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Post by mjjfan810 on Feb 24, 2019 7:34:14 GMT
Dan Reed "justifies" not including a balanced view in the documentary: "It’s the story of these two families and not of all the other people who were or weren’t abused by Michael Jackson,” Reed said. “How is interviewing a person who was friends with Jackson who saw nothing going to help me tell the story? The fact that Jackson for many hours in the day was not abusing children doesn’t mean that for several hours a day he wasn’t.” Shut up Dan. You couldn't include any REAL counter arguments because you knew it would highlight the lies for millions of viewers. Wade being asked about MJ Cirque show: 'The estate has said Robson sought work on a Jackson-themed Cirque du Soleil show and raised the molestation allegations only after he wasn’t hired. “It’s just completely inaccurate,” Robson said. “I was hired three times for different iterations of that Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil show, to choreograph it. I was never denied a role. I removed myself from the project three times because of the nervous breakdowns that I was going through.” ' Full link for new Billboard interview: www.billboard.com/articles/news/8499696/michael-jackson-accusers-road-to-leaving-neverlandHe should be able to provide a contract then. His lawyers never did. They were trying to say e-mails prove he was hired (which is nonsense, if you are hired to do something you have a contract, not e-mails proving it), but they never showed those either.
Besides, if he says he was hired three times then how could he say he didn't know about the Estate until 2013?
This testimony must've killed Wade. "I don't need to embarass Wade by telling him he wasn't good enough." Lol. Ouch. That one had to sting!!
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Post by Snow White on Feb 24, 2019 8:00:24 GMT
So the burning of Michael's gifts/memorabilia at the end of LN was all bullshit, wasn't it? The memorabilia was probably the kind most of us fans can buy and doesn't have much monetary value. I'm starting to think Wade is a pathological liar, it's like he can't help himself. I've read he burned jackets, those can be easily faked. If Robson have had authentic jackets worn by MJ, he'd have auctioned them on Julien's or ebay even before making the allegations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 8:01:15 GMT
I'm starting to think Wade is a pathological liar, it's like he can't help himself. I've read he burned jackets, those can be easily faked. If Robson have had authentic jackets worn by MJ, he'd have auctioned them on Julien's or ebay even before making the allegations. I think I saw he had a glove from a performance too
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Post by Snow White on Feb 24, 2019 8:14:19 GMT
He auctioned the gloves Michael worn on the BAD short on Julie's but the backstabbing scumbag worn them on the VMAs tribute by Janet in 2009.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 8:19:37 GMT
From a recent Reed interview with Vice
Were those the real sequin glove and "Thriller" jacket that Robson was burning in the final credits of the film?
I wasn’t there when Wade burned those items, but the photographic evidence suggests those were the real deal, yeah.
Seems like those would be profoundly valuable items, which is particularly interesting since the Jackson estate is claiming Robson is telling his story for the money.
Sure, but I don’t think [the burning of memorabilia], in itself, validates his position. I think you have to look at the wider picture, which is that he and James weren’t paid and have no financial interest in the documentary, for a start
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Post by pg13 on Feb 24, 2019 10:56:57 GMT
Claim: "He immediately freaked out when he realized what he just did and taped over it," Safechuck says. Although he was aware Jackson was filming, "it was fun at the time, and when you're having fun, (Jackson) isn't thinking about it. But later, he's like, 'Wait a minute. I just documented this.' He was very careful, but that was his one sort of slip." - Jimmy Safechuck in an interview with USA Today www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/02/21/michael-jackson-accusers-allege-sex-tape-women-shaming-new-interview/2912005002/Well......what to say to that? How about this tidbit does NOT once appear in James Safechuck's litigatious civil complaint and heard by a judge? That's right. You really do have to ask why not. Yet Safechuck stated in another interview that he was concerned about whether Dan Reed would sensationalise his allegations. But what is Safechuck doing here? Sensationalising it. Point is, how can any reasonable person take Safechuck's claim here seriously? No doubt some people will claim that no evidence of a paedophile sex tape doesn't mean there was no paedophile sex tape. In other words, the Circular Reasoning Fallacy. ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (“the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies”). I'll leave that thought with you...... Another interesting quote: “In the end, there is no video of Michael Jackson abusing Wade and James. There is no cache of photographs. So what you’re doing is listening to the person and making a judgment about whether there is any truth or not.” - Dan Reed in an interview with Billboard magazine So, perfectly valid then to bring up any and all inconsistencies from Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:30:56 GMT
Looks like that australian thing was a farce as expected. Next.
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Post by russtcb on Feb 24, 2019 12:41:24 GMT
What a weird thing to say (on Kremin's part). I love that there's a support & positivity thread. We need that more than anything right now. See above answer to Liberian Girl, maybe READ before judging. That goes for the forum bullies and you know who you are, try reading the thread morons. Lol, I did READ what you said which is what caused my reaction. Here's what you wrote: "There is a support thread, that kinda smacks of attention seeking be careful there." It's funny to me that the person (you) saying others are seeking attention is actually the one attacking others for attention.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 24, 2019 13:22:10 GMT
Wade Robson's lawyer, Helen Yu, absolutely knew the MJ Estate was in existence all those years ago... "Helen says, “I’ve known Wade Robson and Charles Klapow since they were both little kids. They have both been disciples of Michael all their lives, and it’s great to see them honoring him in this way."" entertainmentlawhollywood.typepad.com/yulesebergweblog/2009/11/musical-artists-worth-more-dead-than-alive-michael-jackson-and-elvis-generate-millions-for-their-est.htmlHow can any REASONABLE person believe Wade Robson's claims that he did not know about the administration of the Estate before March 4, 2013? Is it not the case that Wade Robson WILL lie if he believes it will advance his case? It seems very, very reasonable to believe that Wade Robson will lie for his own gain. How then can any reasonable person believe his claims that Michael Jackson sexually abused? Remember, his own mother has testified that her own son could be a very, very convincing liar.......
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 24, 2019 16:36:08 GMT
This guy is hopefully not indicative of the general consensus after the show airs.
Do you think we are on shakier ground than ever, guys?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:36:39 GMT
This guy is hopefully not indicative of the general consensus after the show airs. Do you think we are on shakier ground than ever, guys? No. I don't think I'll ever share the same views as anyone from Channel 5.
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Post by SoCav on Feb 24, 2019 16:41:27 GMT
This guy is hopefully not indicative of the general consensus after the show airs. Do you think we are on shakier ground than ever, guys? This guy worked for Channel 4 until very recently and was, according to a recent Dan Reed interview, the guy who gave him the idea to make a film about MJ. So no, I don't think we have to worry that he is in any way representative of the general population.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 24, 2019 16:42:12 GMT
Oh God, me too. I'm just really nervous about how the average Joe Blogs is gonna see things after.
Am I the only one curious about why HBO are acting like being sued for millions is no biggie?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:42:22 GMT
This guy is hopefully not indicative of the general consensus after the show airs. Do you think we are on shakier ground than ever, guys? This guy worked for Channel 4 until very recently and was, according to a recent Dan Reed interview, the guy who gave him the idea to make a film about MJ. So no, I don't think we have to worry that he is in any way representative of the general population. Amen. With the suit lingering in the background, Im not worried.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:44:18 GMT
Oh God, me too. I'm just really nervous about how the average Joe Blogs is gonna see things after. Am I the only one curious about why HBO are acting like being sued for millions is no biggie? They cant back down now. 100 mil mightnt be anything. But they might be hoping that the doc will b above the facts available. This simply can't happen, but those who want to believe will. HBO have said nothing more than "watch and see for yourself" and have nor defended Reed or the 2 dipshits once. Telling enough!
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