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Post by ghost on Sept 26, 2019 7:58:54 GMT
What's with grown men foaming at the mouth about young foreign woman trying to make a positive change?
This young girl seems more intelligent and articulate than the majority of politicians out there.
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Post by Russg on Sept 26, 2019 8:16:23 GMT
Why should any adults believe this child? What credentials does she have?
Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that this kid, who has zero scientific training and some mental health issues, is obviously being used as a mouthpiece.
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Post by HIStoric on Sept 26, 2019 8:24:14 GMT
I think she's awesome. She's bringing lots of attention towards climate change, and has inspired millions of people around the globe to protest and make their voices heard. I'm glad that even at 16 years old, she's not afraid to stand up at the UN and call out all of the leaders for their inaction. I find it bizarre why so many people are against her and her message. See, I totally believe that gay marriage should be legalised everywhere, I also support a woman's right to abortion but I can also see where people who disagree with me come from. I understand that homosexuality may be against their religious beliefs, or that they see abortion as the act of killing a living being. I can see where they're coming from. But the fight for climate change? Why would you be against trying to help the environment? Heaven forbid all the big corporations have to spend more as a result of legislation that could significantly help us in the future 🙄 Heaven forbid we actually heed the word of scientists and work towards making this planet better? Why should any adults believe this child? What credentials does she have? Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that this kid, who has zero scientific training and some mental health issues, is obviously being used as a mouthpiece.
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Post by Russg on Sept 26, 2019 8:41:50 GMT
I think she's awesome. She's bringing lots of attention towards climate change, and has inspired millions of people around the globe to protest and make their voices heard. I'm glad that even at 16 years old, she's not afraid to stand up at the UN and call out all of the leaders for their inaction. I find it bizarre why so many people are against her and her message. See, I totally believe that gay marriage should be legalised everywhere, I also support a woman's right to abortion but I can also see where people who disagree with me come from. I understand that homosexuality may be against their religion, or that they see abortion as literally killing a living child. I can see where they're coming from. But the fight for climate change? Why would you be against trying to help the environment? Heaven forbid all the big corporations have to spend more as a result of legislation that could significantly help us in the future 🙄 Heaven forbid we actually heed the word of scientists and work towards making this planet better? Why should any adults believe this child? What credentials does she have? Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that this kid, who has zero scientific training and some mental health issues, is obviously being used as a mouthpiece. I think she comes off as condescending and entitled. It's hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we fucked up the planet. Back in the 60s and 70s, not a plastic bottle to be seen, it was all glass that was reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food and brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4Ib put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yo to 16yo, instead of jumping in Mummy's 4x4. No MacDonalds or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we had newspapers to wrap our hot food in. Our milk was delivered at 5am 6 days a week, by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle. Holidays were in a caravan in a local area, people hardly went abroad and used aeroplanes to far off destinations. I think these youngsters need to take a long hard look in a recycled mirror and ask themselves who's wasteful generation is really responsible for messing up the planet.
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Post by HIStoric on Sept 26, 2019 9:16:30 GMT
It's hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we fucked up the planet. Back in the 60s and 70s, not a plastic bottle to be seen, it was all glass that was reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food and brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4Ib put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yo to 16yo, instead of jumping in Mummy's 4x4. No MacDonalds or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we had newspapers to wrap our hot food in. Our milk was delivered at 5am 6 days a week, by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle. Holidays were in a caravan in a local area, people hardly went abroad and used aeroplanes to far off destinations. I think these youngsters need to take a long hard look in a recycled mirror and ask themselves who's wasteful generation is really responsible for messing up the planet. I mean, it's still not the youngsters who's generation is responsible for messing up the planet. They weren't the ones who implemented all of those changes. To cite your examples, Coca-Cola introduced plastic bottles in 1978, McDonalds introduced Happy Meals in 1979, the idea of the Milk-man largely dropped off in the 1970s it seems as supermarkets took over, plastic bags were introduced in the 1970s with 75% of US supermarkets offering them by 1985. All those changes were implemented and standardized by adults many decades ago, so I don't really see how you can blame the younger generations for being the most wasteful when they didn't really have any say in the matter?
That's the world they grew up in, they didn't have any control over that stuff when they were younger... ...but now that they're old enough to have their voices heard and registered, they're standing up and making it clear that they want there to be change. I think that's the main thing.
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Post by MattyJam on Sept 26, 2019 9:19:29 GMT
Why should any adults believe this child? What credentials does she have? Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that this kid, who has zero scientific training and some mental health issues, is obviously being used as a mouthpiece. Aspergers is a condition, not "mental health issues."
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Post by SoCav on Sept 26, 2019 9:40:09 GMT
I feel sorry for her. People do not seem to realize that this is not an average child, who just happens to be very passionate about climate change. This is a girl with Asperger's and OCD. Her UN speech is being lauded for its passionate delivery, but imo what's on display there is genuine fear and anxiety. Not the type that the average person may feel about issues they care about - the type you feel strongly about but that does not wholly consume you - but the type stemming from the obsessiveness that characterizes her developmental disorder.
Her obsession with climate change was cited as being a big part of the reason why she became severely depressed, stopped eating and going to school, and refused to speak to anyone outside of her family and a teacher, when she was 11. All alarm bells should have gone off at that point, and she should have been protected. Instead, she was hoisted into the spotlight.
All the attention she is receiving now, both the negative (ridiculous mockery etc) and positive, won't do her any good imo. I feel she's being exploited.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Sept 26, 2019 14:36:37 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Sept 26, 2019 17:23:12 GMT
But the fight for climate change? Why would you be against trying to help the environment? Heaven forbid all the big corporations have to spend more as a result of legislation that could significantly help us in the future 🙄 Heaven forbid we actually heed the word of scientists and work towards making this planet better?
Those people dispute that climate change is man-made and that humans can do much about it. They feel that climate change awareness is really just a tool for left wing politics to get into power and I think they feel people like Greta are pawns in an emotionally manipulative game. In this case, for example they circulated a photo where Greta and both of her parents are seen in Antifa t-shirts. Others pointed out how Greta specifically called out Germany, France, Turkey, Argentina and Brazil (she and 15 other youngsters are suing these countries), but not the biggest polluters of the world: USA, China, India, Russia - that it feels a bit hypocritical and political.
But putting aside possible political motives behind this topic, the bottom line is if it is true that the climate changes because of human activity. I'd really love to know the answer to it. To be honest, I haven't studied this subject that deeply to know if it is right to say human CO2 emission is responsible for the changing climate. I know the media says that most scientists by now agree that it is. But then I also hear arguments (also from scientists) that dispute that humans actually have that much effect on climate change. I am not well equipped to be able to see who is right and who is wrong. The climate is such a complex thing, it seems to me sometimes that not even scientists can tell for sure. I'd love to see a serious debate between scientists from both sides of the argument to get a better understanding of what is a fact and what isn't in this debate.
Now, of course, even IF the climate does not change through man-made CO2 emission, what is the harm in us trying to reduce pollution? Because there are things that definitely are man-made: polluting everything with plastic, air pollution, water pollution etc. Those are definitely real things. So I think humans should do better in protecting the environment. But I think the core problem is that there are too many humans. 8 billion people are just too many for the Earth. And it is nice to see kids protest, but if we take this thing seriously, everyone will have to bring huge sacrifices. The current lifestyle is just not sustainable if we are to protect the environment. Are people, including the angry new new generation of climate protesters, willing to bring those sacrifices or is it just all talk?
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Post by HIStoric on Sept 26, 2019 22:02:16 GMT
Interesting, thank you for explaining respect77. I think it’s a shame it has to become so political, you’d like to think that such an issue in regards to saving or improving our environment would go beyond party lines. I think you can still be an ultra-conservative and still be in favour of changes that help the environment. As for the debate between scientists, I just read via NASA (http://go.nasa.gov/2XvevxR) that 97% of them agree it is human are behind climate change. Like you, I’m not overly well equipped to have full on in-depth conversations about this complicated topic but at least for me, that number is just too high for me to doubt it. I’ve read too that about 100 particular companies produce about 71% of global climate emissions - If such a study reigns true, I think it’s important for governments to put more pressure on them to invest in most economically friendly ways to conduct business. They should be the ones making the biggest sacrifices if they’re the ones having the biggest effect. There’ll definitely need to be various sacrifices too from people, but I think there’s a lot more these corporations can do, especially as technology advances more and more. If we do make a number of changes to support the environment and then revolutionary well-supported evidence has come out that shows humans are not causing it... well then at worse we’ve just made the environment better? 🤔
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Post by Cloudbuster on Sept 26, 2019 22:49:30 GMT
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Post by Cloudbuster on Sept 26, 2019 22:58:11 GMT
It's quite clear that when the mainstream media continue to push and push a narrative it must be true.
We landed on the moon Oswald killed JFK 19 Arabs with box cutters Pyramids are tombs Man-made climate change Michael Jackson was a paedophile
1970s/1980s = the coming ice age 1990s/2000s = global warming 2010s = climate change
I wonder what it'll be come the next decade. Not long to wait.
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Post by respect77 on Sept 27, 2019 15:49:31 GMT
Interesting, thank you for explaining respect77 . I think it’s a shame it has to become so political, you’d like to think that such an issue in regards to saving or improving our environment would go beyond party lines. I think you can still be an ultra-conservative and still be in favour of changes that help the environment. As for the debate between scientists, I just read via NASA (http://go.nasa.gov/2XvevxR) that 97% of them agree it is human are behind climate change. Like you, I’m not overly well equipped to have full on in-depth conversations about this complicated topic but at least for me, that number is just too high for me to doubt it. I’ve read too that about 100 particular companies produce about 71% of global climate emissions - If such a study reigns true, I think it’s important for governments to put more pressure on them to invest in most economically friendly ways to conduct business. They should be the ones making the biggest sacrifices if they’re the ones having the biggest effect. There’ll definitely need to be various sacrifices too from people, but I think there’s a lot more these corporations can do, especially as technology advances more and more. If we do make a number of changes to support the environment and then revolutionary well-supported evidence has come out that shows humans are not causing it... well then at worse we’ve just made the environment better? 🤔 I have to admit, the MJ case made me very skeptical of almost anything the media claims. I saw it first hand how agendas are what dictate what is being claimed and published in the media. If someone went only by the media about MJ, they would only see "guilty, guilty, guilty", when in reality we know that they aren't actually telling much of the story and what is being told is often misrepresented or twisted.
So in a subject that I don't know that much about it is very difficult to put trust in what the media claims. Are we being told the truth? Are we being lied to? Is there a political agenda behind what is claimed? Are there voices silenced like they silenced and misrepresented our voices during LN? For example, you mentioned NASA. There is a scientist from my country who used to work for NASA and he did deal with climate change. His conclusion was the opposite of the currently mainstream narrative and he claims they just refused to publish his work or even to point out what is wrong with it, why he is wrong if he is wrong etc. They just refused to publish it because it wasn't supporting the favored narrative and that was it. He then resigned and left NASA. Now, can it be that he is lying? Possible, of course. Maybe his research was absolutely wrong and maybe was proven wrong and he doesn't tell us the full story of what really happened. That is a possibility. But I wouldn't be able to tell either way. (Here is a link to his story and findings: rclutz.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/the-curious-case-of-dr-miskolczi/ )
Are there agendas or is that a conspiracy theory? (We know for a fact that in the case of MJ there are absolutely mainstream media agendas and opposing opinions were simply not allowed to be published. So it did happen to us and that makes it easier for me to think that it is possible in other areas as well.)
What I would love to see is a debate between prominent proponents of man-made climate change and opposers of it. Maybe that would help me to get a better clarity about this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 19:45:26 GMT
Shes really trying her best, and any adult that insults her is a gobshite. Shes a child doing far more than I ever have
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Post by TonyR on Sept 27, 2019 22:15:56 GMT
Shes really trying her best, and any adult that insults her is a gobshite. Shes a child doing far more than I ever have Well this is 100% accurate isn’t it?
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