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Post by Liberian Girl on May 2, 2019 6:39:37 GMT
There seems to be a growing number of far right supporters & groups across Europe. I know in the UK we've seen a lot of it, certain groups gaining in popularity etc. I recently read that a right wing group in Spain has done really well in elections there.
Why do you think this could be? There has to be a cause on the political spectrum making the scales tilt like this. A lot of people seem frustrated & are taking it out by supporting such groups.
I'm curious as I don't think Europe has seen things like this for many years.
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Post by respect77 on May 2, 2019 11:24:58 GMT
There's a lot of dissatisfaction with how the regressive left and "liberal" elite handles things. I think that's a big reason of the shift. Obviously the answer to those problems isn't the far right, but the rise of the far right and populism is always a symptom of the system not working well.
Those who call themselves "liberal" these days aren't really liberal. They are shouting down and putting labels on everyone who doesn't agree with the partyline. "You are a -phobe", "You are a victim shamer", you are this, you are that. People are banned from speaking at Universities if they step out of line. Recently I've seen how lesbian tennis legend Martina Navratilova was stripped all of her titles in LGBTQ organizations just because she dared to raise the issue that transwomen have a physical advantage over biological women in sports therefore they should not compete with biological women. She was called a transphobe and what not. Just for talking sense. This is just one example that I read about recently. But this is so typical of this current regressive left. They don't debate, don't argue. They shame people if they disagree. This is not liberalism!
I think a lot of people are frustrated with these tendencies and they are voting for the far right and populists as a fuck you to this so called "left-liberal elite" and these tendencies. I would never do that personally, because the far right will only make things worse and they don't offer a solution. In terms of my political, social opinions I'm more liberal than anything, but I'm extremely frustrated with this so called "liberal elite" and media.
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Post by ghost on May 3, 2019 5:59:07 GMT
There is a far-right group in the UK called For Britain that have received a lot of criticism for being supposedly anti-Islam. I've heard a few speeches online from its leader Ann Marie Waters, and she maintains a very strong anti-immigration stance, which has nothing to do with Muslims, and everything to do with overcrowding, housing shortages and a concern for cultural compatibility. But if you so much as express any of these concerns in public these days, you are denounced as a racist or a Nazi.
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Post by pg13 on May 7, 2019 8:21:28 GMT
There seems to be a growing number of far right supporters & groups across Europe. I know in the UK we've seen a lot of it, certain groups gaining in popularity etc. I recently read that a right wing group in Spain has done really well in elections there. Why do you think this could be? There has to be a cause on the political spectrum making the scales tilt like this. A lot of people seem frustrated & are taking it out by supporting such groups.Β I'm curious as I don't think Europe has seen things like this for many years.Β What I find more interesting is the tendency to overlook far left groups,especially those that carry out violence which they then try to use their politics to justify. As far as I can see, there's very little difference between Antifa and Saoradh aka Sad Act. Also, right wing isn't the same thing as far right which I'm seeing a lot of people doing these days. Much the same as how left wing isn't far left. As for the topic, any time you see any far right or left group emerge or gain, look towards economic factors. What's the availability of jobs like in areas where they gain? What's the impact of austerity in those areas? No surprise that these things generally occur in areas where there's pressure. In cities, it might be immigration and lack of jobs. In rural areas, it might be austerity policies affecting quality of life in most ways. Indeed, the same factors also leads to terrorism. More likely to be predominant in rural areas than major cities for various reasons, especially in terms of the Security Forces dealing with them more efficiently.
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Post by respect77 on May 7, 2019 18:49:07 GMT
There seems to be a growing number of far right supporters & groups across Europe. I know in the UK we've seen a lot of it, certain groups gaining in popularity etc. I recently read that a right wing group in Spain has done really well in elections there. Why do you think this could be? There has to be a cause on the political spectrum making the scales tilt like this. A lot of people seem frustrated & are taking it out by supporting such groups. I'm curious as I don't think Europe has seen things like this for many years. What I find more interesting is the tendency to overlook far left groups,especially those that carry out violence which they then try to use their politics to justify. As far as I can see, there's very little difference between Antifa and Saoradh aka Sad Act. Also, right wing isn't the same thing as far right which I'm seeing a lot of people doing these days. Much the same as how left wing isn't far left.
I agree that the media is more forgiving towards left extremists than right extremists. You hardly ever hear them going on about Antifa, while they are just as violent as any right wing extremist group. We hear a lot about the horrors of the nazis in the media, but much less about the horrors of Stalin and other communist regimes.
Also left wing extremist views are a lot more tolerated or even embraced by the mainstream media than right wing extremist views. For example, it is not rare to read some extreme feminazi BS on outlets like Huffington Post or even big name mainstream publications, but you won't see them give space (not in a supportive way) to, say, Man's Rights Activists. There are definitely double standards there.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 6:01:24 GMT
Right wing racism sucks and its obvious its growing in popularity, Trump, the far right fool in Austria and the Australians voting in the same Liberals (Liberals in Australia are not really liberal, they are a pack of racist white supremacist anti immigration creeps) who send home every brown skinned New Zealander who gets a parking ticket.
And Boris Johnson may be the next UK Prime Minister? Thank God for my country where left wing socialism is in control with a 38 year old woman who loves all minorities and even wore a burqa to support Muslims. The other bright spots are the Irish PM (Indian?) and Justin Trudeau in Canada.
Yet at the same time - Political correctness has gone too far and this pisses a lot of people of. Greivance councillors for Muslims who feel insulted, Blacks playing the race card, news reports eliminating news on Crime waves in London and Germany caused by Muslim migrants and the rampaging Sudanese gangs terrorising Melbourne.
I don't think we should go back to the racism and segregation of the past and hatred between groups, but we have gone TOO FAR to the other extreme, take school we don't have sadistic teachers and nuns beating kids anymore, but now the little devils have too many rights, you can't force them to work or learn, they need to be "creative" and u can't take them off their damn phones.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 6:02:00 GMT
PS all the stuff about me being a Muslim was fake. I am 100% Agnostic Jew/Catholic
(That may silence everyone who think I am a raging anti semite).
I don't think people should be shot or killed over their religion, but I do believe people should adapt to the ways of a country they move too, and Muslims need to treat women with respect and realise that gays have full rights and religion does not dominate our lives and government.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 3, 2019 20:37:52 GMT
PS all the stuff about me being a Muslim was fake. I am 100% Agnostic Jew/Catholic (That may silence everyone who think I am a raging anti semite). I don't think people should be shot or killed over their religion, but I do believe people should adapt to the ways of a country they move too, and Muslims need to treat women with respect and realise that gays have full rights and religion does not dominate our lives and government. Extremely ironic that you support Sinn Fein given they're extremely unapologetic about the fact they are the biggest takers of life in Northern Ireland. And the biggest infringement of human and civil rights too. Just look at what they did to Bernard Teggart, Captain Nairac, Joanne Mathers and atrocities such as La Mon as well as forcing Patsy Gillespie into being a human bomb. Of course, we have the fact Republicans continue to murder people in Northern Ireland today. Not to mention their child abuse which includes sexual abuse and shooting kids in the kneecaps. An individual such as yourself cannot talk about respect for others given this. Not to mention your clear racist attitudes prevalent on here throughout your membership.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 5:16:33 GMT
So what
Right wing politics is surging because alot of people are sick of uncontrolled migration from the 3rd world and the cost and energy it takes to set these people up and provide for them. People are sick of liberal policies that cost huge amounts of social investments and get virtually no returns.
Here in New Zealand, we throw millions of dollars at social programmes to help 3rd world migrants and Pacific Islanders and yet 90% of them up being failures, commiting crimes, being unemployed and contributing nothing to society, but super quick to complain at any instance of racism. Programmes punish the rest of us for their failures, pools need fences because some unsupervised Pacifci island children drowned in them. Workplaces have drug tests now due to Polynesian workers going to work drunk and stoned. Neighbourhoods with an exclusively non white population are unsafe. That all can't be racism. I am a self hating brown person because all I see is buffoonery and failure.
I live in a white neighbourhood with a few Chinese (Harmless and hard working people). I see a white person at night, unless its an obvious drunk or druggie, I feel very safe. No one has broken into our house, we can leave our cars out, even the lawnmower out for a couple of hours and we know its still there when we come back. Not in a brown neighbourhood, it will be gone or vandalised. Our city puts up newly designed glass bus shelters, in a week they are vandalised and broken by feral packs of Pacific Island and immigrant teens.
Schools can't cope due to violent and unintelligent brown students and foreigners who speak no English, yet they all know their rights and teachers can't complain or they are sacked for not being politically correct enough.
Populism, is solving these issues. I just wish we had more intelligent and calm ones and not the loud mouths like Trump, Farage and Le Pen
The 1st world has built a largely successful society with no help from the 3rd, yet every tinme there is a coup, a famine or natural disaster we are expected to help them, yet they talk trash behind our backs and spend all their money on building mosques and temples, beefing up their armies and corrupt elite siphoning off development aid for themselves, while the people suffer (Most of Africa, Latin America and Asia outside Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong.
I don't feel safe now when I see a Pacific Islander, a Maori or any other dark skinned person at night - why is that? Can't be racism.
I used to be a left wing idealist and racial equality lover, but now I know, these people hate us and are so insanely jealous of our success through sacrifice, they want to kill us. No amount of money or PC programmes will stop a criminal foreigner with a low level of intelligence and insatiable greed stop doing what they do.
I vote conservative in every election and also ACT a party that is againsty any form of Ethnic privilege or politically correct crap.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 4, 2019 8:35:01 GMT
So what Right wing politics is surging because alot of people are sick of uncontrolled migration from the 3rd world and the cost and energy it takes to set these people up and provide for them. People are sick of liberal policies that cost huge amounts of social investments and get virtually no returns. Here in New Zealand, we throw millions of dollars at social programmes to help 3rd world migrants and Pacific Islanders and yet 90% of them up being failures, commiting crimes, being unemployed and contributing nothing to society, but super quick to complain at any instance of racism. Programmes punish the rest of us for their failures, pools need fences because some unsupervised Pacifci island children drowned in them. Workplaces have drug tests now due to Polynesian workers going to work drunk and stoned. Neighbourhoods with an exclusively non white population are unsafe. That all can't be racism. I am a self hating brown person because all I see is buffoonery and failure. I live in a white neighbourhood with a few Chinese (Harmless and hard working people). I see a white person at night, unless its an obvious drunk or druggie, I feel very safe. No one has broken into our house, we can leave our cars out, even the lawnmower out for a couple of hours and we know its still there when we come back. Not in a brown neighbourhood, it will be gone or vandalised. Our city puts up newly designed glass bus shelters, in a week they are vandalised and broken by feral packs of Pacific Island and immigrant teens. Schools can't cope due to violent and unintelligent brown students and foreigners who speak no English, yet they all know their rights and teachers can't complain or they are sacked for not being politically correct enough. Populism, is solving these issues. I just wish we had more intelligent and calm ones and not the loud mouths like Trump, Farage and Le Pen The 1st world has built a largely successful society with no help from the 3rd, yet every tinme there is a coup, a famine or natural disaster we are expected to help them, yet they talk trash behind our backs and spend all their money on building mosques and temples, beefing up their armies and corrupt elite siphoning off development aid for themselves, while the people suffer (Most of Africa, Latin America and Asia outside Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong. I don't feel safe now when I see a Pacific Islander, a Maori or any other dark skinned person at night - why is that? Can't be racism. I used to be a left wing idealist and racial equality lover, but now I know, these people hate us and are so insanely jealous of our success through sacrifice, they want to kill us. No amount of money or PC programmes will stop a criminal foreigner with a low level of intelligence and insatiable greed stop doing what they do. I vote conservative in every election and also ACT a party that is againsty any form of Ethnic privilege or politically correct crap. So what? Basically, terrorism from the left wing who claim to be Marxist Socialists (Sinn Fein) is OK as far as you're concerned? But terrorism in New Zealand isn't? You're blatantly either confused or trolling this section. So, you say you're no longer left leaning? Yet you've been going in harshly on right wing parties which isn't the same thing as far right. This is you on the 24th May: What kind of politics do you like Don't answer if you don't vote, don't care or live in a non democratic country like China, Vietnam, USA or Iran. With all these unpopular right wing governments in power and the rise of racist and populist pork barrel politicians like Donald shit for brains Trump. I am super left and love people's socialism myself.Like I said, you're either one very confused person or you're simply a troll. Either way, you look silly.
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