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Post by chrisbrenton2902 on Sept 15, 2023 13:29:13 GMT
I love the black and gold outfit but not the gold one because it looks more like a leotard with a thong rather than a fencing suit. I'd have loved to see Michael in this outfit on stage, it looks more like a fancy fencing suit to me. I would have preferred this. The black on black is so stylish. At least he didn’t wear the one in lime green or orange. His Bad tour 88/89 top will always be his best. I wish he wore his hair slicked back like this more often during this period.
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Post by chrisbrenton2902 on Sept 15, 2023 13:35:00 GMT
Take your pick cuz dude…. A no from head to toe
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 15, 2023 14:39:13 GMT
Hair slicked back and black outfit would have been perfect for dangerous your, cause I don’t like the gold bodysuit either, so extra!
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Post by pg13 on Sept 15, 2023 18:25:01 GMT
The outfit he wore to Oxford was terrible But....it wasn't a stage costume?
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 15, 2023 19:51:45 GMT
I would have preferred this. The black on black is so stylish. At least he didn’t wear the one in lime green or orange. His Bad tour 88/89 top will always be his best. I wish he wore his hair slicked back like this more often during this period. Coincidentally, I was only looking at this image today as it featured on the cover of Mixmag magazine from 92. It’s a great image of MJ and quite a strong masculine look for him.
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Post by Seven on Sept 15, 2023 21:18:23 GMT
I agree on the Dangerous Thong. Yes, fencing outfit bla bla bla but that's not how it came across on stage. It was very form-fitting, almost looked like he put the top and bottom on in the wrong order.
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 15, 2023 23:06:27 GMT
Maybe he was trying to remake madonnas blonde ambition tour outfit lol
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 15, 2023 23:06:55 GMT
The outfit he wore to Oxford was terrible But....it wasn't a stage costume? Well those two are the only outfits I didn’t like
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Post by pg13 on Sept 16, 2023 14:33:19 GMT
This thread shows Michael had far more success with costumes than duds as an adult. 🤷♂️
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 16, 2023 14:51:16 GMT
I agree on the Dangerous Thong. Yes, fencing outfit bla bla bla but that's not how it came across on stage. It was very form-fitting, almost looked like he put the top and bottom on in the wrong order. I will always believe that costume took its influence from Madonna’s iconic Jean Paul Gaultier conical bra corset worn over black pants and nobody will ever convince me otherwise. The likeness is too close in comparison.
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Post by pg13 on Sept 16, 2023 15:14:45 GMT
I agree on the Dangerous Thong. Yes, fencing outfit bla bla bla but that's not how it came across on stage. It was very form-fitting, almost looked like he put the top and bottom on in the wrong order. I will always believe that costume took its influence from Madonna’s iconic Jean Paul Gaultier conical bra corset worn over black pants and nobody will ever convince me otherwise. The likeness is too close in comparison. Not even when you can see in photos the Dangerous one is a continuation of the Bad tour one? Difference aside from the fencing thing is the thong was on the inside of one.
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 16, 2023 17:12:24 GMT
I will always believe that costume took its influence from Madonna’s iconic Jean Paul Gaultier conical bra corset worn over black pants and nobody will ever convince me otherwise. The likeness is too close in comparison. Not even when you can see in photos the Dangerous one is a continuation of the Bad tour one? Difference aside from the fencing thing is the thong was on the inside of one. Honestly? No, I don’t see it. I see it with the Bad tour 87 and 88 silver tops which both had jockstraps sewn on to help hold them in place but the gold leotard is completely different IMO. It is derived from the fencing suit. The pleats on the front panel are also similar to Madonna’s costume. I just don’t buy it personally. The timeline fits aswell. He was knocking about with Madonna in 91 when he was priming her to guest on In The Closet and she wanted to give him a tougher image. I have no doubt that she showed him all the Gaultier sketches after her tour -which he would have seen and followed thoroughly anyway- and he took that concept to Michael Bush and Dennis Tompkins -who would have seen and followed her tour thoroughly anyway- who came up with their own sketches or the fencing suit. Michael with his hair slicked back in the black fencing suit is that tougher image IMO. Madonna herself wore her hair slicked back at some point during her tour and it’s a tougher image than the soft curls she had been wearing or would eventually wear. Even setting aside the Madonna influence, the gold leotard feels very European, unisex, or you might say very Jean Paul Gaultier? I find it highly coincidental to the point where I just don’t believe it. I don’t believe MJ, Bush & Tompkins pulled the idea from thin air and Bush has been known to tell an occasional lie here and there as well so….. nah. Yeah, I’m not convinced otherwise. Personally I actually like the gold leotard but he should have moved on from it after the European leg of tour. It felt dated by 93. Its an interesting image but I’m not sure it’s aged well. It works in 92 for me, especially in the early stage of the tour.
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Post by pg13 on Sept 16, 2023 19:35:14 GMT
Not even when you can see in photos the Dangerous one is a continuation of the Bad tour one? Difference aside from the fencing thing is the thong was on the inside of one. Honestly? No, I don’t see it. I see it with the Bad tour 87 and 88 silver tops which both had jockstraps sewn on to help hold them in place but the gold leotard is completely different IMO. It is derived from the fencing suit. The pleats on the front panel are also similar to Madonna’s costume. I just don’t buy it personally. The timeline fits aswell. He was knocking about with Madonna in 91 when he was priming her to guest on In The Closet and she wanted to give him a tougher image. I have no doubt that she showed him all the Gaultier sketches after her tour -which he would have seen and followed thoroughly anyway- and he took that concept to Michael Bush and Dennis Tompkins -who would have seen and followed her tour thoroughly anyway- who came up with their own sketches or the fencing suit. Michael with his hair slicked back in the black fencing suit is that tougher image IMO. Madonna herself wore her hair slicked back at some point during her tour and it’s a tougher image than the soft curls she had been wearing or would eventually wear. Even setting aside the Madonna influence, the gold leotard feels very European, unisex, or you might say very Jean Paul Gaultier? I find it highly coincidental to the point where I just don’t believe it. I don’t believe MJ, Bush & Tompkins pulled the idea from thin air and Bush has been known to tell an occasional lie here and there as well so….. nah. Yeah, I’m not convinced otherwise. Personally I actually like the gold leotard but he should have moved on from it after the European leg of tour. It felt dated by 93. Its an interesting image but I’m not sure it’s aged well. It works in 92 for me, especially in the early stage of the tour. Madonna wanted MJ to crossdress for ITC. MJ in women's clothing and Madonna men's which MJ didn’t think was a good idea. Janet told him it wouldn't be good for him too. But I always saw it as a continuation of the Bad tour outfit as well as his take on the fencing outfit. Seems a bit of a leap to me to link it with Madonna's outfit. They had a brief date for the Oscars and Michael certainly didn't have a good impression of Madonna, we know that. Either way, not a big deal. But I've never had a problem with the leotard thing. It's not awful or anything and made it easy to see him from a distance. An all black outfit would make it harder.
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Post by MichaelD on Sept 16, 2023 20:04:33 GMT
Initially and for many, many years I didn't like the leotard but eventually, I made my peace with it. I still don't like the look when worn underneath an opened jacket (Smooth Criminal, Jackson 5 Medley, and Thriller).
I was also never too fond of the red-ish jumspsuit on Victory tour and the blue pants on the Dangerous tour for Workin' Day And Night.
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 16, 2023 20:40:11 GMT
Honestly? No, I don’t see it. I see it with the Bad tour 87 and 88 silver tops which both had jockstraps sewn on to help hold them in place but the gold leotard is completely different IMO. It is derived from the fencing suit. The pleats on the front panel are also similar to Madonna’s costume. I just don’t buy it personally. The timeline fits aswell. He was knocking about with Madonna in 91 when he was priming her to guest on In The Closet and she wanted to give him a tougher image. I have no doubt that she showed him all the Gaultier sketches after her tour -which he would have seen and followed thoroughly anyway- and he took that concept to Michael Bush and Dennis Tompkins -who would have seen and followed her tour thoroughly anyway- who came up with their own sketches or the fencing suit. Michael with his hair slicked back in the black fencing suit is that tougher image IMO. Madonna herself wore her hair slicked back at some point during her tour and it’s a tougher image than the soft curls she had been wearing or would eventually wear. Even setting aside the Madonna influence, the gold leotard feels very European, unisex, or you might say very Jean Paul Gaultier? I find it highly coincidental to the point where I just don’t believe it. I don’t believe MJ, Bush & Tompkins pulled the idea from thin air and Bush has been known to tell an occasional lie here and there as well so….. nah. Yeah, I’m not convinced otherwise. Personally I actually like the gold leotard but he should have moved on from it after the European leg of tour. It felt dated by 93. Its an interesting image but I’m not sure it’s aged well. It works in 92 for me, especially in the early stage of the tour. Madonna wanted MJ to crossdress for ITC. MJ in women's clothing and Madonna men's which MJ didn’t think was a good idea. Janet told him it wouldn't be good for him too. But I always saw it as a continuation of the Bad tour outfit as well as his take on the fencing outfit. Seems a bit of a leap to me to link it with Madonna's outfit. They had a brief date for the Oscars and Michael certainly didn't have a good impression of Madonna, we know that. Either way, not a big deal. But I've never had a problem with the leotard thing. It's not awful or anything and made it easy to see him from a distance. An all black outfit would make it harder. So he cross dressed on stage instead? Nah I’m joking but the gold leotard could be seen as a type of cross dressing?🤔😂 But sure I’ve seen fans suggest that he couldn’t possibly have taken influence from her but she was one of the most defining performers of that time and I feel surely he would have had all eyes on her and watched and critiqued her show? Sure Michael didn’t like her as a person but I don’t really see how that would have stopped him recognising that something worked well on the stage and then using it? It’s one of Madonna’s most iconic looks and her performances were incredible. I don’t think that would have been lost on him regardless of how he felt about her personally. Yeah I actually do like the leotard. It’s boundary pushing and it sets MJ apart from other male performers.
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