integrity, they would have put the songs aside and replaced them with songs that were surely authentic. And they could have done due dilligence on the songs. I honestly believe they knew it wasn't the real MJ on those songs and the whole thing was an experiment to see what they could get away with. I don't think they anticipated the fan reaction and they really believed people would fall for it. I guess they hoped that we would all believe it was truly MJ and then they could release album after album of fake MJ tracks.
They obviously credit the fanbase with very little intelligence.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Aug 24, 2018 19:46:52 GMT
I am very aware that Sony admitted nothing. I've been saying that over on mjjc. I'm glad this has went viral though.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 24, 2018 19:50:29 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Aug 24, 2018 20:07:33 GMT
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 25, 2018 6:24:34 GMT
Who is actually implicated in this lawsuit? Is it the estate, as well as Sony? And are Eddie Cascio and James Porte a part of this lawsuit as well?
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Post by respect77 on Aug 25, 2018 6:26:50 GMT
Damien Shields interview about the case.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 25, 2018 7:14:29 GMT
Who is actually implicated in this lawsuit? Is it the estate, as well as Sony? And are Eddie Cascio and James Porte a part of this lawsuit as well? Demien explains that in the interview above. There is a seperate fraud lawauit against Cascio and Porte and a seperate one against Sony/Estate. The one against Cascio/Porte is kind of on a side track now with Sony dragging their feet wit the "we will say for argument's sake that it is not MJ, only we are not to be held responsible for it and our communication about the album was protected by First Amendment and freedom of artistic speech" argument. To me that argument doesn't make much sense. Freedom of artistic speech is about what an artist expresses in their art - for example a songwriter has the right to freedom of speech in their lyrics. But to communicate something is by a certain artist and it isn't is not artistic expression IMO. Anyway, the case now revolves around this point for years, so the Cascios have not really come under scrutiny yet as I understand. There was not discovery yet, acc. to Damien, where they could present evidence. Interesting that he says that more or less Jason Malachi admitted privately that it is him on those tracks. Serova's forensic expert also concluded that it was likely Malachi. Now, of course, Sony have their own forensic expert saying it is MJ, but acc. to Damien he interestingly came up with his conclusions overnight, while Serova's expert worked on his analysis for many months, doing a very meticulous job. He said not even the dialect is consistent with MJ's. He also says they have proof that it is not true what the Estate/Sony communicated that six of MJ's former engineers concluded at that listening party that it was MJ. The December 2016 hearing alludes to that as well. Anyway, none of this have come under scrutiny yet as the case didn't yet enter in the discovery phase.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 26, 2018 8:37:42 GMT
Damien Shields interview about the case. In this interview Damien Shields claims Malachi more or less admitted privately that it is him on those songs. Now they are waiting for him to come clean publicly, and if he won't he will be added to the lawsuit as another defendant. The expert who wrote the 41-page report added to Serova's complaint also concluded that the singer is likely Malachi (and definitely not MJ). It definitely sounds a lot like him.
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Post by SoCav on Aug 26, 2018 9:56:58 GMT
Anyone familiar with Jason's voice can tell it is him on the songs. It really is patently obvious. I don't understand how people can say these are different voices, let alone that it is Michael's: instaud.io/2B0qAgain, the only Michael Jackson vocals you hear on those tracks are ad-libs, words, and breaths taken from acapella's of real, previously released MJ tracks. Listen for yourself, these are samples used in Monster compared to the originals: instaud.io/2AX1
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Post by respect77 on Aug 26, 2018 10:04:13 GMT
Anyone familiar with Jason's voice can tell it is him on the songs. It really is patently obvious. I don't understand how people can say these are different voices, let alone that it is Michael's: instaud.io/2B0qAgain, the only Michael Jackson vocals you hear on those tracks are ad-libs, words, and breaths taken from acapella's of real, previously released MJ tracks. Listen for yourself, these are samples used in Monster compared to the originals: instaud.io/2AX1Yep. You could put Room 2 Breathe (or any official Malachi songs) among the 12 Cascio songs and no one would say it is another singer, because it isn't. (Actually even the style of the Cascio songs is very similar to Malachi song's style.) And that goat-like vibrato gives me headaches.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Aug 26, 2018 12:12:45 GMT
The strangest part of all this is, there are way better soundalikes out there than Malachi. If the intention was to pull a farce one (which lets be honest, it was), then the Cascio's should've contacted this guy:
They may have even gotten away with it with Jeffrey Perez, as he really is a great soundalike.
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Post by TonyR on Aug 26, 2018 12:26:13 GMT
The strangest part of all this is, there are way better soundalikes out there than Malachi. If the intention was to pull a farce one (which lets be honest, it was), then the Cascio's should've contacted this guy:
They may have even gotten away with it with Jeffrey Perez, as he really is a great soundalike.
Don’t be giving them ideas! I think the Jennifer Batten post before sums it up. Never mind all the so called experts and forensics. Just listen to it. Once.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 26, 2018 12:26:15 GMT
The strangest part of all this is, there are way better soundalikes out there than Malachi. If the intention was to pull a farce one (which lets be honest, it was), then the Cascio's should've contacted this guy:
They may have even gotten away with it with Jeffrey Perez, as he really is a great soundalike.
Thing is they also need to be able to sing like MJ - I don't just mean copying his tone and vocal mannarisms which is what these impersonators do, but they need to have his actual vocal abilities, vocal versatility and singing talents which neither of them do and it gets painfully obvious when you let them sing in length and on different type of songs. A snippet of Leave Me Alone isn't necessarily the material to showcase that. Listen to Perez on a different type of song than LMA, TWYMMF etc - ie. Love Never Felt So Good from 3:15. You could not fool a real fan with that. His vocal shortcomings and limits compared to MJ really show there. LOL. (They do show on the other songs as well, but a slower tempo song makes them even more obvious.) Apart from their worse vocal abilities, there is just something about these impersonators that just make them sound really "flat" and bland as vocalists compared to MJ. When I listened to the 12 Cascio songs all at once it was just an incredibly boring, flat and one sided vocal performance. Even though Malachi tried hard to copy MJ's vocal mannerisms he totally failed at that. Like he did copy them but it did not add colors to the performance, it just came across as annoyingly forced while the vocal performance itself remained bland and one-sided. Same with this Perez guy from what I heard from him so far.
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