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Post by Liberian Girl on Nov 29, 2018 8:41:02 GMT
I've read in a few places that there's systematic abuse going on high-up amongst the rich and elite. There have been so many names that have come forward, insinuating that there is major abuse cover-ups going on, including a lot of sexual abuse of minors. Corey Feldman, Elijah Wood, (didn't Mac Culkin insinuate something too?), the whole Harvey casting couch thing, Woody Allan, Roman Polanski. It seems Hollywood is a "depraved" place. This article was interesting: theweek.com/articles/731375/hollywood-sitting-pedophilia-scandalWhat's your opinion on all this stuff? Do you think it's just conspiracy theory and that there's no more (or less) abuse in Hollywood than other places/careers? Or do you think there's more to it?
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Post by respect77 on Nov 29, 2018 9:14:25 GMT
There was a comment attributed to Mac but it turned out to be fake.
I personally think, there is abuse like in every area of life, but to me the whole systemic abuse in Hollywood thing sounds like an Internet conspiracy theory by people with too much time on their hand and questionable motives.
I also would not lump the cases you mentioned together. I'm not at all convinced of Woody Allen's guilt. Roman Polanski raped a young girl, but there is no proof he was a part of some Hollywood pedophile ring. Also casting couch issues are different than supposed secret pedophile rings. Corey was abused and named his abuser, but his abuse didn't seem like a part of some systemic pedophile ring. And if Elijah Wood knows "something big" he should go to the police and not use it for attention in the media.
I'm actually annoyed by people on the Internet speculating and throwing dirt on people with no evidence whatsoever and just based on their fantasies. And I noticed that for these conspiracy theorists speculation about who in Hollywood is a pedophile is a form of entertainment. I question the motives of such people who find this kind of talk entertaining.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 30, 2018 5:13:29 GMT
Notice how people are lumping together these cases for confirmation bias. From Wood's Wikipedia page:
What does Wienstein's case have to do with CHILD sexual abuse, which was alleged by Woods? Weinstein is accused of sexually abusing, assaulting and molesting adult women, not children. But the Weinstein case is used here to create an illusion that Wood's comments somehow got proven by Weintstein's case. No, they didn't. Wood alleged something completely different. He alleged child sexual abuse, and "Jimmy Savile style sex abuse".
To be honest, I am pretty annoyed when people are making vauge comments like this. It seems attention whoring. It annoys me, because if you really know something, why don't you go to authorities to report? Actually if you know something and you don't report it then you are part complicit in it, because despite of your knowledge you allow the child sexual abuse to go on. What will you achieve by making vauge comments in the media, other than attention for yourself? And it angers me, because people then use such comments for conspiracy theories and to speculate about everyone and their mother being a pedophile in Hollywood. It is just unfair.
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Post by Russg on Nov 30, 2018 7:49:45 GMT
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the public media campaign to smear MJ was a deflection tactic used by the real predators who are so high up they are in a position to influence media and public opinion and effectively hide in plain sight. I do believe if you have enough money, power and connections, the elite are above the law.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Nov 30, 2018 8:19:18 GMT
I read an interesting comment from David Icke (yes, I know!! The really whacky theories he has and how ridiculed he is etc) BUT I read this one particular quote from him that made me think of MJ and other false allegations:
"One of the ways elite paedophilia is systematically discredited is by bringing 'witnesses' who have NOT been abused to public attention to tell false stories, and by exploiting those who HAVE been abused but are so psychologically damaged they will name just anyone that they're encouraged to."
Even if you rate Icke as a first degree nut, this quote could have a point. It would not surprise me at all if people are used to push a cover-up of real abuse, or to distract people from the real culprits who do this shit.
Thought it a worthwhile point considering Russg's point above.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 30, 2018 11:06:28 GMT
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the public media campaign to smear MJ was a deflection tactic used by the real predators who are so high up they are in a position to influence media and public opinion and effectively hide in plain sight. I do believe if you have enough money, power and connections, the elite are above the law. Well, there was an article about how Weinstein had a pact with certain people in the media and how stories about other celebs were used to deflect from him. One such celeb about whom they planted stories to deflect from Weinstein was MJ. I will look up the article when I get home. Still, this doesn't prove systemic pedophile rings in Hollywood. It proves that Weinstein was rich and powerful enough to buy people in the media to do his bidding. (And Weinstein isn't accused of pedophilia either. He is accused of assaulting women.) ETA: Here it is:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/05/us/harvey-weinstein-complicity.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 23:52:48 GMT
There is a difference between protecting innocent children and vulnerable people and then just the witch hunt hysteria that takes over places like Hollywood and the Music industry.
Corey is a washed up 80s star looking for some more attention and notoriety and I doubt much of this is ture, if it is it was one or two depraved indidviduals rather than the whole industry.
Unfortunately this exposure of sexual and physical abuse (Which is fine if the genuine abusers are bought to justice and victims are treated) has been rampant lately, with high profile cases like Weinstein and Cosby (Who all abused grown ass women, not little children).
But whackadoo hysteria is not new, Michael jackson was the victim of this hysteria, the combination of a 1990s revulsion and awareness of child abuse and the general tabloid drubbing and smear campaign against Michael led to months of gossip and lies and publicity that nearly killed his career. All of it was built upon lies, greed and a hysteria. And people did not learn, 11 years later it happened again.
Yewtree in the UK is another example of this hysteria, at the start they got 2 or 3 true paedophiles (Rolf Harris, Jonathan King, Gary Glitter - Saville died before he got what he deserved) but then started fingering any gay or washed up old celebrity with music or talent considered corny or excessive with the flimsiest of evidence (Freddie Starr and Paul Gambacini amongst others) and their successive clearings and Cliff Richard successfully suing the Police over it, has seen the Yewtree finally choped down.
And not to forget the illuminate rumours abounding in rap music and crap that Beyonce is the demonic Sasha Fierce, when in reality the true illuminati would not bother with music that appeals to kids and the degenerates. In reality its a group of marginal and socially disruptive performers seeking some notoriety to keep up interest in their marginal (music - sic).
Finally Elijah and all these Cories are more known for the ABUSE they did to their own bodies, all the drugs, booze, crashy lifestyles and tattoos/piercings that when we see these people in their 40s and 50s we think they are just complete trash and could not trust them.
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Post by respect77 on Dec 6, 2018 3:27:56 GMT
Here is a real case of what might be systemic abuse. It's not Hollywood, though. It's about billionaire hedge fund manager Jerry Epstein. He molested over 80 young girls and held sex parties with young girls and other rich and powerful people. Who might have been included besides him is not known, though, because the documents about it are sealed. An even bigger scandal is how the prosecution and law treated him. How they made everything in their power so that he would get away with it as lightly as he could. I wonder this special treatment isn't just about him, but about protecting the identity of other rich and wealthy people. The prosecutor in the case, Alexander Acosta is now nominated by Trump for Secretary of Labor. It's an absolutely disgusting story. Full article: www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.htmlHere are some interesting parts: Ironic how Trump act all outraged about supposed Mexican rapists, but he doesn't mind to appoint Acosta in his team - a guy who was involved in covering up a huge molestation and rape scandal against a wealthy and powerful man.
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Post by ghost on Dec 6, 2018 8:20:01 GMT
That's a really interesting case Respect77, I never heard about this Epstein guy before. Really disgusting, stuff that goes on.
To be honest, sex abuse, coercion and bribery and corruption is probably full to the brim in Hollywood and high up music circles.
Doesn't even surprise me, hearing stuff like that, which is awful really that I even expect abuse to go on
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Post by respect77 on Dec 6, 2018 9:23:29 GMT
I think people look at Hollywood, because it is easier to imagine that all those celebrities are "powerful". In reality, most of them aren't really. Money and fame doesn't automatically make you powerful. You have to actively chase and build up your power, your connections among influential people (like politics, media etc.) to be powerful.
When you read this article about Epstein - that's how real power looks like. When you can influence prosecutors, judges, law enforcement to do your bidding. I think there is a lot more power like that in the financial world, media, politics than in Hollywood.
Not to say there aren't some truly powerful people in Hollywood too. But I think those are mainly people in the background (like producers), not your random actor or singer. I think Harvey Weinstein was one such powerful player. We read about him having certain media doing his bidding.
How I "like" the fallacious argument by some haters that MJ got away because his wealth and power. What power? He had none. And if anything his wealth and fame, coupled with the fact that his naivety made him a sitting duck, was a magnet not only for opportunistic accusers, but also for law enforecment and a DA who wanted to get into the history books by being the DA who had Michael Jackson convited. But if there is one thing that I am glad that Sneddon was so hostile (to the point of being unfair) to MJ, is that not even a shadow of doubt can be cast on MJ's case regarding whether it was properly prosecuted. There was no stone unturned in his case, MJ never got any favors from the prosecution, and he won fair and square.
But his case also shows that just because you are rich and famous that doesn't mean you have any meaningful power. Compare it to Epstein's case where you have multiple prosecutors vouching for him (not just Acosta, but also the one in New York) and even judges. He also got special privileges while in jail. One has to wonder why is this guy so powerful? I don't think it is just his money. I wonder if by protecting him they are also protecting other powerful and influential people.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Dec 29, 2018 8:02:41 GMT
I was reading about theories like this the other day. Can't say I think there's a major conspiracy of abuse but having said that, I have no doubt that there's probably a ton of corruption the higher you go amongst big business and money. Political figures, big names. Anyone with the money, position or authority to have friends in high places and to get away with it easier
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Post by Vega on Jan 14, 2019 3:37:31 GMT
I think people look at Hollywood, because it is easier to imagine that all those celebrities are "powerful". In reality, most of them aren't really. Money and fame doesn't automatically make you powerful. You have to actively chase and build up your power, your connections among influential people (like politics, media etc.) to be powerful.
When you read this article about Epstein - that's how real power looks like. When you can influence prosecutors, judges, law enforcement to do your bidding. I think there is a lot more power like that in the financial world, media, politics than in Hollywood. Not to say there aren't some truly powerful people in Hollywood too. But I think those are mainly people in the background (like producers), not your random actor or singer. I think Harvey Weinstein was one such powerful player. We read about him having certain media doing his bidding. How I "like" the fallacious argument by some haters that MJ got away because his wealth and power. What power? He had none. And if anything his wealth and fame, coupled with the fact that his naivety made him a sitting duck, was a magnet not only for opportunistic accusers, but also for law enforecment and a DA who wanted to get into the history books by being the DA who had Michael Jackson convited. But if there is one thing that I am glad that Sneddon was so hostile (to the point of being unfair) to MJ, is that not even a shadow of doubt can be cast on MJ's case regarding whether it was properly prosecuted. There was no stone unturned in his case, MJ never got any favors from the prosecution, and he won fair and square. But his case also shows that just because you are rich and famous that doesn't mean you have any meaningful power. Compare it to Epstein's case where you have multiple prosecutors vouching for him (not just Acosta, but also the one in New York) and even judges. He also got special privileges while in jail. One has to wonder why is this guy so powerful? I don't think it is just his money. I wonder if by protecting him they are also protecting other powerful and influential people. This is an older post, but you really nailed it. People forget that most of the "talent" in Hollywood aren't educated people and lack the skill set that guy like Epstein or Weinstein have.
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