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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 3:19:36 GMT
The Sun!!!!
It was nearly impossible to read it - given all the pops up and moving video screen that blocks the words. Surely after proof the building wa snot there, they would accept it - but no "The Tabloids against Michael Jackson united front of mendax" is stronger than ever. Slowly the made up lies in the documentary are being unveiled.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 7:38:01 GMT
One really bad video I found here, suggests that Michael and Vanity (Denise Matthews) had a relationship in the mid 1980s. It is full of mistake and the guy sounds slower than Barry White in speech.
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Post by Russg on May 16, 2019 6:46:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 10:52:13 GMT
What can he do though, the Sun is in the UK, I doubt Taj even knows or cares, it was Joe who once thought the USA was the whole world. These are sadly not schooled up people.
Still the headline is sick and stinks of complete Tabloid bullshit. I have always thought papers that are obsessed with calling people paedophiles, may be composed by paedophiles themselves. Now with Kyle gone and an enquiry into Tabloid television, maybe tabloid papers may be next.
Why the hell did I click on that link, story has nothing new, doctor likely a phony and it showed those pictures of Michael cuddling Safechuck, Macauly Culkin and a TV still of him with Gavin shit for brains Arvisio.
Even worse was a side link saying that the guy who topped himself over Jeremy Kyle was a "PAEDO" and a line asking people to give stories as they pay cash - absolute gutter trash.
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Post by ghost on May 16, 2019 13:08:43 GMT
What can he do though, the Sun is in the UK, I doubt Taj even knows or cares, it was Joe who once thought the USA was the whole world. These are sadly not schooled up people. Still the headline is sick and stinks of complete Tabloid bullshit. I have always thought papers that are obsessed with calling people paedophiles, may be composed by paedophiles themselves. Now with Kyle gone and an enquiry into Tabloid television, maybe tabloid papers may be next. Why the hell did I click on that link, story has nothing new, doctor likely a phony and it showed those pictures of Michael cuddling Safechuck, Macauly Culkin and a TV still of him with Gavin shit for brains Arvisio. Even worse was a side link saying that the guy who topped himself over Jeremy Kyle was a "PAEDO" and a line asking people to give stories as they pay cash - absolute gutter trash. The article doesn’t match the headline. The doctor doesn’t once imply that he thinks MJ is guilty, if anything he seems to suggest the opposite. typical misleading click-bait headline and yet I still clicked on it. Should’ve known better.
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Post by barbee on May 18, 2019 4:02:00 GMT
What can he do though, the Sun is in the UK, I doubt Taj even knows or cares, it was Joe who once thought the USA was the whole world. These are sadly not schooled up people. Still the headline is sick and stinks of complete Tabloid bullshit. I have always thought papers that are obsessed with calling people paedophiles, may be composed by paedophiles themselves. Now with Kyle gone and an enquiry into Tabloid television, maybe tabloid papers may be next. Why the hell did I click on that link, story has nothing new, doctor likely a phony and it showed those pictures of Michael cuddling Safechuck, Macauly Culkin and a TV still of him with Gavin shit for brains Arvisio. Even worse was a side link saying that the guy who topped himself over Jeremy Kyle was a "PAEDO" and a line asking people to give stories as they pay cash - absolute gutter trash. The article doesn’t match the headline. The doctor doesn’t once imply that he thinks MJ is guilty, if anything he seems to suggest the opposite. typical misleading click-bait headline and yet I still clicked on it. Should’ve known better. Yes, this doctor has several interviews in different newspapers-although they are so similar, I think they are all cut and paste jobs. He just wrote a biography. None of the articles match that insane headline. The only time they talk about kids is when he's asked if Michael liked kids more than adults and he answers "Probably." He also said the not wanting to grow up is like a celebrity thing. He also says he's the one who did the propofol during the HIStory tour and other things. He went to prison for some reason-not clear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 8:47:15 GMT
The latest gossip crap from our local rag the NZME controlled Herald - www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12242794An article about how Michael had a creepy doll on his bed and shows photos of all the drug needles. This is still what our media thinks of Michael Jackson, basically as a drug addled weirdo with a dodgy past and at the very best a forgotten and pathetic ex celebrity - at worst a dangerous and arrogant paedophile. Seeing these articles makes me angry, especially as I deliver this newspaper for a living. NZME is also the company that controls 95% of our radio stations and maintaining its ban of Michael and Jackson songs due to a code of "Family friendly entertainment" in which music of suspected or known perverts is banned.
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Post by Russg on Jun 25, 2019 8:24:41 GMT
Critic's Notebook:
Jonny Coleman 19 hrs ago
Michael Jackson, the King of Pop and alleged serial child abuser who was so heavily indemnified by his wealth and power within the entertainment industry that he was never held accountable for his crimes, died 10 years ago tomorrow. Like it or not, that's likely how he will always be remembered, and that's probably the only remotely moral way to frame him: as a talented person believed to have hurt a lot of people without ever paying during his lifetime for the damage he allegedly caused.
A decade ago, Jackson was preparing to mount a theoretical comeback, several years removed from his then-most recent allegations of abuse and a few years after selling his fabled retreat from reality, Neverland Ranch. He hadn't made a record people cared about in decades and was engaging in all sorts of high-risk behavior, like hiring his own rogue anesthesiologist.
He died at his home in Holmby Hills of medical complications due to anesthesia, and his public funeral was a massive sold-out ceremony at the Staples Center in Los Angeles that itself became its own grotesque media moment, with some sources claiming it was viewed by a billion people. Jackson had already faced public scrutiny for sexual abuse of children, but for many of his fans, those allegations were dismissed when he was found not guilty in a 2005 criminal trial.
But this year, his die-hard fans have had to confront a much more damning wave of survivors coming forward to detail how Jackson's "seduction" and sexual manipulations of young boys played out over decades. Leaving Neverland, a two-part documentary by Dan Reed, was released just three months ago, and captured the world's attention with its unflinching portrayal of survivors and families left in Jackson's wake.
The piece, immediately denounced by the Jackson estate, detailed the stories of Wade Robson and James Safechuck, two survivors of Jackson's predatory behavior with young boys, reopening the pop culture discourse on decades of controversy surrounding the pop star's inappropriate relationship with children.
More so than the many other times these allegations were brought forward while Jackson was still alive, Reed's film offered proof beyond any that had come before it. Skeptics, of course, were quick to cry foul. One example that sticks out is a claim that Safechuck's story about Jackson buying the young boy jewelry was preposterous. But that was before surveillance footage of the incident was tracked down, verifying Safechuck's claim.
Did Michael Jackson have a difficult childhood? Yes. Is that an excuse for any of his behavior as an adult who clearly knew the difference between right and wrong, as evidenced by his elaborate methods of covering his tracks? Of course not.
So, what is his legacy? Reed sums up the inherent tension in Michael Jackson as a pop figure in a recent interview, "His songs are like the soundtrack to happy moments in people's lives and he was so famous. People just can't grasp both the fact that he was this guy who wrote these songs that are enduring and woven into the fabric of our culture, and also that Michael the human being liked to have sex with little boys. Those two facts simply do not fit in the same narrative."
The sunny exuberance, the hopeful naivete of most of Jackson's musical output suggest a world where atrocities like rape and war crimes don't exist. But his world is a fantasy, a work of pure escapist fiction for a man who couldn't confront his own festering darkness. Michael Jackson sold a lot of records in his lifetime and a lot of those records are cherished by millions of people. But so have a lot of people who didn't abuse children for decades.
Jackson's story is unusual and unlike any others in its scope and tragic detail, but sadly it's not unique. Though he died in 2009, Jackson is a powerful symbol for the '00s, an almost perfect archetype of this cultural epoch, where extremely rich, extremely abusive men who make a lot of money for other rich men, are allowed to get away with their transgressions in broad daylight.
We're arguably more aware than ever of all the nasty things our public officials are doing, and yet most of us feel completely powerless to fight back, tacitly cognizant of the strength of institutions but with little concept of how to attack. You can see this sort of futility play out in corporate-backed initiatives like #TimesUp, which are, in some ways, built to fail because there's no way protectors of entrenched power like CAA can actually indict the model that keeps itself propped up. And we know that abuse is propagated not just by abusers like Jackson, but handlers, producers, studio heads, record execs, publicists, managers, marketers and lawyers who do their dirty work and maintain their brands, all while remaining silent.
It's also no coincidence that director John Landis (who made the iconic music video for Jackson's "Thriller") makes a cameo in Reed's Leaving Neverland. Landis famously walked away from the deaths on his set of three actors (two of them children who were decapitated; one of them, Vic Morrow, the father of Jennifer Jason Leigh) while directing a scene for Twilight Zone: The Movie.
Not only did Landis weather this act of gross negligence legally unscathed, he was also able to continue to direct movies for a long time after. This week, his son Max Landis is facing another round of women coming forward who have survived many forms of his alleged abuse. And in the same week, O.J. Simpson announces his return to the public discourse by joining Twitter.
Meanwhile we still have an abusive, unaccountable child who refuses to grow up for president, a Congress mired in its own corporate self-interest and scores of Hollywood heavies who have been "#MeToo'ed" but have yet to see any actual accountability for their actions, beyond professional careers in limbo: Louis C.K., Kevin Spacey, Bryan Singer.
You could write a list of (almost entirely) men that is hundreds of pages long, and it would be littered with Hollywood's protected players. The fact that Michael Jackson could get away with this inappropriate behavior for so long in a very overt fashion gives power and cover to all the new abusers emerging in his wake. Michael Jackson is long dead. Let's keep confronting the abusers who are still alive.
Michael Jackson was a pop culture hero for much of his life. But, in death, his musical legacy will forever be tethered to his legacy of alleged abuse, which is the closest thing to justice that anyone will ever get with him.
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Post by MattyJam on Jun 25, 2019 8:28:34 GMT
Well, thanks for posting that one today, russg. Ugh.
What do we do with his legacy? What kind of question is that, really? What do you do with anyones legacy? A legacy just is, you can't do anything with it.
MJs legacy is that he is loved and admired the world over for his amazing music. The medias portrayal of him tries desperately to create an alternative legacy, and those who choose to buy into that will no doubt view MJ somewhat differently, but the days of the media controlling the narrative of public opinion are long gone. It probably kills the people in power that they don't harness the same level of mind-control they used to, but hey, that's one of the best things about the internet age.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 25, 2019 10:07:15 GMT
I'm not sure what's the purpose of posting garbage like this today.
I read it until the author wrote surveillance footage of MJ and Safechuck in a jewelry store verified Safechuck's claims. That footage is out there for decades. Probably it inspired Safechuck's made up allegation in the first place. And of course it doesn't prove the mock wedding, which is the preposterous part.
Funny he does not mention all the facts that came out since that refute Safechuck and Robson’s stories.
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Post by TonyR on Jun 25, 2019 11:58:09 GMT
FFS, so even MJ forums are not a refuge.
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Post by Russg on Jun 25, 2019 12:51:10 GMT
Woah, don't shoot the messenger - I didn't write it! I did post it in the Tabloid section.
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Post by TonyR on Jun 25, 2019 12:52:50 GMT
Woah, don't shoot the messenger - I didn't write it! I did post it in the Tabloid section. True. It's my own fault for going into this section. Although I don't see the point in posting. That's just me!
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Post by Russg on Jun 25, 2019 12:56:37 GMT
Woah, don't shoot the messenger - I didn't write it! I did post it in the Tabloid section. True. It's my own fault for going into this section. Although I don't see the point in posting. That's just me! I was just pissed off when I saw it and wanted to share it. We discuss the good and bad on this board, so I'm not sure why this (albeit vile) article is any different?
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Post by respect77 on Jun 25, 2019 13:11:14 GMT
It's not a tabloid section. There's one thread dedicated to tabloid articles not this whole section. Let's not turn this into a "tabloid section".
The confusion I have with you is that you seem to gravitate to the negative and trashy and I'm often not sure what the intention is. What's to discuss here? Especially today.
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