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Post by pg13 on Jan 29, 2019 12:58:04 GMT
If Taj doesn't reach his funding goal (he won't) I doubt he will actually do anything. "Great results, can be achieved with small forces." - Sun Tzu But I agree on not waiting for a documentary from Taj as it takes too long to make. Propaganda spreads FAST and time is off the essence. You want to reach as many people as possible in one go - target major news pages such as BBC, CNN, Sky News, etc. TMZ is a waste of time though.
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Post by danm on Jan 29, 2019 13:07:09 GMT
I haven't seen that much on mainstream media. Having said that, I avoid the tabloids!! But it was on BBC front page for a day (and that was relatively balanced) and a banner headline on a newspaper. If this would have been 10+ years ago every red top would have had it as front page. 10+ years ago Mike was alive, so this would likely have led to more criminal charges, so yes it wold definitely have been front page news! However, I don't believe Wade or Jimmy would ever have done this if Mike were still alive. This is contrived to extort money out of his Estate. However, this saga has only just started. Just wait until it's shown on TV. The media will whip this up, and the general public will understandably be outraged with what they have seen in the doc as it's graphic, completely one sided and Joe Bloggs watching this won't have the knowledge we do regarding their lies and prior behaviour. Unless the Estate comes out and vigorously expose Wade/Jimmy and their lies, this will escalate badly with calls to remove his music from shops/radio stations/streaming sites. Sony will be under pressure to cancel their recording contract with the Estate, there will be calls for the MJ Cirque show, the upcoming Broadway show and things like Thriller Live in London to be ditched. It's now or never for the Estate to protect MJ's legacy. They can't hold their nose, release a few statements and hope the furore dies down with things going back to normal. It won't this time. Wade and Jimmy are hell bent on getting what they want. The appeal against their lawsuits being dismissed will ramp up. The last 10 years have been relatively good for MJ's legacy. Despite the tragedy of his death, there was always drama following him in life that was never-ending. Since 2009, many people have re-evaluated his legacy. Cirque du Soleil and the Broadway shows are proof that people want to buy into his musical legacy and celebrate it. His music sales have been high, his Estate has grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. His popularity has been high. Yes, there have always been many people out there who have continued to believe he was guilty, but there would have been a silent majority out there who would at the very least have given him the benefit of the doubt over the last 10 years, as he was acquitted in 2005. This film threatens ALL of that. I'm genuinely terrified that this could be the end of us ever being able to celebrate MJ and his legacy publicly. We may be consigned to only being able to listen to his music in private. What an absolute tragedy that would be. Devastating. I recognise I may be sounding dramatic. I am not in life a dramatic person, however we live in an age where "victims" are always believed and the baying mob want to boycott anyone who is accused of a crime, despite the evidence. I really hope the Estate recognise the gravity of the situation we are in and have a plan. They can't just denounce Wade and Jimmy as perjurers. They are perjurers, but they have an explanation for that. The Estate need to expose the copious lies they have told in their lawsuits. If the public begin to understand what their motives have actually been over the last 6 years, and the devious tactics they've used to achieve it then maybe public sympathy for them will diminish. If they don't have a plan then they can kiss goodbye to all of the money they've generated. We can kiss goodbye to his legacy being kept intact.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 29, 2019 13:42:48 GMT
If Taj doesn't reach his funding goal (he won't) I doubt he will actually do anything. "Great results, can be achieved with small forces." - Sun Tzu But I agree on not waiting for a documentary from Taj as it takes too long to make. Propaganda spreads FAST and time is off the essence. You want to reach as many people as possible in one go - target major news pages such as BBC, CNN, Sky News, etc. TMZ is a waste of time though. I agree that a documentary probably could be made still I'm just saying I do not think he will actually make it if he doesn't get all the money he is asking for. The Jacksons are good at talking a lot and then not actually doing anything about it.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 29, 2019 13:55:00 GMT
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Post by Snow White on Jan 29, 2019 14:08:25 GMT
If that's Razorfist rebuttal 2 video, the only thing I didn't like was that he perpetuates the false and ridiculous Brian Oxman claim that the insurance company made/forced Michael settle. This is why his lawyers advised him to settle and he ultimately did: When both criminal and civil proceedings arise out of the same or related transactions, the defendant is entitled to a Stay of Discovery and trial in the civil action until the criminal matter has been fully resolved.” [4; page 116-117] However, in regards to the case against Michael Jackson, all such attempts by Jackson’s lawyers to stay the civil proceeding were dismissed by Superior Court Judge David M. Rothman. Apparently, the Chandlers’ trump card was Jordan’s age. Here is what Geraldine Hughes (the legal secretary of Barry Rothman, the attorney who represented the Chandlers before Larry Feldman took over) writes in her book entitled Redemption: “Michael Jackson lost all four motions. It was obvious from a legal standpoint of view that the scales of justice were not pointing in Michael Jackson’s favor. Instead, it was weighing heavily in favor of the 13-year old boy. Michael Jackson’s attorneys were applying precedent laws which were applied in a similar sexual battery case. Pacers Inc. v. Superior Court specifically held that it is improper invasion of the defendant’s constitutional rights not to stay civil proceedings where a criminal investigation is ongoing. But Mr. Feldman’s trump card was, “a child’s memory is developing,” and their inability to, “remember like an adult.” This law was designed to protect a small child’s ability to recall for prolonged periods of time after being a victim and/or witness to a crime. This case, however, involved a 13-year old boy, who was soon to be turning 14 years old.” [4; page 124] themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2016/12/26/the-settlement/He had no other choice but to settle, if he hadn't, the defense strategy would have been revealed to the prosecution and they'd have fixed their weaknesses to use them against Michael in the criminal proceedings. Other than that, I liked his video.
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Post by danm on Jan 29, 2019 15:14:25 GMT
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Post by Vega on Jan 29, 2019 15:18:27 GMT
God damn. That altright metalhead always finds a way to weasle into my heart.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 29, 2019 15:51:29 GMT
I love this guy. He's hilarious and has a knack of sniffing straight through to the bullshit.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jan 29, 2019 16:18:07 GMT
The below was posted on mjjc very intresting in showing reeds motives. Anyone else who goes on youtube alot noticed this or researched it? I dont use youtube but can you not search for users on there?
Hello Moomwalkers! I saw often last year a User with the nickname "Pedophile Hunter" posting many hateful and evil things about Michael Jackson in comment sections under MJ Videos. At the end of the Dezember his posts gets very euphoric and he said that something big will come very soon in the case of MJ. "Pedophile Hunter" is the name of a filmproject of Dan Reed. So I belive it is very possible that Dan Reed himself posted under this Nickname. I watched thousends of MJ videos in the last half year that I sadly can't remember anymore under which videos I have read the comments of this user. But maybe other people here can remeber themself on this nickname, details what the User had posted or better can find his posts and make screenshots. I hope that the userneme still exist and is not delated. So post everything you know about this user here. It can be maybe useful!
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Post by pg13 on Jan 29, 2019 16:22:54 GMT
I think we should look into the Me Too movement itself and point out the problems with it. Here's an example: Source: www.npr.org/2018/10/31/662178315/on-metoo-americans-more-divided-by-party-than-genderThis kind of concern IS part of the fan argument anyway. It certainly makes sense that the more Liberal a person is, the more open they are to giving any accuser the benefit of the doubt until they are proved to be otherwise. That must form part of our INDIRECT attack.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jan 29, 2019 16:25:11 GMT
Thank god for joe vogel. Lets spread thus everywhere
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Post by respect77 on Jan 29, 2019 16:37:48 GMT
Fantastic video. He did his homework. I wish we could say the same for the media.
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Post by russtcb on Jan 29, 2019 16:39:46 GMT
That video is AMAZING. Thank you for sharing!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 16:53:44 GMT
Rolling Stone have an interview gone up with Reed.
Im obviously being biased, but he comes off weirder in each thing I read. I dont know.
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Post by Snow White on Jan 29, 2019 17:45:34 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if Sundance gave preference to Dan Reed's crap over Corey's documentary. While security was heightened surrounding Sundance screenings of the explosive Michael Jackson doc “Leaving Neverland,” festival attendees noticed that Corey Feldman is also at the fest being tailed by a bodyguard. But it turns out Feldman is in Park City, Utah, separately shopping a doc of his own that details shocking sexual abuse in Hollywood. (As a young star, Feldman was close friends with Jackson, but he wrote in his 2013 memoir, “Coreyography,” that the singer never acted inappropriately toward him.) Feldman’s rep explained to Page Six that the “Goonies” star is at Sundance to meet with distributors for his own documentary, in which he reportedly investigates a Hollywood pedophile ring that preyed on young actors — including himself. He’s said that he feared for his safety while making the doc, which was financed through Indiegogo. Last year, Feldman claimed an attacker tried to stab him, reports said. His rep told us, “There were the two attempts on his life and many threats, so he has had security since launching his campaign.” Jackson’s estate has slammed “Leaving Neverland” as “character assassination.” pagesix.com/2019/01/28/corey-feldman-shopping-doc-on-sex-abuse-in-hollywood-at-sundance/?fbclid=IwAR2zrQnaIRFKmQv4gEi5TPBPaGyPH8VUe6MPG3LPu666F3NI23TAl_9-2jk
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