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Post by respect77 on Dec 1, 2019 6:03:45 GMT
Ugh, not Lando with this nonsense! LOL
What he says he is is not "gender fluid". He is just a non-stereotypical soft male. I have a problem with putting the "gender fluid" label on that, because it suggests there is only one way of being a male (stereotypical macho) and if you don't fit into that category then you must be "gender fluid". Which is nonsense IMO and actually very harmful to what is considered a "male" or a "female". Soft males are still males. It's OK to be a soft male. You don't have to put yourself in a different category just because you are a male and you are soft.
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Post by HIStoric on Dec 1, 2019 9:01:16 GMT
Good for him.
I fully agree there's nothing wrong with a man being soft (saying this as a male who feels like that every once in a while). I think it's good that we're open about it and I do think that should be communicated better in popular media. Being a male isn't all about being a tough macho man all the time like it used to be commonly thought of.
However I don't really see this as Billy Dee Williams suggesting there is only one way to be male. He's just talking about himself on a pretty personal matter, and if he sees aspects of femininity in himself (which I imagine is more than just feeling soft here and there) - and he is happy with it, then good for him. I don't feel we're in a position to tell him otherwise 🤷♂️
Besides, if he's comfortable enough to say this to the media (notable especially given the fact he grew up in a much stricter time), then I imagine he'd be comfortable to say he's a soft person who identifies only as male if he felt that way.
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Post by respect77 on Dec 1, 2019 9:35:30 GMT
who identifies only as male if he felt that way. IMO this is exactly that is making a mockery out of the whole issue and actual real transgender people with real gender dysphoria issues. This thing that you supposedly can identify as a different gender every day according to mood.
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Post by HIStoric on Dec 1, 2019 9:50:10 GMT
who identifies only as male if he felt that way. IMO this is exactly that is making a mockery out of the whole issue and actual real transgender people with real gender dysphoria issues. This thing that you supposedly can identify as a different gender every day according to mood.
Where does Billy Dee say he changes day to day? From what he said it sounds like he always just sees elements of both genders within himself.
Which tbh makes it sound like he more identifies as bigender? (note that he himself doesn't say he identifies as genderfluid, it's just the article that deemed him so. Funnily enough I guess that's what I'm doing now too hahah).
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Post by respect77 on Dec 1, 2019 10:11:48 GMT
IMO this is exactly that is making a mockery out of the whole issue and actual real transgender people with real gender dysphoria issues. This thing that you supposedly can identify as a different gender every day according to mood.
Where does Billy Dee say he changes day to day? From what he said it sounds like he always just sees elements of both genders within himself.
Which tbh makes it sound like he more identifies as bigender? (note that he himself doesn't say he identifies as genderfluid, it's just the article that deemed him so. Funnily enough I guess that's what I'm doing now too hahah).
It's not Billy, it is you who said: "who identifies only as male if he felt that way". Which to me sounded like you can pick and choose your gender according to what you feel in any given moment. Maybe I misunderstood it.
As for what Billy said, I agree he did not actually identify as gender fluid (at least by what is quoted from him here), so I wonder if it is interpreted into what he said by the media.
Well, I can only build on what he actually says. And what he says is this: "I say ‘himself’ and ‘herself,’ because I also see myself as feminine as well as masculine," he said. "I’m a very soft person. I’m not afraid to show that side of myself.”
This is simply being non gender-stereotypical. Everyone has both feminine and masculine in them. And there are millions of soft males. I find it ironic that the people who claim they shun the binary are those who seem to be very rigidly binary in their thinking deep down. To the point that if you embrace your feminine traits as a male or you are soft then you immediately fall out of the "male" category according to them and become "gender fluid" or "non-binary".
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Post by HIStoric on Dec 1, 2019 11:35:09 GMT
It's not Billy, it is you who said: "who identifies only as male if he felt that way". Which to me sounded like you can pick and choose your gender according to what you feel in any given moment. Maybe I misunderstood it. Oh right. Yeah I think there was a misunderstanding because I didn't mean that. What I meant is that if he's pretty comfortable openly admitting that he is a soft, relatively colourful character to the media, that he'd also be comfortable to say the exact same if he instead only identified as male (as I do). You don't have to have the same identity of gender to be comfortable to openly admit that, so to me that reinforces the idea that it isn't only these qualities that has him identifying as both masculine and feminine. As for what Billy said, I agree he did not actually identify as gender fluid (at least by what is quoted from him here), so I wonder if it is interpreted into what he said by the media. That's what I'm seeing this as, the news reporter slapping whatever they think is the right term on it and publishing it as so.
Well, I can only build on what he actually says. Yeah that's fair. I mean I guess for me gender identity seems like a pretty complex topic for those who question theirs, and it's a topic that's only briefly touched upon in this interview. He talks about being a colourful character, and I'm curious to know what exactly 'colourful' entails for him, how it relates to his gender identity as otherwise it's relatively vague. Then the idea that soft =/= feminine, we both agree on that but surely if Billy is open enough to these ideas of gender identity, he's going to be open to that concept too? It just all seems like it's not as simple as a two sentence snippet in an Esquire interview. It's not a subject I fully understand, likely limited by the fact I'll never identify with it on a personal level. So it's because of those things I don't feel right in telling someone they're wrong about the way they identify with themselves, it pretty much does just go back to a "good for you" sort of view which I still have for Billy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 16:11:41 GMT
My sister is a secondary school teacher and I was talking to her about this recently.
I did feel like I needed to understand more to be honest, after talking to her. The gender issue away from Twitter is much different to how those woke morons are pushing it. Lando seems to just be saying as it is for him without any agenda. I dunno. It doesn't come across like hes wielding a rainbow flag and a machine gun pointing at unwokers like how Twitterland seems to work.
I had a big long think during my run today and my only issue with anyone who has a gender issue is when it comes to sport.
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Post by TonyR on Dec 1, 2019 17:09:26 GMT
Like many guys on here, I've always felt I don't conform to the Male stereotype (shocker from the Madonna fan) and it's great that people acknowledge that that's okay.
Toxic masculinity kills.
But I'm still male, which I think Billy is saying. It's only when it gets Sam Smith level that I find it attention seeking.
By the way, I really hope the headline was:
Man? No! Calrissian.
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Post by MattyJam on Dec 1, 2019 17:20:29 GMT
I wish I could trademark some bottled water and call it Gender Fluid. I have a feeling it'd sell.
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Post by TonyR on Dec 1, 2019 17:23:26 GMT
I wish I could trademark some bottled water and call it Gender Fluid. I have a feeling it'd sell. It's what I call my spunk. Yeah, I said it.
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Post by MattyJam on Dec 1, 2019 17:24:08 GMT
I wish I could trademark some bottled water and call it Gender Fluid. I have a feeling it'd sell. It's what I call my spunk. Yeah, I said it. Lucky Mrs R!!
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Post by jaywonder on Dec 6, 2019 19:46:59 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Dec 6, 2019 20:40:26 GMT
So basically he was misinterpreted to fit into this "woke" ideology.
Like I said what he described is not gender-fluid, just having a soft side. And that's what he confirms here. He considers himself a man, he's just in touch with his female side.
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