TonyR
The Legend Continues
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Post by TonyR on Oct 4, 2019 10:36:14 GMT
It's easy to pick out the faults in her argument but I seem to recall MJ getting a lot of his facts wrong in his monologues after performing Earth Song where his statistics were way out.
The point is, climate change is real. Look out the fucking window, do some research, listen to David Attenborough. Maybe it's not doomsday (maybe it is), but her points are still valid that Governments need to listen to the science, change their ways & protect out future and our children's future.
Of course the easiest thing is to mock, or poke holes. It's much easier than recycling or being sympathetic and also validates ones own apathy.
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Post by pg13 on Oct 4, 2019 11:45:04 GMT
It's easy to pick out the faults in her argument but I seem to recall MJ getting a lot of his facts wrong in his monologues after performing Earth Song where his statistics were way out. The point is, climate change is real. Look out the fucking window, do some research, listen to David Attenborough. Maybe it's not doomsday (maybe it is), but her points are still valid that Governments need to listen to the science, change their ways & protect out future and our children's future. Of course the easiest thing is to mock, or poke holes. It's much easier than recycling or being sympathetic and also validates ones own apathy. Of course, climate change IS real and definitely supported by the science. Has anyone here disputed that? No. Not from what I've seen. But a doomsday shite certainly is NOT supported by science as Smithsonian Paleontologist and World renowned expert on mass extinction, Douglas Erwin. It's definitely far too easy to ignore the real damaging effects of doomsday rubbish as demonstrated in this thread alone. However, humanity has been doing a lot of varied, good things for the environment for a long time now. And we're coming up with new advancements to help in that all the time. I posted a link previously about this. It's extremely easy to ignore all the good we've done and the good news about the environment. For example, many people ignore the NASA fact that the earth has been greening over the last 35 years. Especially eco-warriors who preach a doomsday guff. Bottomline is, if one believes in pro-environmentalism, then one simply must denounce doomsday shite from people. It's completely counterproductive to helping the environment as also demonstrated.
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Post by pg13 on Oct 4, 2019 11:50:30 GMT
Let me tie Paleontologist and mass extinction expert Douglas Erwin's earlier comments rubbishing a current mass extinction with the below:
Absolutely right, Mr Erwin!
Greta Thunberg should be much more accurate and get rid of the mass extinction crap.
Or leave the public stage.
Again, all the arguments have been made previously.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 5, 2019 3:51:05 GMT
It's easy to pick out the faults in her argument but I seem to recall MJ getting a lot of his facts wrong in his monologues after performing Earth Song where his statistics were way out. The point is, climate change is real. Look out the fucking window, do some research, listen to David Attenborough. Maybe it's not doomsday (maybe it is), but her points are still valid that Governments need to listen to the science, change their ways & protect out future and our children's future. Of course the easiest thing is to mock, or poke holes. It's much easier than recycling or being sympathetic and also validates ones own apathy. People are getting their facts wrong because, like about so many other issues, the media lies, twists, exaggerates.
Recycling will do nothing to stop climate change. That we pollute the oceans and everything with plastic is a different issue and a very much valid problem. Nothing to do with CO2 emission, though, which is the thing that is claimed to drive climate change. To what extent, and whether alarmism is warranted about it, it is really a subject of debate from what I see.
Scientific panel on the Global Climate Action Summit organized by the Heartland Institute and the Independent Institute and held in Oakland, California, on September 13, 2018.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 5, 2019 4:17:46 GMT
This is just slightly related, but also very interesting. Shows that the Earth has gone through massive climate changes in its history. It is a natural cycle.
The Last Time the Globe Warmed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 8:41:12 GMT
I just think she went too far and is a brat.
The hippie global warming stuff gets on my nerves. Of course we are polluting and destroying our planet and we need to stop this. but protest marches and blocking streets and foam at the mouth long haired shaggadelic pot smoking hippies will not change that.
What is needed is to to stop the worst offenders like China with its 1945 style Pollutobowl factories. Greta is just a smokescreen for this left wing pinko hippy movement.
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Post by pg13 on Oct 10, 2019 11:34:29 GMT
This is related and here's some rubbish from Extinction Rebellion recently:
Hallam is part of Extinction Rebellion and his claim has NOTHING to support it. Nothing like this appears in the IPCC report either.
As Paleontologist and mass extinction expert Doug Erwin said they're trying to scare people for their own ends.
And it's already been demonstrated that this rubbish causes mental health issues for many people, especially children.
Here's another bit of crap from Extinction Rebellion:
“I think there is a danger of scaring people simply because we are not taking it seriously enough and people are feeling desperate to be heard on this.
“Unfortunately, alarmist language works which is why we are discussing it right now.”
Zion Lights, a spokeswoman for Extinction Rebellion
In fact, research already posted here proves that alarmist crap absolutely does not help at all. It does not work!
Logically, there is no real reason for rational minded people to support Extinction Rebellion and their antics or their rubbish. Exaggerated rubbish.
Of course, they're also hypocrites as we've seen in recent days.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Oct 28, 2019 10:48:36 GMT
Interesting twitter thread.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Nov 11, 2019 23:03:49 GMT
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Nov 17, 2019 11:53:27 GMT
What's with grown men foaming at the mouth about young foreign woman trying to make a positive change? This young girl seems more intelligent and articulate than the majority of politicians out there. Boomers seem to like screaming at her because she says things they don't like.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Nov 21, 2019 21:04:19 GMT
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Post by Russg on Dec 14, 2019 22:52:26 GMT
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Post by Cloudbuster on Dec 20, 2019 0:22:24 GMT
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 16, 2020 16:08:33 GMT
She doesnt need to worry about climate change as she will worry herself to death long before! Get out and enjoy been a teenager! Does she have asphergers (sp) etc as someone said that to me once. No idead. And been a creation of a P.R firm😨
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2020 3:24:20 GMT
Reading The Uninhabitable Earth by David Wallace-Wells. www.bookdepository.com/Uninhabitable-Earth-David-Wallace-wells/9780525576709I have to say if you read this book and if it is remotely true Greta's alarmism is perfectly understandable. Tina Turner comes to mind (fittingly in a song from Mad Max): "We are the children, the last generation". By this it looks like we are the last generation to live in relative comfort and convenience. It will only go downhill from here. The book goes through scenarios about what happens if we can't stop the average warming of the planet at 2 degrees until 2100 (which would be the goal of the Paris agreement) and it increasingly looks like we won't be able to do that (also due to inaction). Latest predictions I saw are at 4 degrees (independent from this book) and that's already catastrophe. This book goes into details about what happens if the average temperature rises by 4 degrees, 6 degrees, 8 degrees (the latter it calls unlikely but it would mean an largely uninhabitable planet, so total mass extinction like catastrophe). 4 degrees however is the most likely scenario according to most predictions and that's pretty bad and catastrophic too. And it's not some remote possiblity but we are talking about a very rapid change, people who are born today will still be alive in 2100. This is an alarmist book, but I guess the goal is exactly to shake up people. The question is: do we have a reason to be alarmed? I am now going to study the topic further to see how warranted or unwarranted the alarmism is. Greta might be rough on the edges, but if this is true it's understandable. I just started with this book to shake myself up (after Attenborough's film made me interested in the topic again). When I finish this another book on my list is Merchants of Doubt which is criticism of those scientists who "sell doubt" about important subjects such as climate change. Those scientists always existed (eg. selling doubt about the effects of smoking, sugar etc. I have even seen coronavirus denying doctors - one such "merchant of doubt" in my country famously said "I could bathe in a tub of coronavirus and nothing would happen to me". Of course he never did though. LOL.) and apparently this book offers an analysis of their familiar tactics, which I'm interested in so that I can better spot them. www.bookdepository.com/Merchants-Doubt-Naomi-Oreskes/9781608193943
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