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Post by Cloudbuster on Oct 4, 2019 9:55:29 GMT
Well I am sorry Tony, he has a Jewish name and looks Jewish. If the shoe fits, a salaam a laikum. Of course not all Jews are like this, but Michael seems to attracted his good share of the bad ones like Debbie Rowe - (Not of Jewish descent, but adopted and raised by a Jewish couple and a practicing Jew - Rothstein real name) Marc Schaffel - Very dodgy manager and once made gay porn rip off of a James Bond movie and then tried to marry the above woman. Jason Pfeiffer (Bloated gay guy who claimed him and Michael was a gay couple) Arnold Klein - Dodgy Doctor and plastic surgeon Uri Geller Rabbi Schmoley Boteach This clown Daniel Pearl (People with surnames after precious metals are almost always Jewish with Austrian roots as in 1780, Maria Theresa passed the Judentolerat (Jewish toleration edict), but forced all Jews in the empire to buy non Hebrew names, hence the rise in names ending in Stein (Stone) and Berg (Of the city), the richest got nice names like Edelstein and Adler (Eagle), the poorest got names like Taschensnagger (Horses neck).and of course the very worst Evan Chandler (Real name Edward Charmintz) and I haven't even got to all the Record executives and label guys. But yeah call me anti semitic, because I can see fake and evil people that just happen to come from one Religious group (But not ethnic as they are all White). Rather than being anti semite, I actually have a good knowledge of Jewish history and own several books by Simon Sebag Montefiore, Simon Schama and a few others. I am against Nazis, anti semites and think the Holocaust was the shittiest act committed on humans against other humans. But I am also a very honest person (Blame my autism) and hate injustice against harmless and naive people like Michael Jackson and all these people took advantage of and are still taking advantage of him. As for possed, I have dyslexia and sometimes forget how to spell. Not all of us are Ivy league candidates. If, for example, you were being critical of Zionism and its destruction of Palestine (which funnily enough is anti-Semitic but which too few people are willing to acknowledge) then you'd have legit reasons for doing so. But to single out every Jewish person who does shitty things when people of all kinds do shitty things just makes you look like a dick. Please stop doing this.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Oct 4, 2019 10:53:01 GMT
Arseholes who go running to tabloids come in all colours shape sizes races nationalities and religions when it comes to mj an arsehole is an arsehole regardless.if the first thing you think of is someones religion or ethnic background when it comes to them talking crap about mj then you are intentionally or not creating an issue because you are fixating on one thing about them.
Like respect says do I/you/anyone connect the arvizos francia, chacon,quindoys etc etc together or are thy just bleepers because of what they did to mj regardless.
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Post by pg13 on Oct 4, 2019 11:35:08 GMT
Are we at all surprised with Triumph's rhetoric?
He's consistently racist with multiple examples on the forum here alone.
He's also consistently bigoted - again, multiple examples.
He's consistently anti-semitic - like the above, there's multiple examples of that.
It's not edgy and it's not cool. Just beyond pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 5:23:46 GMT
Are we at all surprised with Triumph's rhetoric? He's consistently racist with multiple examples on the forum here alone. He's also consistently bigoted - again, multiple examples. He's consistently anti-semitic - like the above, there's multiple examples of that. It's not edgy and it's not cool. Just beyond pathetic. Just like you picked on me over your Northern Ireland crap. Racism comes in all forms and sizes, I am not the one who called me a Plastic Paddy - that is a racist slur. Fact is I got carried away and all the usual snowflakes a few more got offended, but the facts are there, can anyone say anything nice about those people I name checked. All used and abused Michael Jackson. They took advantage of him and abused his kind nature by stabbing him in the back over a long period of time. Sadly my speech would have been welcome 2 generations ago, but we live in this age of Social Justice Warriors and rampant Politicial Correctness rammed down our throat by this Socialist Human Rights UN Marxist intellectual Mafia who tell us how to think and act. It seems that abusing and criticising white people and colonialism is fine, but criticising Women, Gays, Non whites, Jews, Muslims and the Disabled is strictly verboten. Hypocrisy really. Free your minds and raise your self above Politically correct Marxist dogma and left wing lies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 5:53:44 GMT
Are we at all surprised with Triumph's rhetoric? He's consistently racist with multiple examples on the forum here alone. He's also consistently bigoted - again, multiple examples. He's consistently anti-semitic - like the above, there's multiple examples of that. It's not edgy and it's not cool. Just beyond pathetic. Just like you picked on me over your Northern Ireland crap. Racism comes in all forms and sizes, I am not the one who called me a Plastic Paddy - that is a racist slur. Fact is I got carried away and all the usual snowflakes a few more got offended, but the facts are there, can anyone say anything nice about those people I name checked. All used and abused Michael Jackson. They took advantage of him and abused his kind nature by stabbing him in the back over a long period of time. Sadly my speech would have been welcome 2 generations ago, but we live in this age of Social Justice Warriors and rampant Politicial Correctness rammed down our throat by this Socialist Human Rights UN Marxist intellectual Mafia who tell us how to think and act. It seems that abusing and criticising white people and colonialism is fine, but criticising Women, Gays, Non whites, Jews, Muslims and the Disabled is strictly verboten. Hypocrisy really. Free your minds and raise your self above Politically correct Marxist dogma and left wing lies. You're unreal man! Just say sorry and cut the antisemitic and prejudiced shit! You"re the only person who drags this place down with that shite you post, and you're the first person to go crying report anyone for calling you out for acting a total prick - and we're the snowflakes 😂 Keep your antisemitic racist SHITE for your Prince videos.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 5, 2019 6:19:01 GMT
This is about the French fans' lawsuit. Apparently Wade avoids being subpoenaed.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 5, 2019 6:29:30 GMT
Are we at all surprised with Triumph's rhetoric? He's consistently racist with multiple examples on the forum here alone. He's also consistently bigoted - again, multiple examples. He's consistently anti-semitic - like the above, there's multiple examples of that. It's not edgy and it's not cool. Just beyond pathetic. Just like you picked on me over your Northern Ireland crap. Racism comes in all forms and sizes, I am not the one who called me a Plastic Paddy - that is a racist slur. Fact is I got carried away and all the usual snowflakes a few more got offended, but the facts are there, can anyone say anything nice about those people I name checked. All used and abused Michael Jackson. They took advantage of him and abused his kind nature by stabbing him in the back over a long period of time. Sadly my speech would have been welcome 2 generations ago, but we live in this age of Social Justice Warriors and rampant Politicial Correctness rammed down our throat by this Socialist Human Rights UN Marxist intellectual Mafia who tell us how to think and act. It seems that abusing and criticising white people and colonialism is fine, but criticising Women, Gays, Non whites, Jews, Muslims and the Disabled is strictly verboten. Hypocrisy really. Free your minds and raise your self above Politically correct Marxist dogma and left wing lies.
Stop this, it won't work here.
The criticism leveled at you is not some SJW over-sensitivity by politically correct Marxists. You won't hide your blatant racism and antisemitism behind that trope.
Let's take this last example. You deliberately went out of your way to assume Shaffer is a Jew to then use that assumption to bash Jews in general. We don't even know if he is a Jew - you base that on your own assumption and on his looks. It's also a kind of circular reasoning on your part: he is an amoral man, so he must be a Jew. Confirmation bias for your own prejudices.
Even if he happens to be a Jew (which we don't know) it has absolutely no relevance in the context. There are plenty of other people who have stabbed MJ in the back - regardless of ethnicity.
You are also racist towards black people. With them it is their IQ that you are constantly obsessed with.
SJWs indeed often cry wolf re. racism, but your case is not that - you are a clear case of a blatant racist, who is trying to get a pass for his racism by blaming SJWs. No one here is an SJW.
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Post by pg13 on Oct 5, 2019 7:20:46 GMT
Are we at all surprised with Triumph's rhetoric? He's consistently racist with multiple examples on the forum here alone. He's also consistently bigoted - again, multiple examples. He's consistently anti-semitic - like the above, there's multiple examples of that. It's not edgy and it's not cool. Just beyond pathetic. Just like you picked on me over your Northern Ireland crap. Racism comes in all forms and sizes, I am not the one who called me a Plastic Paddy - that is a racist slur. No, you had fully displayed your bigotry towards Northern Ireland before I came here. I just took you to task on it comprehensively. And Plastic Paddy isn't an example of racism. It means: "a person who, although not born in Ireland, is of Irish descent and places great importance on Irishness." As usual, you use the Red Herring Fallacy in order to deflect from criticism towards yourself. Pretty clear you have no intention to reevaluate your behaviour.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 5, 2019 8:40:35 GMT
Can we get back on topic please?
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Oct 5, 2019 14:43:59 GMT
And Plastic Paddy isn't an example of racism. It means:
"a person who, although not born in Ireland, is of Irish descent and places great importance on Irishness."
Really? I thought like say plastic gangsta it ment someone claiming to be something that they werent really or a weeker version of it. Like saying a fourth gen irish american is a plastic paddy or claiming you are one when you arent really. Kinda like john kerry😉
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Oct 5, 2019 14:51:29 GMT
Fact is I got carried away and all the usual snowflakes a few more got offended, but the facts are there, can anyone say anything nice about those people I name checked. All used and abused Michael Jackson. They took advantage of him and abused his kind nature by stabbing him in the back over a long period of time.
------------ And what has their race or religion got to do with it or are you just trying to connect one section of ppl into a sterotype that you are wanting to push. People of all races and religions screwed mj off over the years.... so they as individuals were arseholes irrelvent of what holy book they were brought up reading.
You have a overly obsessive view on things that are to most people irrelvent.and obviously by you comments on that you can attack white people but good forbid anyone else. Typical right wing propaganda ala bribart. You werent the one writing the bizarre pro mj articles on that site were you😉 very odd that you would even be an mj fan and why your obvious agenda is allowed on this board
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Post by Vega on Oct 5, 2019 14:58:38 GMT
Can we get back on topic please? Take charge of your forum dude - and I mean that in the most respectful way. Anti-semitism doesn't look good and this isn't the first time it's happened on here. I get that fans are frustrated but blaming an entire ethnic group isn't the way out.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 5, 2019 16:15:03 GMT
Can we get back on topic please? Take charge of your forum dude - and I mean that in the most respectful way. Anti-semitism doesn't look good and this isn't the first time it's happened on here. I get that fans are frustrated but blaming an entire ethnic group isn't the way out. I'm not responsible for what other posters choose to express. I have spoken to Triumph before about his conduct and will do so again. He was issued a temporary ban a while back, so I don't feel it's fair to say I don't take charge. Having said that, I do not feel comfortable monitoring free speech, even if that person chooses to express opinions that may be deemed offensive. There is a house rule sticky thread at the top of the main board and if anyone violates those rules, action will be taken. But pertaining to subjects which fall outside the realm of the various contentious aspects of MJs personal life, I see no reason to act like a dictator, telling others what they can and can't say. Providing there is no bullying and nobody is being abusive to any one individual, people can say what they like here. If you think someone is being a jackass, you're within your rights to tell them that, which many of you have done with Triumph. He has the right to express his views and likewise, you have the right to express yours. We're all grown ups here and my personal stance is, if one user is repeatedly dragging down the tone/mood of the board and effecting the overall enjoyment of others visiting experience, then I will take action. I have permanently banned members in the past for the greater good of the community and will do so again if required.
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Post by ghost on Oct 5, 2019 16:51:11 GMT
Matty, that is fair.
I personally don't want to see this board turn into one of those places where the mods constantly meddle in free speech. Free speech means free speech, including people who hold wildly different or even offensive opinions. Whist I don't agree with a lot of what Triumph spouts, it's his right to spout it, and the minute you start trying to shut people down with an opposing view, you become just as intolerant as the people you're complaining about.
Matty has always been a fair mod and treats everyone here like an adult, which I actually find refreshing in a mod.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Oct 5, 2019 17:51:41 GMT
Free speech is often misunderstood tbh. You can say what you want but don't act like being banned from a site owned by someone else for being racist is somehow being suppressed. All I'll say on the matter is that saying "I don't want to suppress free speech" when it comes to people being racist and other stuff like that is creating a safe space for people that think that talk like that is legitimate and actually has a place.
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