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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 17, 2019 14:01:56 GMT
Hope you guys are all ok. I'm in a really great place. Was in a shop the other day and saw a headline about MJ's grave to be dug up that I actually laughed at how absurd this entire thing is.
I've pretty much abandoned Twitter and it's the best thing I've done in awhile. I honestly don't know how some of you have been living and breathing this without as much as a day off. Fair play but look after yourselves.
TonyR, hope you feel better soon pal. I've been out for long walks in nature and drinking herbal teas😀🙏 I'm in monk mode! 😎👍🏻
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:16:56 GMT
Hope you guys are all ok. I'm in a really great place. Was in a shop the other day and saw a headline about MJ's grave to be dug up that I actually laughed at how absurd this entire thing is. I've pretty much abandoned Twitter and it's the best thing I've done in awhile. I honestly don't know how some of you have been living and breathing this without as much as a day off. Fair play but look after yourselves. TonyR, hope you feel better soon pal. I've been out for long walks in nature and drinking herbal teas😀🙏 I'm in monk mode! 😎👍🏻 Blocking my twitter is the best thing I've done in ages. Glad to hear all is well! |
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Post by pg13 on Feb 17, 2019 16:28:11 GMT
My advice in general to fans in other places is below:
Personally, this sort of thing really doesn't bother me and has very little effect.
I put it down to being a stubborn, pragmatic Ulsterman which are qualities generally associated with us.
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 17, 2019 16:35:19 GMT
Hope you guys are all ok. I'm in a really great place. Was in a shop the other day and saw a headline about MJ's grave to be dug up that I actually laughed at how absurd this entire thing is. I've pretty much abandoned Twitter and it's the best thing I've done in awhile. I honestly don't know how some of you have been living and breathing this without as much as a day off. Fair play but look after yourselves. TonyR, hope you feel better soon pal. I've been out for long walks in nature and drinking herbal teas😀🙏 I'm in monk mode! 😎👍🏻 Blocking my twitter is the best thing I've done in ages. Glad to hear all is well! Glad to hear it. I actually took the lead from you. Last week when you took a break for a few days I decided to leave off Twitter. Best. Choice. Ever! 😎👍🏻 |
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Post by ghost on Feb 17, 2019 20:58:15 GMT
What gets me is how fickle people are. When MJ died, everyone was so keen to celebrate him and believe the best about him, despite treating him like shit in life. And now people are ready to throw him under the bus again just because the two least credible sexual abuse accusers of all time make some shitty documentary. Fuck em all. I will never believe their lies, even if I’m in the minority. Fairweather fans and the general public can believe what they want, I don’t care anymore. These same people mocked him and made his life a living hell when he was alive, so who gives a fuck what they think about him now?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 21:00:36 GMT
What gets me is how fickle people are. When MJ died, everyone was so keen to celebrate him and believe the best about him, despite treating him like shit in life. And now people are ready to throw him under the bus again just because the two least credible sexual abuse accusers of all time make some shitty documentary. Fuck em all. I will never believe their lies, even if I’m in the minority. Fairweather fans and the general public can believe what they want, I don’t care anymore. These same people mocked him and made his life a living hell when he was alive, so who gives a fuck what they think about him now? I remember when I reached this conclusion and it felt good. Great post. |
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Post by ghost on Feb 17, 2019 21:10:28 GMT
Hope you guys are all ok. I'm in a really great place. Was in a shop the other day and saw a headline about MJ's grave to be dug up that I actually laughed at how absurd this entire thing is. I've pretty much abandoned Twitter and it's the best thing I've done in awhile. I honestly don't know how some of you have been living and breathing this without as much as a day off. Fair play but look after yourselves. TonyR, hope you feel better soon pal. I've been out for long walks in nature and drinking herbal teas😀🙏 I'm in monk mode! 😎👍🏻 Blocking my twitter is the best thing I've done in ages. Glad to hear all is well! I’ve been thinking about doing the same thing myself, especially Twitter. I saw this meme today, which I think sums up Twitter perfectly:  |
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Post by Cloudbuster on Feb 18, 2019 4:34:01 GMT
I am worried and anxious about it. I get given shit on here for expressing doubts, but I only do so here because the only other place to discuss this would be somewhere like MaxJax or worse, MJFacts, and I don't really want to discuss it with haters. I am grateful that members here are patient with me and I hope you don't judge me too harshly. I just want to get to the truth. I think ultimately what has thrown me about LN is how Wade and James have stepped out of the shadows. To me, it seemed very easy to make a lurid allegation and then hide behind a lawsuit. I guess I'm surprised that Wade and James would make such a bold move, in taking part in such a lengthly documentary and talking so graphically about their allegations on camera. A part of me is worried that the very fact they are doing this film, and opening themselves up to scrutiny for the whole world to see, is a mark of honesty. I know if I had lied about something like this, I wouldn't want to go on camera for the entire world to possibly see through my lies. There is no denying that it is a very brazen move if we are to believe they're lying. They're not going on camera and lying about just anything. They are lying about something that is shockingly intimate and personal, and people will expect to see genuine emotions and grief from them. From what we know of the reviews, James is seen physically shaking at one point and Wade sounds tearful. I know this doesn't prove anything, but I guess I am worried they will display emotions that come across as genuine. Of course, they would've had plenty of time to prepare their stories and think about how they come across, but it's still a brave and potentially foolish thing for somebody who is lying to do. Here. Have a bash at something a little bit more important. |
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Post by Thriller on Feb 18, 2019 4:55:20 GMT
How is everyone feeling at the minute about LN? This kind of feels like the calm before the storm right now and I'm enjoying the peace while I still can, because I think March is going to be a difficult month for MJ fans. I just keep holding out that the estate have something up their sleeves. I've grown really weary of attitudes on social media. I don't know if anyone else has been following the whole Ryan Adams debacle on Twitter, but it's shocking to me to see the vitriol and venom directed towards someone based purely on unproven accusations in a newspaper. I tried pointing out to an ex-fan who said they were disgusted with him and were going to throw his music in the garbage that a newspaper article is not robust evidence and that she should reserve judgement until such a time as it's proven in a court of law etc. Then I got accused of being a Trump supporter and a misogynistic woman hater. I don't know why I bother engaging, but sometimes you just want to highlight to the sheep on Twitter how they come across as pitchfork-wielding neanderthals. I don't think I'm going to have the strength to engage on social media when LN airs. I am worried and anxious about it. I get given shit on here for expressing doubts, but I only do so here because the only other place to discuss this would be somewhere like MaxJax or worse, MJFacts, and I don't really want to discuss it with haters. I am grateful that members here are patient with me and I hope you don't judge me too harshly. I just want to get to the truth. I think ultimately what has thrown me about LN is how Wade and James have stepped out of the shadows. To me, it seemed very easy to make a lurid allegation and then hide behind a lawsuit. I guess I'm surprised that Wade and James would make such a bold move, in taking part in such a lengthly documentary and talking so graphically about their allegations on camera. A part of me is worried that the very fact they are doing this film, and opening themselves up to scrutiny for the whole world to see, is a mark of honesty. I know if I had lied about something like this, I wouldn't want to go on camera for the entire world to possibly see through my lies. There is no denying that it is a very brazen move if we are to believe they're lying. They're not going on camera and lying about just anything. They are lying about something that is shockingly intimate and personal, and people will expect to see genuine emotions and grief from them. From what we know of the reviews, James is seen physically shaking at one point and Wade sounds tearful. I know this doesn't prove anything, but I guess I am worried they will display emotions that come across as genuine. Of course, they would've had plenty of time to prepare their stories and think about how they come across, but it's still a brave and potentially foolish thing for somebody who is lying to do. Both men in this documentary claim they were in love with MJ and this is why they defended him. Wade says he feared for MJ going to prison and for MJ's children. When you watch the documentary and they tell their stories I advise you to remember a few things. Wade claimed in court he didn't 'realise' he'd been abused until 2013. He has told numerous lies under oath. He has already contradicted his 'not realising' by saying he felt shame. He has also contradicted his timeline of abuse in this documentary. James claimed he didn't 'realise' he'd been abused until seeking therapy in 2013. In his court documents, and in this documentary, he says he told his Mother in 2005. He also claims he lived in constant fear of the truth coming out. He claims the MJ threatened him and told him his life would be over if he told anybody what had happened. In this documentary he wants to claim this man who took his childhood, had him living in constant fear and played a role in his drug use was actually somebody he was in love with. James's hands are said to shake when he brings out the jewellery. The big question is though, given he claims in court MJ had him living in constant fear for years, suffered panic attacks, anxiety and depression, why has he kept this jewellery supposedly given to him by MJ? Apparently Wade tries to turn on the waterworks at the end, but can't. James has been relatively quiet in all of this up until the documentary, Wade however hasn't. This is a man who sold a story to Radar which had a headline along the lines of 'Wade Robson lawyers request Michael Jackson Estate admit he was anally raped' and had his sister promoting it on Facebook. Wade has happily promoted his abuse. Remember 'my story will make me relatable/relevant' he wrote to himself. These men could give the performance of their lives in this documentary. In this documentary they are unchallenged and not under oath. However, they have told different stories in court and have both lied under oath. If these men are real victims, and want to raise awareness, how does lying under oath and having lawyers harass the likes of Jonathan Spence (who is seen as a victim to them, but maintains he isn't) and Jordan and his family members to be deposed help to raise awareness and respect other supposed victims? |
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 18, 2019 9:49:09 GMT
I just want the whole thing to be over now. Air the damn thing, let them have their fifteen minutes and lets all move on.
We already know what is said, it is just the reaction from the uneducated masses that we, as fans, are dreading.
And you just know that there's going to be plenty of folk standing on their soapboxes, virtue signalling their heads off, acting as if they know all there is to know about MJ just because they watched one four hour documentary. What will irk me the most is that these people think they're even remotely qualified to dismiss the opinions of fans that have spent YEARS following these cases and researching every court transcript, deposition and eye witness account from both sides. Fans who have lived and breathed MJs cases and who know more about the ins and outs of it than even MJs own family and friends, let alone assholes like Dan Reed (who clearly has no interest in basing his programme on easily readily available factual information).
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Post by bedroom on Feb 18, 2019 11:06:33 GMT
I'm extremely optimistic. MJ will have a Gandalf like moment after all this.
edit: I mean reputation wise. not an actual biological rebirth
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Post by ghost on Feb 18, 2019 18:42:27 GMT
I tried posting this yesterday but I couldn't get the picture to upload. This meme describes perfecrly the kind of morons you find on Twitter:  |
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Post by russtcb on Feb 18, 2019 19:14:32 GMT
I just want the whole thing to be over now. Air the damn thing, let them have their fifteen minutes and lets all move on. We already know what is said, it is just the reaction from the uneducated masses that we, as fans, are dreading. And you just know that there's going to be plenty of folk standing on their soapboxes, virtue signalling their heads off, acting as if they know all there is to know about MJ just because they watched one four hour documentary. What will irk me the most is that these people think they're even remotely qualified to dismiss the opinions of fans that have spent YEARS following these cases and researching every court transcript, deposition and eye witness account from both sides. Fans who have lived and breathed MJs cases and who know more about the ins and outs of it than even MJs own family and friends, let alone assholes like Dan Reed (who clearly has no interest in basing his programme on easily readily available factual information). That's exactly where I'm at. I just want it over with. I'm really bracing for the next month and a half though. |
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Post by respect77 on Feb 18, 2019 20:37:18 GMT
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