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Post by respect77 on Oct 27, 2019 6:54:21 GMT
Has anyone else visited any of his seminars?
I went to his seminar in Budapest on Oct 25-26 and it's been a fantastic event. We laughed and cried and it was such an uplifting experience. If you ever have the chance to go do not miss it!
We had some unreleased tracks, many different takes about the progress and evolving of known songs and a lot of great stories that made us laugh and cry. I just hope once he's done touring with it he can find a way to bring it to the bigger public. He said he's writing a book, but this is more than book material. It needs to come with a CD. I think of how they are doing this with the Beatles that they release all these anthologies with different takes of known songs etc, why can't the Estate do something like that for MJ as well? The material is absolutely impressive.
The Estate should get these people on the record telling these things until they are here and they can. A documentary with a CD with a book would be awesome. But knowing this Estate, I don't think they are interested in preserving MJ's music this way which is sad. They'd rather have MJ duet with Cardi B if that gives them immediate sales than do a project like this.
"Throwin' Your Life Away" is a great song IMO. Brad also played a fantastic mega mix before he started the program and sometimes in the breaks. It was mainly a mix of Jam and Thriller and some other songs and it sounded so great. I never heard of it before. I don't know if he made this mix or where it is from, but I'd love to have it.
Also it was great to experience the love and community of fans. And you can tell Brad loves him very much as well. I think all these people do. We only had Brad at our seminar but he showed clips from the LA seminar where there were more people who worked with him. Brad Buxer, Matt Forger, Brian Vibberts. You can tell these people loved the man very much. Vibberts choked up talking about him.
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Post by amaya on Oct 27, 2019 8:13:21 GMT
Haven't had a chance to go to one. I hope he announces more dates soon (preferably ones in the US and close to where I live lol) cause I would LOVE to go to one and hear all the stories and rare songs.
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Post by jaywonder on Oct 27, 2019 9:53:45 GMT
I've been thinking a mini series and CD sets akin to The Beatles Anthology series would be a great project.
Six episodes: Ep 1: 1967-1973 Ep 2: 1974-1977 Ep 3: 1978-1985 Ep 4: 1986-1993 Ep 5: 1994-2001 Ep 6: 2002-2009
Include demos, alternate takes, songs he gave to other artists, live tracks, unreleased songs.....I'd but the CDs and blu rays in a heartbeat
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 27, 2019 13:19:10 GMT
Nice one Respect77. Wanted to go to the seminar in Dublin back in 2017 with Innuendo/Nigel but between money and other things both of us couldn’t go. Delighted for you that you went. Would love to meet you and others at this because we would probably talk for hours and hours about MJ. Sounds like you really enjoyed it too😎👍🏼
I agree with you that the estate should get people like Brad onboard because these are the people who worked with MJ and contributed to that MJ sound we know and love so well. But as a big music fan of other artists, it is quite evident that the MJ estate are the poorest of the lot in terms of preserving MJ’s musical legacy. Their main interest is short-term financial gain with no real interest in MJ’s music. And it’s a bad look from the perspective of Reviewers, Music Critics, Music Media, Music Websites and channels, Unboxers etc when they see MJ’s estate undervalue his work, why should they or anyone else care about it?.
There’s what? Less than a handful in the world at Beatles level worship, and MJ is one of them. Yet compare how The Beatles work is handled, treated and respected. You’re basically talking about music that’s treated as the Holy Grail, and because it’s treated and respected in that manner it’s received as such.
My honest opinion; MJ’s estate are the most egotistical people in the business. They believe it’s about THEM, not about MJ. This is evident in their track record starting with This Is It. They believe they are responsible for This Is It being so successful, when in actual fact it was nothing at all to do with anything they done, but the timing of its release, the curiosity around MJ’s last hours, the need to fill a void for fans, closer etc.
This Is It is a very personal thing for fans and very emotional on many many levels. Some fans love it, some fans find it difficult, some relate it to a sort of memorial, some of us hate it or resent it for what it is. It’s just a complicated thing I suppose. And what do his estate do 10 years later? Release an Anniversary box set of basically the eve of MJ’s death. I think that’s in very poor taste after 10 years. And the ticket thing included in the boxset is just a poor choice. You can still buy This Is It Blu-rays and albums from any half decent music shop. Even from a re-release perspective there was absolutely no point in this and no need.
And then to not release a Dangerous 25 which is a boxset that could have been really outstanding just shows their level of giving zero fucks to the fans. And they could have released that one as an official website only release too, and just made it always available from their online shop.
Even Quincy Jones, as senile as he is, they should have negotiated some sort of deal with him and kept him, and all of these people who directly worked with and contributed to MJ’s music on side. The Off The Wall reissue should have come with a disc of unreleased material for fans. A stick of chalk was easier than working out a deal that involved them paying money. But they should have paid something as it’s all an investment in MJ’s long term music legacy.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Again, delighted you went to the seminar. What a treat.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 27, 2019 14:29:57 GMT
I'm definitely envious of you and other fans, I'm hoping one day he comes to my country but I haven't a clue what demand down here is like so it's very possible he may never come. There's not enough focus on Michael Jackson's work in the studio in general, and I'd love to spend the better part of a day focusing on that with a man who knew this part of MJ better than probably anyone. You must've heard so many cool stories! An Anthology like project would be amazing - there's so many unfinished MJ snippets that can't be primed for an album like Michael or Xscape, but still hold fascination to fans. Those releases would be the perfect place to showcase them, but especially putting focus on the creation of songs Michael released in his lifetime. Brad would be the perfect person to oversee it, and I really do hope the Estate gets him involved on some future projects. My honest opinion; MJ’s estate are the most egotistical people in the business. They believe it’s about THEM, not about MJ. This is evident in their track record starting with This Is It. They believe they are responsible for This Is It being so successful, when in actual fact it was nothing at all to do with anything they done, but the timing of its release, the curiosity around MJ’s last hours, the need to fill a void for fans, closer etc. I was thinking something similar when I was reading all those recent statements by the Estate too. Sometimes they're a little too obsessed with those numbers and I wonder if it can cloud their vision for future projects...
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Post by WildStyle on Oct 27, 2019 14:59:06 GMT
MJ fans need their own Ernst Jorgensen badly. Somebody who respects and cares about the art and legacy and has a deep knowledge of it. It's crazy how all this MJ stuff keeps getting auctioned off. I wonder about the rarities that may be out there that aren't even in the Estate's possession. They just do not give a fuck.
And the obsession with sales is part of the problem. The chart expectations for Bad 25 were completely ridiculous.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 27, 2019 15:04:53 GMT
Does Brad show any rarely seen video of MJ? (Can totally understand if you can’t say much about the content if Brad doesn’t want you to )
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Post by respect77 on Oct 27, 2019 17:34:41 GMT
There's a video I never saw before. About when MJ recorded a Christmas song in August, so the whole studio had to be decorated for Christmas. Complete with Santa Claus and all. (Brad was the Santa.)
But mostly it is music, not videos.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 27, 2019 17:41:19 GMT
My honest opinion; MJ’s estate are the most egotistical people in the business. They believe it’s about THEM, not about MJ.
I agree that the Estate (Branca) is very egoistic and that's why they love to hype up the post death projects. In the articles that they clearly feed it is always mentioned how the Estate turned around MJ's debt since his death, how much money they made since his death etc - so basically stuff is emphasized that are a bit (self)-congratulatory to the Estate/Branca.
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Post by suzie on Oct 27, 2019 18:14:03 GMT
I think we should start a petition for this series to be turned into an anthology/dvd series.
The estate is funded by the fans and can only ignore our request for so long.
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Post by Thriller on Oct 27, 2019 19:35:17 GMT
I bet it was awesome. Glad you enjoyed it.
I hope one day it's brought to a wider audience. However, with this Estate I won't hold my breath.
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Post by Snow White on Oct 27, 2019 19:58:52 GMT
Is McClain a puppet or something? It seems all the decisions are taken by Branca. McClain warned them about the Cascio songs but Branca and Sony went along with them anyway.
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Post by Thriller on Oct 27, 2019 20:51:43 GMT
Is McClain a puppet or something? It seems all the decisions are taken by Branca. McClain warned them about the Cascio songs but Branca and Sony went along with them anyway. Out voted for a guess on the Cascio tracks. In the Estate's lawsuit vs Tohme Tohme it was revealed that McClain is was too ill to be deposed and that was a few years ago. Perhaps his condition has worsened and that's why he's not heard from.
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Post by suzie on Oct 27, 2019 21:58:29 GMT
Is McClain a puppet or something? It seems all the decisions are taken by Branca. McClain warned them about the Cascio songs but Branca and Sony went along with them anyway. Out voted for a guess on the Cascio tracks. In the Estate's lawsuit vs Tohme Tohme it was revealed that McClain is was too ill to be deposed and that was a few years ago. Perhaps his condition has worsened and that's why he's not heard from. That’s what’s said but I’m not so sure he’s that ill. It seems he and his family are very elusive. There isn’t much about him on the Internet period.
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 27, 2019 22:15:57 GMT
I'm definitely envious of you and other fans, I'm hoping one day he comes to my country but I haven't a clue what demand down here is like so it's very possible he may never come. There's not enough focus on Michael Jackson's work in the studio in general, and I'd love to spend the better part of a day focusing on that with a man who knew this part of MJ better than probably anyone. You must've heard so many cool stories! An Anthology like project would be amazing - there's so many unfinished MJ snippets that can't be primed for an album like Michael or Xscape, but still hold fascination to fans. Those releases would be the perfect place to showcase them, but especially putting focus on the creation of songs Michael released in his lifetime. Brad would be the perfect person to oversee it, and I really do hope the Estate gets him involved on some future projects. My honest opinion; MJ’s estate are the most egotistical people in the business. They believe it’s about THEM, not about MJ. This is evident in their track record starting with This Is It. They believe they are responsible for This Is It being so successful, when in actual fact it was nothing at all to do with anything they done, but the timing of its release, the curiosity around MJ’s last hours, the need to fill a void for fans, closer etc. I was thinking something similar when I was reading all those recent statements by the Estate too. Sometimes they're a little too obsessed with those numbers and I wonder if it can cloud their vision for future projects...
Absolutely an Anthology series of albums should have been in the pipeline for years. That Beatles Anthology is a whole blueprint right there. I suppose really, going back as far as the 2001 Special Edition albums, everything is sparsely scattered unevenly across anniversary editions, hits collections and posthumous albums. It boggles that they didn’t bring in a fan/expert and create a consistent series of Anthology albums. There’s not really anywhere to start with rare MJ material. What do you say to someone getting into MJ and wanting rarities? Get The Ultimate Collection online, Thriller25 for 1 song, This Is It for 1 song, 3 demos and a poem, King Of Pop UK or French deluxe edition for 12” extended mixes etc. I wish there was a method to the madness. It’s such an uneven mishmash in which you’ve got to purchase the same music again and again. This latest This Is It boxset is the biggest joke of the lot though; a limited run of 1000 copies of a boxset costing $500 including shipping that contains NOTHING new!! Not. One. Single. Unreleased. Song! And their doing it in such a way that it’s guaranteed to sell out because of the limited amount. So a nice chunk of change for them, and fuck all for fans again. And Where’s Thriller 3D this Halloween? In a vault for another chunk of change for whenever they feel like it. Fuck it John, just throw a playlist together. Apologies to Respect for hijacking the thread. Would love to hear some more thoughts on the seminar.
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