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Post by kremlinshadow on Jan 28, 2019 10:34:32 GMT
Yep that'll be it, you've got me there, big raving nazi over here. Joining dots is not anti-semetic, TonyR is quite obviously one of the drama queens of the board and was called out on his ''DRAMATIC'' (Capitals, in inverted commas) accusation and he shut his trap forthwith. The post sat there 4 hours and nobody but him found offence and he was corrected and backed down. In all seriousness though I graduated from a pram to a push-chair so I really have to correct you on that one, and it's so much easier to throw my toys further from. And in extreme seriousness my 'clique' comment had nothing to do with TonyR and me, it was his and someone's attitude to someone being upset and over 'drama', nothing at all to do with my interactions but it was something that reminded me of Gaz and clique over at MJJC. To be fair, I wasn’t a part of the conversation and was only alerted to the offending remark after the fact. By itself it did look a bit anti-semetic, but I neither had the time or inclination to read it in context. Let’s move on. I think members need a thread like this to vent and I don’t want it to be derailed any further. Thanks. Fair enough, but if I can make one constructive last point. I know you own the board but accusing people of throwing toys out of their prams when they have a valid point and you haven't been party to the full conversation is a bit offensive, over it, let's move on. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 28, 2019 11:24:52 GMT
Maybe put yourself out there a bit more, engage in a friendly manner and don't always take comments too seriously. Nobody here bites. I appreciate your reply, but I'm not here to make friends personally but to engage in conversation regarding MJ. But recently noticed a cliquey element towards others, not myself, where someone makes a comment and members of said clique all jump at the one person, replying in a condescending manner. I'm not concerned about myself, I don't feel left out or a need to join a clique. I'm perfectly capable of defending myself and putting my point across, and me pointing out to you, ridiculing my statement of a clique is exactly my point in hand. Ridiculing your statement? Are you like for real?? You keep doing whatever makes you happy pal. Best wishes. |
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 28, 2019 16:02:24 GMT
To be fair, I wasn’t a part of the conversation and was only alerted to the offending remark after the fact. By itself it did look a bit anti-semetic, but I neither had the time or inclination to read it in context. Let’s move on. I think members need a thread like this to vent and I don’t want it to be derailed any further. Thanks. Fair enough, but if I can make one constructive last point. I know you own the board but accusing people of throwing toys out of their prams when they have a valid point and you haven't been party to the full conversation is a bit offensive, over it, let's move on. Apologies if I jumped the gun. I try to mod fairly and out in the open. Sometimes I get alerted to stuff and it's threads that are multiple pages long and it's hard to decipher who's right/wrong without reading it all. But anyway, no hard feelings and lets get back on topic.  |
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Post by TonyR on Jan 29, 2019 12:53:09 GMT
To be honest, I feel the only people really talking about this now is us!
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Post by russtcb on Jan 29, 2019 16:57:35 GMT
To be honest, I feel the only people really talking about this now is us! I agree, but that's just for now. I think when it airs, the shit will really hit the fan due to everyone being a social media warrior now. |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 1, 2019 1:39:04 GMT
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 10, 2019 11:22:55 GMT
How is everybody doing today?
I am now stepping out of this situation because it has become unhealthy and toxic.
I've donated towards Taj's documentary and will do so again in a few weeks, and I've shared the link.
I'm stepping back from the discussion though. There is more than enough evidence there to support MJ. The estates letter alone would be enough if we were living in a rational world. But we are not.
I am prepared now; the documentary airing will go ahead on HBO and Channel 4, many people will buy into it, and there is nothing we can do to change the minds of people who won't entertain real physical factual evidence.
This is the world. At least here in the UK it is. It's an unfair one. I hope one day MJ will be vindicated beyond all reasonable doubt and we all live to see it.
But I'm walking away from feeling like crap; from feeling upset even. I'm letting go of the emotional attachment to it all. MJ is at rest thank god.
Robson, Nobody and Reed will all get what's coming to them and I will be so over it I honestly won't even take an interest one way or another.
Look after yourselves folks. Your loved ones need you healthy; your kids, your spouse's, your lovers, your brother's and sister's, your parents, your friend's, your colleagues.
We are on the right side of history and simultaneously living in the wrong age. Humans can be evil just as they can be pure and loving and kind.
I will never believe this man was a paedophile -until I see clear visible evidence- but I'm done with the conversation for the sake of validating nobodies, for the sake of being the butt of their joke; the butt of their lie; the butt of their ignorance.
I've shed myself of this water torture trap. I've come to the surface and I can breath. I'm saying no to living like this ever again.
I plan to do great things with whatever time I have on planet earth and not waste a moment more on utter soul sucking crap.
This is my last post on Living Neverland and those vultures.
Today I move forward as an MJ fan without the burden of a noose around my neck. People can take my views as they want. I don't care either way anymore and I'll tell anyone to their face. I wasn't born to be a lawyer or an expert for the ignorant.
Remove this heavy load from your shoulders.
Peace to all of the fans in every corner of the globe.
Heal the World.
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Post by TonyR on Feb 10, 2019 14:47:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 15:27:34 GMT
How is everybody doing today? I am now stepping out of this situation because it has become unhealthy and toxic. I've donated towards Taj's documentary and will do so again in a few weeks, and I've shared the link. I'm stepping back from the discussion though. There is more than enough evidence there to support MJ. The estates letter alone would be enough if we were living in a rational world. But we are not. I am prepared now; the documentary airing will go ahead on HBO and Channel 4, many people will buy into it, and there is nothing we can do to change the minds of people who won't entertain real physical factual evidence. This is the world. At least here in the UK it is. It's an unfair one. I hope one day MJ will be vindicated beyond all reasonable doubt and we all live to see it. But I'm walking away from feeling like crap; from feeling upset even. I'm letting go of the emotional attachment to it all. MJ is at rest thank god. Robson, Nobody and Reed will all get what's coming to them and I will be so over it I honestly won't even take an interest one way or another. Look after yourselves folks. Your loved ones need you healthy; your kids, your spouse's, your lovers, your brother's and sister's, your parents, your friend's, your colleagues. We are on the right side of history and simultaneously living in the wrong age. Humans can be evil just as they can be pure and loving and kind. I will never believe this man was a paedophile -until I see clear visible evidence- but I'm done with the conversation for the sake of validating nobodies, for the sake of being the butt of their joke; the butt of their lie; the butt of their ignorance. I've shed myself of this water torture trap. I've come to the surface and I can breath. I'm saying no to living like this ever again. I plan to do great things with whatever time I have on planet earth and not waste a moment more on utter soul sucking crap. This is my last post on Living Neverland and those vultures. Today I move forward as an MJ fan without the burden of a noose around my neck. People can take my views as they want. I don't care either way anymore and I'll tell anyone to their face. I wasn't born to be a lawyer or an expert for the ignorant. Remove this heavy load from your shoulders. Peace to all of the fans in every corner of the globe. Heal the World. Take care of yourself pal. Be good. |
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Post by respect77 on Feb 10, 2019 18:15:39 GMT
I know the title says "positivity", but I need to vent a little. I sometimes feel combative, but today I feel completely depressed and hopeless. It ruined my day this morning that someone showed me how a thread with MJ(non)Facts nonsense went viral on Reddit. So much that it broke their fucking website (MJ(non)Facts). And the arguments were laughable but people were so buying into it. I don't get it how easily manipulated people are. They went on about boys being molested, most of whom never claimed to have been. But they know they have to make them look victims for their theories to work. Then add to it some arm-chair psychobabble about how MJ fits the pedophile profile based on cherry-picked nonsense (that's their favorite thing - it is actually utterly ridiculous). Then some rant about fans. They know have the facts and info to refute them, so they need to discredit them in advance. Those who don't know any better don't know that MJ(non)Facts is just as biased as any fan site. They are a hater site that started out as Wacko Facts and they are psychos who harass people like Brett Barnes to make them "confess".
Then their favorite shtick: "I was a fan but this made me see the light". When you see that, just know it is an MJ(non)facts member.
I don't know, the fact people lapped this nonsense up completely and that it went viral and gave so much traffic to that hater website, just ruined my day and made me feel so hopeless. We can work off our asses, but salacious gossip and trash will always sell 100x as quickly.  Oh well, at least we rule social media. There I saw mainly pro-MJ comments under related posts. Also I feel like I have so much information in my head, I just don't know how to get it out effectively and it makes me frustrated. Anyway, yesterday I submitted a script about how Leaving Neverland completely echoes Victor Gutierrez's mythology. I think a video is in the making. |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 10, 2019 18:32:46 GMT
I know the title says "positivity", but I need to vent a little. I sometimes feel combative, but today I feel completely depressed and hopeless. It ruined my day this morning that someone showed me how a thread with MJ(non)Facts nonsense went viral on Reddit. So much that it broke their fucking website (MJ(non)Facts). And the arguments were laughable but people were so buying into it. I don't get it how easily manipulated people are. They went on about boys being molested, most of whom never claimed to have been. But they know they have to make them look victims for their theories to work. Then add to it some arm-chair psychobabble about how MJ fits the pedophile profile based on cherry-picked nonsense (that's their favorite thing - it is actually utterly ridiculous). Then some rant about fans. They know have the facts and info to refute them, so they need to discredit them in advance. Those who don't know any better don't know that MJ(non)Facts is just as biased as any fan site. They are a hater site that started out as Wacko Facts and they are psychos who harass people like Brett Barnes to make them "confess".
Then their favorite shtick: "I was a fan but this made me see the light". When you see that, just know it is an MJ(non)facts member.
I don't know, the fact people lapped this nonsense up completely and that it went viral and gave so much traffic to that hater website, just ruined my day and made me feel so hopeless. We can work off our asses, but salacious gossip and trash will always sell 100x as quickly. Oh well, at least we rule social media. There I saw mainly pro-MJ comments under related posts. Also I feel like I have so much information in my head, I just don't know how to get it out effectively and it makes me frustrated. Anyway, yesterday I submitted a script about how Leaving Neverland completely echoes Victor Gutierrez's mythology. I think a video is in the making. I also think the main thing that gets me down is the fact that we have all this info but it doesn't really matter when nobody will actually report it and false stuff spreads like wildfire. I am trying to keep hopeful but as you said when I see stuff like that it makes me think it's pointless. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 18:35:45 GMT
I know the title says "positivity", but I need to vent a little. I sometimes feel combative, but today I feel completely depressed and hopeless. It ruined my day this morning that someone showed me how a thread with MJ(non)Facts nonsense went viral on Reddit. So much that it broke their fucking website (MJ(non)Facts). And the arguments were laughable but people were so buying into it. I don't get it how easily manipulated people are. They went on about boys being molested, most of whom never claimed to have been. But they know they have to make them look victims for their theories to work. Then add to it some arm-chair psychobabble about how MJ fits the pedophile profile based on cherry-picked nonsense (that's their favorite thing - it is actually utterly ridiculous). Then some rant about fans. They know have the facts and info to refute them, so they need to discredit them in advance. Those who don't know any better don't know that MJ(non)Facts is just as biased as any fan site. They are a hater site that started out as Wacko Facts and they are psychos who harass people like Brett Barnes to make them "confess".
Then their favorite shtick: "I was a fan but this made me see the light". When you see that, just know it is an MJ(non)facts member.
I don't know, the fact people lapped this nonsense up completely and that it went viral and gave so much traffic to that hater website, just ruined my day and made me feel so hopeless. We can work off our asses, but salacious gossip and trash will always sell 100x as quickly. Oh well, at least we rule social media. There I saw mainly pro-MJ comments under related posts. Also I feel like I have so much information in my head, I just don't know how to get it out effectively and it makes me frustrated. Anyway, yesterday I submitted a script about how Leaving Neverland completely echoes Victor Gutierrez's mythology. I think a video is in the making. That sounds utterly exhausting and frustrating indeed. Take a break, Respect. God knows you deserve one! And very good work, I always can't wait to see anything you produce. I'm still on the positivity train, so I'm sending out a major love! Finally found the Who Is It single with special Oprah acapella intro for not extortionate price, plus Captain Eo really has boosted my already boosted morale! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 18:38:06 GMT
I know the title says "positivity", but I need to vent a little. I sometimes feel combative, but today I feel completely depressed and hopeless. It ruined my day this morning that someone showed me how a thread with MJ(non)Facts nonsense went viral on Reddit. So much that it broke their fucking website (MJ(non)Facts). And the arguments were laughable but people were so buying into it. I don't get it how easily manipulated people are. They went on about boys being molested, most of whom never claimed to have been. But they know they have to make them look victims for their theories to work. Then add to it some arm-chair psychobabble about how MJ fits the pedophile profile based on cherry-picked nonsense (that's their favorite thing - it is actually utterly ridiculous). Then some rant about fans. They know have the facts and info to refute them, so they need to discredit them in advance. Those who don't know any better don't know that MJ(non)Facts is just as biased as any fan site. They are a hater site that started out as Wacko Facts and they are psychos who harass people like Brett Barnes to make them "confess".
Then their favorite shtick: "I was a fan but this made me see the light". When you see that, just know it is an MJ(non)facts member.
I don't know, the fact people lapped this nonsense up completely and that it went viral and gave so much traffic to that hater website, just ruined my day and made me feel so hopeless. We can work off our asses, but salacious gossip and trash will always sell 100x as quickly. Oh well, at least we rule social media. There I saw mainly pro-MJ comments under related posts. Also I feel like I have so much information in my head, I just don't know how to get it out effectively and it makes me frustrated. Anyway, yesterday I submitted a script about how Leaving Neverland completely echoes Victor Gutierrez's mythology. I think a video is in the making. I also think the main thing that gets me down is the fact that we have all this info but it doesn't really matter when nobody will actually report it and false stuff spreads like wildfire. I am trying to keep hopeful but as you said when I see stuff like that it makes me think it's pointless. Nothing is pointless except losing hope! |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 10, 2019 18:44:21 GMT
I know the title says "positivity", but I need to vent a little. I sometimes feel combative, but today I feel completely depressed and hopeless. It ruined my day this morning that someone showed me how a thread with MJ(non)Facts nonsense went viral on Reddit. So much that it broke their fucking website (MJ(non)Facts). And the arguments were laughable but people were so buying into it. I don't get it how easily manipulated people are. They went on about boys being molested, most of whom never claimed to have been. But they know they have to make them look victims for their theories to work. Then add to it some arm-chair psychobabble about how MJ fits the pedophile profile based on cherry-picked nonsense (that's their favorite thing - it is actually utterly ridiculous). Then some rant about fans. They know have the facts and info to refute them, so they need to discredit them in advance. Those who don't know any better don't know that MJ(non)Facts is just as biased as any fan site. They are a hater site that started out as Wacko Facts and they are psychos who harass people like Brett Barnes to make them "confess".
Then their favorite shtick: "I was a fan but this made me see the light". When you see that, just know it is an MJ(non)facts member.
I don't know, the fact people lapped this nonsense up completely and that it went viral and gave so much traffic to that hater website, just ruined my day and made me feel so hopeless. We can work off our asses, but salacious gossip and trash will always sell 100x as quickly. Oh well, at least we rule social media. There I saw mainly pro-MJ comments under related posts. Also I feel like I have so much information in my head, I just don't know how to get it out effectively and it makes me frustrated. Anyway, yesterday I submitted a script about how Leaving Neverland completely echoes Victor Gutierrez's mythology. I think a video is in the making. That sounds utterly exhausting and frustrating indeed. Take a break, Respect. God knows you deserve one! And very good work, I always can't wait to see anything you produce. I'm still on the positivity train, so I'm sending out a major love! Finally found the Who Is It single with special Oprah acapella intro for not extortionate price, plus Captain Eo really has boosted my already boosted morale! Is that only available on cassette yeah? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 18:45:59 GMT
That sounds utterly exhausting and frustrating indeed. Take a break, Respect. God knows you deserve one! And very good work, I always can't wait to see anything you produce. I'm still on the positivity train, so I'm sending out a major love! Finally found the Who Is It single with special Oprah acapella intro for not extortionate price, plus Captain Eo really has boosted my already boosted morale! Is that only available on cassette yeah? Compact Disc bud www.discogs.com/Michael-Jackson-Who-Is-It/release/297808 |
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