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Post by Liberian Girl on Dec 2, 2019 10:09:10 GMT
So I'm sure we are all aware of the incident at London Bridge a few days ago... a terrorist attack in which two people were stabbed and died. Apparently ISIS claimed responsibility though not sure if that's true...
Anywaaaaay.... I've been reading comments on twitter from one of the victim's dad. He was saying things like, "My son was against bigotry and draconian sentencing...He believed in rehabilitation and I don't want his death used to represent division etc..."
Am I being weird or is this man's comments just odd? If I lost my son, and he was killed by a terrorist, I would ABSOLUTELY want justice, I would ABSOLUTELY want harsh sentencing on murderers, and most of all, I would not be singing the praises of the merits of rehabilitation (let's face it, this man's son would be alive if the evil man who killed him was still in jail where he was originally.)
I don't know. This all seems odd and backwards to me. I'd be mad, not saying, "go easy guys."
Thoughts?
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Post by HIStoric on Dec 2, 2019 11:24:08 GMT
So I'm sure we are all aware of the incident at London Bridge a few days ago... a terrorist attack in which two people were stabbed and died. Apparently ISIS claimed responsibility though not sure if that's true... Anywaaaaay.... I've been reading comments on twitter from one of the victim's dad. He was saying things like, "My son was against bigotry and draconian sentencing...He believed in rehabilitation and I don't want his death used to represent division etc..." Am I being weird or is this man's comments just odd? If I lost my son, and he was killed by a terrorist, I would ABSOLUTELY want justice, I would ABSOLUTELY want harsh sentencing on murderers, and most of all, I would not be singing the praises of the merits of rehabilitation (let's face it, this man's son would be alive if the evil man who killed him was still in jail where he was originally.) I don't know. This all seems odd and backwards to me. I'd be mad, not saying, "go easy guys." Thoughts?
"Iβd like to thank New Zealanders for coming together to show the world that New Zealand is a peaceful country. I have chosen peace, I have chosen love, and I have forgiven. I do not hate (the accused) - I cannot hate him, I cannot hate anyone."
I had a similar reaction to you, I couldn't quite comprehend how that man was able to forgive that monster - let alone so quickly (that article was exactly 2 weeks to the day of the shooting), but I have an immense amount of respect for Ahmed.
I think some people deal with this sort of tragedy differently. In your case, some people might want him to be executed, or to lock him away in a jail cell for the rest of his life. Two perfectly understandable reactions. At the same time, there are people who would rather use this opportunity to try and rehabilitate him - which ideally is what prison would be used for, for a good portion of it's members anyway (I think that's a whole discussion in itself). Perhaps they've seen enough pain and tragedy come out of this situation, that instead of inflicting more, they'd try to instead make good of what they can?
I think it's human nature to want revenge, to want those who wrong you so terribly to suffer. I have a lot of respect for people like Farid Ahmed, or that father you're discussing who try to take the high road. It cannot be an easy road to take (understatement) and God knows if I'd be able to do it. I genuinely wouldn't know until I got into that situation, and I really hope I never ever am.
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Post by respect77 on Dec 2, 2019 12:39:20 GMT
Wasn't this guy an example of failed rehabilitation? I read he was in jail before for terrorism or attempted terrorism and then he was put in a rehabilitation program and was released early for "good behavior" in jail. And then he did this...
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Post by Liberian Girl on Dec 2, 2019 14:13:27 GMT
Respect77 - you're right. The guy who did the crime was released from a rehabilitation program. He was actually listed on their website as one of their success stories! Utterly unbelievable.
Historic - thanks for your response. I know where you're coming from, and it must take some amazing insight to forgive these criminals. But I think it is right to want justice and decent time served, at the very least.
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Post by Russg on Dec 2, 2019 15:16:53 GMT
Respect77 - you're right. The guy who did the crime was released from a rehabilitation program. He was actually listed on their website as one of their success stories! Utterly unbelievable. Historic - thanks for your response. I know where you're coming from, and it must take some amazing insight to forgive these criminals. But I think it is right to want justice and decent time served, at the very least. Not to mention public safety. If I were a UK citizen, I wouldn't feel too reassured that someone who admitted to plotting to blow up the Houses of Parliament was walking the streets with an ankle tag.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 16, 2020 16:02:29 GMT
The laws were the problem. People get released mid sentence regardless which is crazy. If they are still deemed to be a danger to the public there should be no standard release they are supposed to be changing it now. prisons are a breeding ground for alsorts of radicalism. Under staffed not enough money put in.
Re the father.i dunno. His son had done work with people who had turned things around so doesnt want everyone to suffer for the actions of a few. Or as with alot of thigs in the uk its middle class kids going to ox/bridge and then thinking they can help the poor underlings to ease their conscience because of what they have been born into
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