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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 23, 2019 15:59:22 GMT
I was drunk when I wrote the post I didn't mean it and I'm sorry. Didn't want to make anyone feel like they weren't being supportive because you all are.
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Post by kremlinshadow on Feb 23, 2019 16:01:58 GMT
I did no "Editing" of your comment ... I quoted it, leaving out "be careful there" but that doesn't make or break my initial point. It still highlights that your comment looked really off. Like I said, I was happy to be corrected if wrong, but you've headed off down the road of being really rude and name calling which is uncalled for. Well maybe I'm just a little fed-up of being jumped on have you ever thought that? I am not a robot, my opinions and responses differ from others in the clique. You edited out part of my quote, that is extremely tabloid which does break your point, if you are to take out whole parts of a sentence that could lead to further misinterpretation. I had already explained your mistake in my first response to you but you are further insisting on being offended. How about 'sorry as moderator I misinterpreted what you said, and judged you unfairly, but I don't condone you being rude in response', but no you wholly blame me for your mistake and focus primarily on my response and not your mistake.
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 23, 2019 16:05:29 GMT
I did no "Editing" of your comment ... I quoted it, leaving out "be careful there" but that doesn't make or break my initial point. It still highlights that your comment looked really off. Like I said, I was happy to be corrected if wrong, but you've headed off down the road of being really rude and name calling which is uncalled for. Well maybe I'm just a little fed-up of being jumped on have you ever thought that? I am not a robot, my opinions and responses differ from others in the clique. You edited out part of my quote, that is extremely tabloid which does break your point, if you are to take out whole parts of a sentence that could lead to further misinterpretation. I had already explained your mistake in my first response to you but you are further insisting on being offended. How about 'sorry as moderator I misinterpreted what you said, and judged you unfairly, but I don't condone you being rude in response', but no you wholly blame me for your mistake and focus primarily on my response and not your mistake. Moderating a message board isn't rocket science kremlin. You strike me as someone who goes through life thinking everyone else is the problem. If multiple people complain that someone is behaving like a jackass, it usually means that said person is doing just that. There is no clique here, everyone else gets along just fine.
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 23, 2019 16:07:00 GMT
Any further discussion on this needs to be taken to PM, as this thread is being derailed yet again. Off topic posts will be deleted.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 23, 2019 16:08:06 GMT
I have explained - if you just came on here telling me why I was mistaken I would have felt differently, or just spoken to you about it, you could have made your point without getting more and more rude. How open was I going to be to apologising or resolving this, when you ultimately said I was wrong and therefore a special ed idiot for my mistake?
I agree with Mattyjam. Let's stop here and not derail the thread any longer
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 23, 2019 16:14:38 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Feb 23, 2019 16:16:07 GMT
Can we just avoid these tabloid articles?
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 23, 2019 16:19:20 GMT
We spend half our lives online combating or debating these media stories, it rarely occurs to me that we should avoid it lol.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 23, 2019 17:59:17 GMT
Here's an interesting quote:
"The story’s so contradictory and confusing.
“You said there was no abuse, and now you’re saying abuse.” “You say you lied then, so which one is it?”
You have to follow that thread of how this all happened step by step and the psychological beats of the story."
- Dan Reed, director of Leaving Neverland
In other words, the only way to believe Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck is to willfully allow oneself to be emotionally manipulated into believing it.
It's to suspend disbelief AND throw all healthy scepticism you have into the bin.
Otherwise, reasonable people who know a reasonable amount about Robson and Safechuck's claims could not reasonably believe them.
Certainly, if this was put to a jury in a criminal trial, a not guilty verdict would be returned.
Another example of INDIRECT refutation, folks.
Counter-Propaganda experts teach us that we CANNOT spend all our time DIRECTLY refuting claims.
Sun Tzu's Art of War tells us that we CANNOT spend all our time directly attacking an enemy.
We MUST indirectly attack an enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 18:11:01 GMT
Here's an interesting quote: "The story’s so contradictory and confusing. “You said there was no abuse, and now you’re saying abuse.” “You say you lied then, so which one is it?” You have to follow that thread of how this all happened step by step and the psychological beats of the story." - Dan Reed, director of Leaving Neverland In other words, the only way to believe Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck is to willfully allow oneself to be emotionally manipulated into believing it. It's to suspend disbelief AND throw all healthy scepticism you have into the bin. Otherwise, reasonable people who know a reasonable amount about Robson and Safechuck's claims could not reasonably believe them. Certainly, if this was put to a jury in a criminal trial, a not guilty verdict would be returned. Another example of INDIRECT refutation, folks. Counter-Propaganda experts teach us that we CANNOT spend all our time DIRECTLY refuting claims. Sun Tzu's Art of War tells us that we CANNOT spend all our time directly attacking an enemy. We MUST indirectly attack an enemy. Thats why Im not as worried as I was. Its funny how people will disregard the facts known about the 2 gobshites prior to the film, yet many cant seem to disregard mjs history of accusations at the same time? People cant pick and choose what they want to believe. The holes in these guys stories are so big that if the media were behind MJ this thing would be almost dropped already.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 23, 2019 18:17:19 GMT
"In other words, the only way to believe Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck is to willfully allow oneself to be emotionally manipulated into believing it."
It's exactly that.
Funny you say that about indirect propaganda. I just did that. Someone sent me something about haters'"refuting" Damien Shields'latest article. They go on about how the Schwartz tape doesn't prove extortion.
I refuse to directly engage with those psychopaths, so I just put out this.
Indirect propaganda, like you said. Without even acknowledging them.
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Post by kremlinshadow on Feb 23, 2019 19:10:25 GMT
Funny you say that about indirect propaganda. I just did that. Someone sent me something about haters'"refuting" Damien Shields'latest article. They go on about how the Schwartz tape doesn't prove extortion. We as in 'fans' know it was extortion, but if you was to stand back and listen the tape it could appear pretty ambiguous to others. You can't try convince others if they're not willing to listen to anything but cold hard fact, ie the word 'extortion' is actually used/mentioned. These are the kinds of people that need The Sun and Daily Mail to base their personal opinions from, they don't have the intelligence to think outside the box. If anything can be learnt from following MJ, is that there are some very disingenuous people out there and they know how to easily manipulate the masses. Head, banging, brick-wall ........
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 23, 2019 19:14:45 GMT
Was it churchil who said never underestimate the stupidity of the general public
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Post by pg13 on Feb 23, 2019 19:48:38 GMT
Was it churchil who said never underestimate the stupidity of the general public It's attributed to Scott Adams.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 23, 2019 19:54:28 GMT
Thanks. Didnt think it sounded like churchil. Have to look adams up
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