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Post by Liberian Girl on Mar 5, 2019 10:48:03 GMT
I so understand you Tony. It's just heart breaking. Can't believe this nightmare.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 5, 2019 10:59:35 GMT
Do you know (or care) what REALLY fucks me off about all this? More than people's uninformed opinions, or Oprah, or the seedy money grabbing & TV ratings... It's that the days following June 25th 2009, when it was some of the hardest days of my life, when I was weeks from seeing my hero again right back where should be. When I had to go through probably the biggest grief of my life so far. The only glimmer of hope, the only silver lining I had at that time, was the fact that I thought this couldn't happen again, I thought MJ the hero was back, no more darkness, no more pain, no more allegations. Yes, they'd always be part of HIS STORY but they'd fade over time & he's be rightly celebrated as the best again. We had nearly 10 years of that. And now this. HOW DARE THEY. HOW FUCKING DARE THEY. When I started to work on the Michael Jackson Allegations website I had this naive faith in good always somehow winning at the end. I hoped for a full vindication for MJ happening one day. 10 years after his death here we are. I don't believe good wins any more. I believe this world generally favors evil. The sociopaths, the liars, the manipulators, the fake ones. (I see that in other areas of life too.) Michael was simply too good for this world. I'm not a believer but MJ reminds me of this Biblie verse: 18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you." |
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 5, 2019 11:18:15 GMT
This is just so frustrating. I often have this "Fuck it. I don't care, I KNOW I'm right, I've done my research for BOTH sides and that's what matters" mentality, then I go to a news website and see "Michael Jackson, Pedophile" or "Michael Jackson was raping those children night after night" as a headline (yes, BOTH were literally headlines on New Zealand's two biggest news sites!!) and it's hard to not get so fucked off. I saw someone I follow on social media review Leaving Neverland and I had to force myself not to comment. Distance myself for a good 30 minutes. I'm trying not to get involved in internet debates with strangers anymore, it's just not healthy. The difference will be if someone directly approaches me or calls me out on my personal social media about it, damn right I'll defend him then. Normally I'm quite supportive of the Estate. I'm glad to see that they've launched the lawsuit and delivered some scathing press releases in response to this film. But you know what fucks me off about them? The fact they are not using Michael's MASSIVE social media following to get the word out! Why the HELL aren't they posting their responses on Facebook to his 70,000,000 followers? Why on earth do we get their responses via some random MJ fansites? I TOTALLY understand the Streisand effect, but at this point when MJ is being called a literal child rapist on international frontpage news, we are BEYOND that. It's not enough to post his concerts, the Estate NEED to use their resources better.
Just have to remember that with this Michael Jackson stuff, the majority of people aren't going to see this documentary, a lot won't be aware of it, a lot of people are suspicious of it and ESPECIALLY that we are entering the peak of negative attention in regards to this. This'll be over in a couple of months. I just need to get back into my "Fuck it, and fuck them too" mindset. I don't think I'll watch the documentary. If it was 90 minutes, maybe I'd force myself through it. But 4 hours? They don't deserve that much of my time. I COMPLETELY agree it's important to listen out to any potential victims, and if people are going to watch this documentary THEN research what we know to come to their conclusion, so be it. But I don't need to. I've already heard Robson and Safechuck's side of the story. Not just in their law-binding oath to the court in 2005, or the many times they (especially Robson) have praised Michael following his death, but in their countless everchanging testimonies since then too. The REAL story reveals itself there, between their countless lies and contradictions. |
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Post by bedroom on Mar 5, 2019 11:33:28 GMT
Do you know (or care) what REALLY fucks me off about all this? More than people's uninformed opinions, or Oprah, or the seedy money grabbing & TV ratings... It's that the days following June 25th 2009, when it was some of the hardest days of my life, when I was weeks from seeing my hero again right back where should be. When I had to go through probably the biggest grief of my life so far. The only glimmer of hope, the only silver lining I had at that time, was the fact that I thought this couldn't happen again, I thought MJ the hero was back, no more darkness, no more pain, no more allegations. Yes, they'd always be part of HIS STORY but they'd fade over time & he's be rightly celebrated as the best again. We had nearly 10 years of that. And now this. HOW DARE THEY. HOW FUCKING DARE THEY. I know exactly what you mean and how you feel. But the lives of heroes have always been tragic haven't they? They were hugely misunderstood in their lives. I don't know if this applies to you but there are two things that help me stay positive: 1) MJ is not here. They can't make him suffer anymore 2) We don't need anyone's approval to love the guy. We know who he is and what he stood for in his life time. And that is enough. Even if the whole world turned against him. In fact, fuck the world. Even if everyone on this message board somehow turned against him and gave into all the bullshit, I will still know deep in my heart that the guy who wrote and sang Earth Song was a beautiful human being who tried his best to make a change in spite of all the shit the world threw in his face. And that is good enough for me. I think as a gay guy I can somehow relate to his story a lot. Being misunderstood, being thrown under the bus for being different. being thought of as evil even though you havent done anything. So all I'm trying to say is he will always be my hero no matter what the rest of the world thinks of him. And another thing is I think people think of him being too sensitive. And he probably was. But he stayed true to himself until the very end. He was a very courageous man not matter how you look at it. And for this alone, he will continue to be an inspiration for me. sorry if this comes off as cheesy. hugs and love to everyone on this board. |
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Post by TonyR on Mar 5, 2019 12:03:23 GMT
Do you know (or care) what REALLY fucks me off about all this? More than people's uninformed opinions, or Oprah, or the seedy money grabbing & TV ratings... It's that the days following June 25th 2009, when it was some of the hardest days of my life, when I was weeks from seeing my hero again right back where should be. When I had to go through probably the biggest grief of my life so far. The only glimmer of hope, the only silver lining I had at that time, was the fact that I thought this couldn't happen again, I thought MJ the hero was back, no more darkness, no more pain, no more allegations. Yes, they'd always be part of HIS STORY but they'd fade over time & he's be rightly celebrated as the best again. We had nearly 10 years of that. And now this. HOW DARE THEY. HOW FUCKING DARE THEY. I know exactly what you mean and how you feel. But the lives of heroes have always been tragic haven't they? They were hugely misunderstood in their lives. I don't know if this applies to you but there are two things that help me stay positive: 1) MJ is not here. They can't make him suffer anymore 2) We don't need anyone's approval to love the guy. We know who he is and what he stood for in his life time. And that is enough. Even if the whole world turned against him. In fact, fuck the world. Even if everyone on this message board somehow turned against him and gave into all the bullshit, I will still know deep in my heart that the guy who wrote and sang Earth Song was a beautiful human being who tried his best to make a change in spite of all the shit the world threw in his face. And that is good enough for me. I think as a gay guy I can somehow relate to his story a lot. Being misunderstood, being thrown under the bus for being different. being thought of as evil even though you havent done anything. So all I'm trying to say is he will always be my hero no matter what the rest of the world thinks of him. And another thing is I think people think of him being too sensitive. And he probably was. But he stayed true to himself until the very end. He was a very courageous man not matter how you look at it. And for this alone, he will continue to be an inspiration for me.sorry if this comes off as cheesy. hugs and love to everyone on this board. 100% this. And to respect77 post. I still believe in good. Because there is more good in the world than bad. Yes bad shouts louder, is more angry & seems overwhelming at times but on the whole people are generally good. They are. HIStory will vindicate. Maybe not in our lifetime like we thought but it will happen. Could be tomorrow! Something out the blue could tear these two to shit. We don't know. Jesus in the 1940's only 80 years ago one man started a terror so bad based on propaganda it killed tens of millions and people were tortured and gassed for their race. Now I'm not equating MJ's persecution with this. I'm just saying (rambling?) that we get over things, we move on, we learn, we don't forget and we usually come out better at the other end. Christ, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just saying it's always darkest before the dawn. Keep The Faith. |
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Post by russtcb on Mar 5, 2019 15:32:21 GMT
Do you know (or care) what REALLY fucks me off about all this? More than people's uninformed opinions, or Oprah, or the seedy money grabbing & TV ratings... It's that the days following June 25th 2009, when it was some of the hardest days of my life, when I was weeks from seeing my hero again right back where should be. When I had to go through probably the biggest grief of my life so far. The only glimmer of hope, the only silver lining I had at that time, was the fact that I thought this couldn't happen again, I thought MJ the hero was back, no more darkness, no more pain, no more allegations. Yes, they'd always be part of HIS STORY but they'd fade over time & he's be rightly celebrated as the best again. We had nearly 10 years of that. And now this. HOW DARE THEY. HOW FUCKING DARE THEY. Couldn't agree more. I thought we'd never have to deal with this again, yet here we are. And for what?? Money & TV rating as you said. Is there anything more fleeting than those two things?? All I can say is that Michael would want you to keep your head up and smile through this. |
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Post by TonyR on Mar 5, 2019 15:34:00 GMT
Do you know (or care) what REALLY fucks me off about all this? More than people's uninformed opinions, or Oprah, or the seedy money grabbing & TV ratings... It's that the days following June 25th 2009, when it was some of the hardest days of my life, when I was weeks from seeing my hero again right back where should be. When I had to go through probably the biggest grief of my life so far. The only glimmer of hope, the only silver lining I had at that time, was the fact that I thought this couldn't happen again, I thought MJ the hero was back, no more darkness, no more pain, no more allegations. Yes, they'd always be part of HIS STORY but they'd fade over time & he's be rightly celebrated as the best again. We had nearly 10 years of that. And now this. HOW DARE THEY. HOW FUCKING DARE THEY. Couldn't agree more. I thought we'd never have to deal with this again, yet here we are. And for what?? Money & TV rating as you said. Is there anything more fleeting than those two things?? All I can say is that Michael would want you to keep your head up and smile through this. I'm pretty sure it's the Cascio's who would want that. |
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Post by russtcb on Mar 5, 2019 15:42:48 GMT
Couldn't agree more. I thought we'd never have to deal with this again, yet here we are. And for what?? Money & TV rating as you said. Is there anything more fleeting than those two things?? All I can say is that Michael would want you to keep your head up and smile through this. I'm pretty sure it's the Cascio's who would want that. I didn't mean to make reference to that :/ |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 5, 2019 15:45:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's the Cascio's who would want that. I didn't mean to make reference to that :/ He's just joshin ya. |
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Post by russtcb on Mar 5, 2019 17:29:00 GMT
I didn't mean to make reference to that :/ He's just joshin ya. Oh I know. I was just mad at myself for accidentally making that refernce lol |
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Post by TonyR on Mar 5, 2019 18:02:05 GMT
Oh I know. I was just mad at myself for accidentally making that refernce lol You're no monster. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 20:06:13 GMT
Oh I know. I was just mad at myself for accidentally making that refernce lol You're no monster. You wanna write his obit-ua-ray |
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 5, 2019 22:47:30 GMT
Michael Jackson’s been banned from massive radio stations in my country, and I can see on my Facebook page that friends and family of mine are starting to become aware of the ‘documentary’.
FUCK.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 5, 2019 22:50:31 GMT
Michael Jackson’s been banned from massive radio stations in my country, and I can see on my Facebook page that friends and family of mine are starting to become aware of the ‘documentary’. FUCK. [br I really feel like this is just because of the prominence of the documentary in the media. They have no basis for doing this so it will probably be reversed at some point. |
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 5, 2019 22:58:32 GMT
Michael Jackson’s been banned from massive radio stations in my country, and I can see on my Facebook page that friends and family of mine are starting to become aware of the ‘documentary’. FUCK. [br I really feel like this is just because of the prominence of the documentary in the media. They have no basis for doing this so it will probably be reversed at some point. Maybe, I like to think so but it's hard to see where we can go from here. I suppose we have to wait for the court trial?
Seeing friends/family responding to it on Facebook and literally being like "[girlfriend] We should watch this?" has me enraged though because of it's one-sided nature.
Honestly fuck it all. I'm going to wear my Michael Jackson shirt to work today and I don't give two fucks. I'm torrenting the documentary now so I'm fully aware of everything.
(Sorry if I'm coming off super angry right now, its obviously not at any of you!)
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