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Post by Snow White on Jul 18, 2019 1:46:15 GMT
The Man? The Myth? The Legend? Really, Wade? The untalented, the arrogant and the narcissist. The more I see him dance, the more I'm convinced that he was able to reach the fame or achievements because he knew and was associated with Michael. MJ had more elegance and finesse even with a sprained ankle or wearing his fat suits.
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Post by ShadowDeeps on Jul 18, 2019 8:13:37 GMT
He moves like he has a stick up his ass. Wade is the most uninspired, uninspiring dancer I’ve ever seen.
So Paul Anka recently paid tribute to MJ in a concert, in Budapest, but also addressed a question regarding LN’s allegations in a recent interview. His response (“we must separate the art from the artist as thousands of people have / the disturbing, sick things he may have done / do people still love him or do they hate him? / is it appropriate to sing it?”) left me wondering why he even bothered to pay tribute to MJ at all. If you even suspect the man you once collaborated with was guilty of committing such heinous crimes, would it not behoove you to spend at least a window of time researching the aforementioned allegations (even if he supposedly “stole” one of your songs)? A mere allegation or accusation of misconduct should not be enough to shape one’s opinion on any given person, regardless of the current “climate”. And in this case, there’s a vast wealth of evidence against all the accusers, in MJ’s favor.
To some extent, I can understand the concern for LN winning the five Emmy nominations (here in the US, it’s often considered an honor to be nominated for an Emmy alone). We all know here that Emmy nominations and awards don’t mean much, especially in light of the revelation that their qualifications are not determined based on the validity of the film’s contents (and HBO sponsoring them could mean they bought their way into being nominated). But if LN does win those five Emmy awards, it could permanently cement the validity of LN in the minds of the public, atop this current “believe all accusers no matter what” climate. It’s not so much that I care what the public thinks, but I find it unsettling how much influence the mass media has on the opinions of many, and how much influence film itself has as an art form, as evidenced by LN, et al. It truly does feel as though journalism is all but dead. It seems like most people would rather let the media (and television as a whole) think for them rather than come to their own conclusions by way of an independent thought process.
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Post by Vega on Jul 18, 2019 8:47:11 GMT
I mean yeah, this thing winning best documentary or Reed getting best director would be bad imo. The sky won't fall or anything, and I doubt it would be front page news since it's not televised (that's crucial - otherwise you'd almost certainly see Robson and Safechuck make tearful, forelorned acceptance speeches).
Given what it's up against in the best nonfiction category, I would be pretty surprised if it lost. None of those films had the clout or push this had amongst the people who will be voting.
I'm less sure about Best Director for Reed - Free Solo and RBG did get a lot of hype for what they were, especially the former, so who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 8:59:38 GMT
I mean yeah, this thing winning best documentary or Reed getting best director would be bad imo. The sky won't fall or anything, and I doubt it would be front page news since it's not televised (that's crucial - otherwise you'd almost certainly see Robson and Safechuck make tearful, forelorned acceptance speeches). Given what it's up against in the best nonfiction category, I would be pretty surprised if it lost. None of those films had the clout or push this had amongst the people who will be voting. I'm less sure about Best Director for Reed - Free Solo and RBG did get a lot of hype for what they were, especially the former, so who knows. Itd be annoying but, the fact that the Emmys came out and said docs arent graded on their facts kinda takes away from any Doc thats ever won (I cant name any). The only people talking about it are MJ fans and the small minority of loud anti MJ people. Im not stressing over it.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jul 18, 2019 12:15:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 12:23:44 GMT
She has a point with the "fix this" bit.
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Post by amaya on Jul 18, 2019 22:55:05 GMT
To some extent, I can understand the concern for LN winning the five Emmy nominations (here in the US, it’s often considered an honor to be nominated for an Emmy alone). We all know here that Emmy nominations and awards don’t mean much, especially in light of the revelation that their qualifications are not determined based on the validity of the film’s contents. But if LN does win those five Emmy awards, it could permanently cement the validity of LN in the minds of the public, atop this current “believe all accusers no matter what” climate. It’s not so much that I care what the public thinks, but I find it unsettling how much influence the mass media has on the opinions of many, and how much influence film itself has as an art form, as evidenced by LN, et al. It truly does feel as though journalism is all but dead. It seems like most people would rather let the media (and television as a whole) think for them rather than come to their own conclusions by way of an independent thought process. This is exactly what I was feeling but couldn't find the right words for. While it is comforting to know the voters will ignore factual errors and focus on presentation only (meaning it really IS bullshit that it was nominated/could win), a win could make things worse if the media runs with it again. Many aren't going to look further into how the Emmys grade/vote on stuff and those who remained neutral/undecided may tip over to the anti-MJ crowd. We'll have to wait and hope for the best. I mean yeah, this thing winning best documentary or Reed getting best director would be bad imo. The sky won't fall or anything, and I doubt it would be front page news since it's not televised (that's crucial - otherwise you'd almost certainly see Robson and Safechuck make tearful, forelorned acceptance speeches). Given what it's up against in the best nonfiction category, I would be pretty surprised if it lost. None of those films had the clout or push this had amongst the people who will be voting. I'm less sure about Best Director for Reed - Free Solo and RBG did get a lot of hype for what they were, especially the former, so who knows. Itd be annoying but, the fact that the Emmys came out and said docs arent graded on their facts kinda takes away from any Doc thats ever won (I cant name any). The only people talking about it are MJ fans and the small minority of loud anti MJ people. Im not stressing over it. Your optimism is so comforting.
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Post by Snow White on Jul 19, 2019 3:53:59 GMT
Apparently HBO think they can say any thing unethical and defamatory against Michael without consequences shielding themselves in the First Amendment. SMH
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jul 19, 2019 4:53:01 GMT
Apparently HBO think they can say any thing unethical and defamatory against Michael without consequences shielding themselves in the First Amendment. SMH Watch them win with this absolutely ridiculous defense lol
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Post by Cloudbuster on Jul 19, 2019 11:26:19 GMT
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Post by Vega on Jul 19, 2019 14:47:09 GMT
Did Wadechuck accuse MJ of giving them alcohol, or was that a one off that he only did with Arvizo?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 16:00:05 GMT
Did Wadechuck accuse MJ of giving them alcohol, or was that a one off that he only did with Arvizo? At least one of them did, I think Safechuck
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jul 19, 2019 18:38:04 GMT
Oh my god hahaha
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Post by Cloudbuster on Jul 19, 2019 19:07:57 GMT
^ lol
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jul 19, 2019 19:15:48 GMT
Someone posted this on mjjc so thought I'd share it here.
Statement by the Michael Jackson Estate regarding the Emmys Hi #MJFam:
The Emmy Nominations are not only a blow to the credibility of the awards, but to journalism everywhere. The Estate has received a deluge of messages regarding the nominations, expressing concern from the fan community about the effect this will have on Michael’s legacy. The Estate shares the following message with you.
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STATEMENT FROM THE ESTATE
We have heard from many fans in connection with the recent announcement of Emmy nominations in the US. We share your outrage and disappointment that the disgraceful one-sided smear Leaving Neverland was nominated for potential Creative Arts Emmys by the Television Academy.
As you know, the Estate has spent years and considerable sums defending Michael and his estate against false allegations made by the two subjects of Leaving Neverland. When those individuals took their case to HBO having thus far failed in court, we wasted no time in filing a major lawsuit at considerable time and expense against HBO that remains active, attracted worldwide attention and which HBO has taken very seriously.
We also participated in public seminars highlighting the egregious bias of Leaving Neverland– at both Harvard and UCLA – which were covered extensively in the media. We have issued numerous public statements defending Michael, calling into question the motivations not only of the participants in the film but also the motivations of those who would choose to support the discredited liars and filmmaker who spread uncorroborated, unsubstantiated claims against a man who is no longer here to defend himself.
As we have indicated in prior statements, there are and will continue to be things that we do behind the scenes (including support offered to Taj Jackson), most of which will never become public. We recognize that in our unique position we must be thoughtful in whatever actions we take given that we are dealing with a network, filmmaker, plaintiffs’ attorneys and, in some cases, hostile media who are looking to seize on anything we do to advance their agendas and create publicity for this film. While we share the anger those who love Michael feel, we nonetheless must continue to balance our passion to speak out, against what best serves Michael’s legacy and not give those who wish to destroy him the excuse and opportunity they are looking for to try to further denigrate him. We know this is not what the fans want either.
As far as these specific Emmy nominations are concerned, as you may have noticed the media has actually given very little attention to them. So while we can confirm that we informed the Academy of our views regarding the absurdity of nominating for any award four hours of propaganda built on provable lies, it is important to keep in mind that, while not emotionally satisfying to restrain ourselves from speaking out publicly, we don’t want to do anything to effectively aid HBO, the filmmaker and the subjects of the film in seeking to promote this movie in any way. That includes aiding this and other self-serving campaigns they undertake for potential awards nobody will even remember who won a year or two from now.
After screening at Sundance and then playing on HBO, several lies were exposed in Leaving Neverland. The Estate, fans, foreign and African American media and even everyday viewers found holes in the film exposing its appalling lack of credibility and journalistic integrity. Our best course is to continue to shed light on an arrogant director who violated every basic journalistic standard of fairness in making his movie. No self-serving “award” will ever validate his decision to avoid anyone with a counterpoint of view, nor will it ever justify his inexcusable failure to fact check, fill the gaping holes of his timeline or absolve him for recklessly disparaging the reputations of Michael Jackson and others.
HBO’s reprehensible participation in disparaging Michael’s reputation by financing and supporting this infomercial has been frustrating for all of us over the last several months. But we are committed to protecting and preserving Michael’s incredible legacy. HBO and the film’s director were hoping they would mute Michael Jackson. They didn’t. No nominations or potential awards will change that.
We also want to take this opportunity to thank the fans for all of the time, energy and, in some cases, money you have invested in the defense of Michael. You can be assured that we are aware of those efforts and genuinely appreciate everything you do to support Michael and his legacy.
--- The Estate of Michael Jackson
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