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Post by pg13 on Feb 13, 2019 13:30:33 GMT
Given a few posts I've seen here clearly demonstrate a lack of understanding and actual knowledge about Northern Ireland, a few myths need both debunking and also contextualising.
The number one current myth is this:
The Good Friday Agreement says there can't be a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Sounds logical and true, right?
Except the GFA does not prohibit any such hard border. In fact, it says nothing at all about it.
Usually, the main thing that is used to shore up the incorrect idea a hard border cannot be erected is the...threat of violence from Republican paramilitaries.
More specifically, the Provisional IRA aka PIRA.
So what? Here, I quote Brian Walker on this who makes a salient point:
Another myth to point out in conjunction with this is:
The Good Friday Agreement is a peace agreement and brought peace to Northern Ireland.
It's not really a peace agreement. Here, I quote Gerry Adams and Ian Paisley, Sr, respectively:
Although Adams does not like to say so, the Agreement was a way for himself and the PIRA leadership to save face, protect their own lives from livid Republicans and to maintain the facade of a PIRA who are undefeated.
In fact, PIRA was riddled with touts right up to the top which is why they suddenly entered into "peace talks".
Then, promptly demanded the Security Forces be cut out of the Agreement which Labour's Tony Blair stupidly agreed to. After all, Blair admired PIRA leaders Adams and McGuinness too much to say no.
The Agreement became a Republican Trojan Horse.
Here's Paisley's view:
Certainly, those in my family old enough to vote and who remember more of the Troubles than I do had a hard time accepting the Agreement.
In particular, the concession to releasing ALL terrorists from both sides irrespective of their atrocities. We believed in law and order.
And serving your full sentence.
Of course, PIRA murdered my uncle in an ambush 30 years ago this month. He'd been driving school kids home in Londonderry's Protestant side, so should have been safe. Hence, our position.
This is the reality of PIRA. They went after soft targets and unarmed people.
I should add that I'm not a Protestant although I am a Unionist. This is another myth to debunk later.
Back to the Agreement. What it actually is......well, it's a sectarian head count.
It deliberately divides elected politicians into Republican/Nationalist and Unionist/Loyalist designations as a result.
It's still adversarial rather than reconciliatory.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 16, 2019 13:06:08 GMT
Northern Ireland is a more dangerous and violent country than the Republic of Ireland.
This is a blatant false assertion and a complete myth. The Republic of Ireland has a crazy gun homicide rate than the UK:
And the Republic of Ireland's gun homicide rate is more than twice as high as that in Northern Ireland:
The reason for this is because the unarmed police force – An Garda Síochána - in the Republic of Ireland is inadequately equipped to deal with paramilitaries in Dublin.
The old Royal Ulster Constabulary and its successor, the Police Service of Northern Ireland is not only much better equipped to deal with paramilitaries.
But are also clearly much better trained as we see here in an extract from "Secret Victory: The Intelligence War That Beat The IRA":
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 6:59:10 GMT
It is also the only part of the UK that bans gay marriage and gays have almost no rights. Conservative religious nut jobs want to keep the people living in the 19th century down to all the grimy terrace houses that people live in built around 1876 by the Congested districts boards.
I think the area is an embarassment to the UK, poor and divided by religion (Really fucking dumb in the 21st century) the fact its full of run down 19th century houses with murals from both sides painted on it, makes it look sad.
Also why it is always cloudy or raining there. Everytime its on the media, its doing that, if not its snowing. Politicians need to go and get real ones, you have that fat hypocrite Ross Hussey who was caught hustling for sex in a sleazy hotel.
The south is rich, progressive and moving ahead, the North is stuck in 1911.
And thats from yer "Plastic Paddy".
Either this place should be forced to accept the rules and laws of the rest of the UK, or join with the Republic.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 17, 2019 13:20:50 GMT
It is also the only part of the UK that bans gay marriage and gays have almost no rights. Conservative religious nut jobs want to keep the people living in the 19th century down to all the grimy terrace houses that people live in built around 1876 by the Congested districts boards. I think the area is an embarassment to the UK, poor and divided by religion (Really fucking dumb in the 21st century) the fact its full of run down 19th century houses with murals from both sides painted on it, makes it look sad. Also why it is always cloudy or raining there. Everytime its on the media, its doing that, if not its snowing. Politicians need to go and get real ones, you have that fat hypocrite Ross Hussey who was caught hustling for sex in a sleazy hotel. The south is rich, progressive and moving ahead, the North is stuck in 1911. And thats from yer "Plastic Paddy". Either this place should be forced to accept the rules and laws of the rest of the UK, or join with the Republic. Embarrassing drivel from a Plastic Paddy. Shall deal with this later.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 17, 2019 14:02:46 GMT
It is also the only part of the UK that bans gay marriage and gays have almost no rights. Whilst gay marriage is not currently legal in Northern Ireland, it will be eventually. It's far, far away from being one of our most pressing issues. But it's nonsense to suggest that gay people have almost no rights. One look at the streets of Belfast during Pride week soon explodes that nonsensical, bigoted, ignorant view! This is a ridiculous hasty generalisation fallacy from someone who's never been to anywhere in Northern Ireland. North Down where I come from has plenty of really nice houses, for example. Belfast and Londonderry is where most of the terrace housing is. Many of them are actually much, much nicer than you'd think. There's certainly lots of new, modern housing built in Northern Ireland as well as the Housing Executive renovating the insides as well as outsides of older housing stock. Northern Ireland isn't divided by religion. The divide is along political lines. Same as in many other places, including Scotland which is increasingly divided along political lines. Again, this simply isn't true. Most of the murals, if not all of them, are situated in Belfast and Londonderry. These are not all painted nor are they all political. For example, there's a mural of the Titanic in East Belfast which is made entirely out of plastic on the walls. Other murals include those commemorating George Best, the Northern Ireland football team, the linen industry history, shipyard workers mural on Sandy Row and even the Legacies and Luminaries mural by artist Dee Craig features famous faces associated with East Belfast, including Sir Van Morrison, CS Lewis, George Best, Danny Blanchflower, Gary Moore and David Holmes. This is the direction our murals are going in. Then there's the popular tourist bus tours when goes round every major political wall mural in Belfast today. All murals are maintained and looked after. Some are changed every so often. Exactly the same weather as the Republic of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England...... List of scandals involving New Zealand politicians - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_scandals_in_New_Zealand#1990s The Republic of Ireland isn't as rich as it suggests, but is obviously richer than Northern Ireland. But the Republic of Ireland is not as progressive as you think considering they don't have an armed Gardai which led to the fact they have a much, much HIGHER gun homicide rate. Northern Ireland is, surprisingly, LESS violent than the Republic in comparison. In fact, the Republic of Ireland is more violent than most European Union member states. Funny that......this isn't progress in my book. And they're not a post-conflict society, so there's no excuse. In fact, the different parts of the UK have completely different rules on the same things. Scotland doesn't have Sunday Trading Laws and does not have the GCSE education system. Amongst a host of other things. The UK is more similar to the United States of America whereby different States have different laws on the same things. Once again, showing your own ignorance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 22:57:33 GMT
Stop calling me names you potato muncher!
You just come across as a very hateful and narrow minded person who just wants to fight and sound like the standard Keyboard warrior. You are not worth the time of day. Go and enjoy your 8 degree rain and mural of George Best (Perish the thought they would show anyone intelligent like a scientist or an academic). It seems sports and entertainment (Mainly of a low kind such as techno music and working man's type comedy) are the pinnacle of achievement.
Northern Ireland - its Kosovo in Britain!
As for no violence, have you forgotten the Troubles in which Northern Ireland became the most violent place in Europe between 1969 and 1994. I have been to the UK (England, Scotland, IOM, Jersey and Wales) and the Republic of Ireland, but not Northern Ireland.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 18, 2019 8:32:39 GMT
Stop calling me names you potato muncher! You just come across as a very hateful and narrow minded person who just wants to fight and sound like the standard Keyboard warrior. You are not worth the time of day. Go and enjoy your 8 degree rain and mural of George Best (Perish the thought they would show anyone intelligent like a scientist or an academic). It seems sports and entertainment (Mainly of a low kind such as techno music and working man's type comedy) are the pinnacle of achievement. Northern Ireland - its Kosovo in Britain! As for no violence, have you forgotten the Troubles in which Northern Ireland became the most violent place in Europe between 1969 and 1994. I have been to the UK (England, Scotland, IOM, Jersey and Wales) and the Republic of Ireland, but not Northern Ireland. Embarrassing outburst in a post that displays your continued bigoted, ignorant attitude. Projecting your nonsense onto others as usual. Didn't you get the memo? To all intents and purposes, the Troubles has been over for 20 years. And the Republic of Ireland has been a more violent place to live in than Northern Ireland. Dublin has a HIGHER gun homicide rate than the whole of Northern Ireland. If anyone isn't worth the time of day here, it seems to be you. I see now why several people here tend to ignore you. I pity you....
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Post by pg13 on Jun 3, 2019 13:35:25 GMT
Ireland and its people were always one united people until the English invaded.
This is a deliberate misrepresenting and omission of history because there was never a single, united people on the island of Ireland before the English.
To know more about the Great Wall Of Ulster, this excerpt is from Lisburn.com:
And, to this very day, there is no such thing as a single, united people on the island of Ireland. The existence of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland as two separate countries is more than enough proof of that.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 3, 2019 13:39:22 GMT
I have been to the UK (England, Scotland, IOM, Jersey and Wales) and the Republic of Ireland, but not Northern Ireland. You're also utterly clueless. The UK does NOT consist of the Isle Of Man or Jersey at all! 🤣 They're British Crown Dependencies. The United Kingdom is only England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Hence, the full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Before you try playing with the big boys and throwing around your own bigotry, perhaps you should read a bit of British history?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 18:48:07 GMT
I am a Republican and fiercely pro irish and anti British, so we will never agree. If I lived there I would vote Sinn Fein everytime.
Unionists are bigots, Republicans are open minded and pro European.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 3, 2019 20:31:42 GMT
I am a Republican and fiercely pro irish and anti British, so we will never agree. If I lived there I would vote Sinn Fein everytime. Unionists are bigots, Republicans are open minded and pro European. Republicans aren't open minded and they're very obviously terrorist glorifiers. You cannot condemn the act of terrorism in New Zealand and then support Sinn Fein on the other hand. Very funny how you ignored the fact you got the actual composition of the UK completely wrong. But thank God a raging racist and bigot like yourself is on the other side of the world. 👍
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Post by pg13 on Jun 3, 2019 21:18:17 GMT
Unionists are bigots, Republicans are open minded and pro European. Absurd sweeping statement. Unionism and Republicanism both have a range of views on various subjects. For example, Peadar Toibin who had been a Sinn Fein member for 21 years was suspended for voting against abortion regulations, if memory serves. Tyrone Pro-Life Network is a Republican group which is against abortion. I could list more, but there's no need to do so. On the other side, there are Ulster Unionists who are in favour of the extension of the UK 1967 Abortion Act to Northern Ireland: Chris McGimpsey, Rodney McCune, John Stewart, Julia Kee, Sam Nicholson and Philip Smith. You speak as if Sinn Fein are themselves open minded and respectful of other people and their rights. In fact, this is nothing more than a facade, a front designed to make them look good to useful idiots. As accidentally betrayed by Gerry Adams when he was still President of Sinn Fein: "[/QUOTE] Unsurprisingly, Adams was criticised by every party in Northern Ireland. Under no circumstances should equality be used as a political weapon by anyone. Respect is a two way street. So, you support Sinn Fein. A party that simply pretends to care about equality and glorifies acts of PIRA terrorism at exactly the same time. You could easily have supported the Social And Democratic Labour Party (SDLP). They're a Nationalist party and their former leader, John Hume jointly won a Nobel Peace Prize with the Ulster Unionist Party's former leader, David Trimble. How many Nobel Peace Prizes does Sinn Fein have? None. But you chose to support a party that's unapologetically the political wing of a terrorist organisation and a party for whom equality is merely a weapon to use. At the same time, you condemn the act of terrorism in New Zealand whilst gunning for anything remotely Right Wing. You, sir, are a tool and an idiot of the highest order. And a confused individual.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 4:37:20 GMT
I am baiting you as this Michael Jackson board is the wrong place for your nonsensical Northern Ireland politics ranting. No one else has even bothered answering it as we don't give a flying fuck about it.
And you calling me names - what are you like 12 or something - grow up and get some fucking balls.
I really think having politics and religion threads on forum boards about Musical artists is the stupidest idea and many a geat member has found themselves banned because their views on religion, race or sexual identify offend the powers that be and don't fit the mainstream politically correct bullshit in the world.
As far as I am concerned, all forms of religion and all politicians suck. I am an anarchist in case you have not picked that up now and an atheist socialist and proud of it. I laugh at places like Northern Ireland with its antiquated Presbyterians banning gay mariages and abortions, because they still think its 1560 and the same with Catholics who think bone poor people spitting out baby after baby because they can't take birth control because some 80 year pedo priest in Rome bans it are FUCKING stupid.
The world is evolving towards Pacificism. The elimination or religions and racial divisions will see an end to war and a rise in global intelligence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 4:41:33 GMT
And more of, Respect is a two way street!
You have done nothing but hurl abuse and insults at me, here and on all the other threads. You are a maggoty troll of the worst order, one of the first things you called me was a Plastic Paddy - well there is a good reason why most of the Irish with an IQ of above say 76 left Ireland to come to parts of the world where their religion and politics did not mean jackshit.
You add nothing positive to these boards and I have seen precious little of your input on Michael Jackson that has not insulted some one else for having views different to yours. You live in a narrow little box and should stay there.
U love Ian Paisley and Mo Mowlam (And Porbably Ross Hussey too) - who the FUCK cares.
If I ran this board I would ban your butt for life and send a warning out to every other forum bioard in the world to blacklist you.
See ya bitch, I am blocking your butt now.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 4, 2019 8:22:54 GMT
And more of, Respect is a two way street! You have done nothing but hurl abuse and insults at me, here and on all the other threads. Yes, respect is a two way street which you have declined to do with various people here. Before I came here, I was told all about how racist you are and how everyone here kicked your ass.
Yes, which is actually an accurate description for a person like yourself who acted like he was knowledgeable about anything on the island of Ireland.
Until I saw your nonsense which I then deconstructed. So, yes, you're a Plastic Paddy as you've an incredible number of delusions.
And you just threw the Republic of Ireland under the bus too. Funny....you claimed to be a Republican and a supporter of Sinn Fein.
Sinn Fein wouldn't appreciate your comments there.
Yep, definitely a Plastic Paddy.
You add nothing positive to these boards and I have seen precious little of your input on Michael Jackson that has not insulted some one else for having views different to yours.
On the contrary, you're the only person on here who has needed a virtual slap.
Everything else is contributing to the discussion, especially regarding LN.
As I said, you were outed here as a racist and you were told by a mod to stop being racist publicly too.
Hmm, nope. Couldn't give a monkeys about Paisley who I never liked. Mo Mowlam? She was a Labour politician - strange how you are against her when she is a left wing politician who played a role in the peace process. 🤔 Like Paisley, she's dead.
[/QUOTE] Pot, kettle, black. You're in a glass house given your history on here of bigotry and racism.
It shows that you do not like being exposed or challenged. Perhaps it's you who should be blacklisted?
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