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Post by kremlinshadow on Jan 31, 2019 0:23:50 GMT
Maybe Sony is after devaluing the estate catalogue now to get it's hands on that cheap, anythings possible lol. It's quite obviously an arranged assault with the director and media.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Jan 31, 2019 0:42:32 GMT
Maybe Sony is after devaluing the estate catalogue now to get it's hands on that cheap, anythings possible lol. It's quite obviously an arranged assault with the director and media. Whatever the truth may be it's clear that people have been conspiring to bring MJ down for decades. Of course, only lunatics believe in conspiracies.
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Post by kremlinshadow on Jan 31, 2019 1:48:56 GMT
Maybe Sony is after devaluing the estate catalogue now to get it's hands on that cheap, anythings possible lol. It's quite obviously an arranged assault with the director and media. Whatever the truth may be it's clear that people have been conspiring to bring MJ down for decades. Of course, only lunatics believe in conspiracies. And that's exactly how they like to label us, you know the people that actually bother to look into the facts.
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Post by Snow White on Jan 31, 2019 4:02:12 GMT
I may come from a place of bias due to my love for Michael I've seen hundreds of pictures and dozenzs of videos of him interactig with children to be certain I never saw any malice from him when he was with them but love, tenderness and outpoouring compassion towards them. Masquerade the heart Is the hide of haunting souls Just not what you seek of me Can the heart reveal the proof Like a mirror reveals the truth See the evil one is youhttp://instagram.com/p/BtQ34T_HaWY
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Post by respect77 on Jan 31, 2019 4:37:41 GMT
And I have seen articles list it among the most disturbing scenes of the movie. WTF is wrong with people's ability to think?
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Post by suzie on Jan 31, 2019 4:42:56 GMT
That lie about the insurance company or the lawyers forcing him to settle needs to die, it baffles me the fans haven't bother to read the court papers in regards to the settlement and regurgitate a lie Brian Oxman said. The lawyers advised him to settle because his defense team lost all 4 motions to have the criminal proceedings ahead of the civil ones. The defense strategy would have been revealed in the civil trial and the prosecution would have fixed the weaknesses their case had. I agree. Plus this explanation makes more sense. One of Johnny C lawyers pretty much said do on that god awful Untouchable book.
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Post by kaeleah on Jan 31, 2019 6:16:20 GMT
And I have seen articles list it among the most disturbing scenes of the movie. WTF is wrong with people's ability to think?
Nowadays people are encouraged to suspend their disbelief when it comes to claims of abuse. According to the #MeToo movement, blindly believing all allegations no matter what is the only way to care about abuse victims.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Jan 31, 2019 10:34:07 GMT
This Dan guy is a complete tosser I need to stop looking MJ up on Twitter because I get so bloody angry
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Post by Liberian Girl on Jan 31, 2019 10:43:24 GMT
Oh look...lovely moment captured. Harvey Weinstein hugs up head of HBO.
Conspiracy much?
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Post by kremlinshadow on Jan 31, 2019 12:17:43 GMT
Oh look...lovely moment captured. Harvey Weinstein hugs up head of HBO. Conspiracy much? I'm glad someone else is actually seeing this now.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 31, 2019 12:26:47 GMT
I've honestly been thinking for a while that this is to cover up the Harvey Weinstein stuff but I didn't want to say it because I thought I'd look nutty. It is actually looking more and more credible to me though. The fact it's being promoted so much, I mean.
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Post by pg13 on Jan 31, 2019 12:55:41 GMT
I'd steer clear of mentioning the Weinstein thing and we should ultimately focus on the specific issues.
The Leaving Neverland project will have to be countered in every way possible using strategy and tactics combined.
But if we go down the conspiracy theory route, people will turn off.
The mission is not just to refute the allegations levelled against Michael Jackson posthumously.
It's also to win the hearts and minds. If we fail to win hearts and minds, this entire thing can go against us.
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Post by kremlinshadow on Jan 31, 2019 13:26:16 GMT
I'd steer clear of mentioning the Weinstein thing and we should ultimately focus on the specific issues. The Leaving Neverland project will have to be countered in every way possible using strategy and tactics combined. But if we go down the conspiracy theory route, people will turn off. The mission is not just to refute the allegations levelled against Michael Jackson posthumously. It's also to win the hearts and minds. If we fail to win hearts and minds, this entire thing can go against us. I don't think people are ignoring the specific issues, I just think they are now wondering (just here, but not externally) how this has so easily gotten out of hand considering only a handful of people have actually seen the film, basing their opinion on what!!?? It just now looks like an orchestrated campaign.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Jan 31, 2019 13:29:08 GMT
I think it's entirely possible this is an orchestrated campaign and I think more and more clues will lead others to this thought
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Post by respect77 on Jan 31, 2019 13:45:01 GMT
Yes, focus on what we know to be true, not on assumptions.
Although, I do think it's deeper. No, I don't think Robson and Safechuck are paid by someone powerful to pull this off. Like when Wade first came out and some fans had that conspiracy theory about AEG financing him. That's BS. On their part it's simple: wanted money, wanted to be relevant and relatable and made up a lie to achieve it. There's nothing deeper on that side IMO.
The deeper stuff is in how the media handles the whole thing. Almost universally. Without any critical thinking. Without giving a platform to any counter argument. Without care for the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Without any genuine curiosity in what the other side of the debate has to offer.
HuffPost has posted like 5 supportive articles for this doc in the past days, including a lengthy interview with Dan Reed. Raven Woods submitted an article to them days ago to offer a counter point and they have not even answered her. (Previously she already wrote articles for them.)
And we have seen the manipulation the LA Times did with the fan interview.
10 reviews on RottenTomatoes by the media and it has a 100% rating. Hardly anyone in the mainstream media points out the obvious: "OK, this was a graphic, sexually explicit story that makes your blood boil if true, but IS it true? We haven't seen any evidence for that in this film."
No one talks about how it is problematic from an ethical POV that the director did not even attempt to give a platform to the other side of the debate. That he only sought out people who were guaranteed to give negative comments about MJ (prosecutors from the 2005 case, but not the defense). How Reed talks about Culkin in interviews as a victim, despite of him never claiming to be one. All this screams a one sided agenda.
Blatantly untrue statements by the director (such as that Robson and Safechuck have never met before) are accepted immediately as true (without anyone doing any research in this case) and then are perpetuaded throughout many articles, citing this factor as the very reason why they find the film credibile.
Even if you aren't an MJ fan you should have a problem with this whole phenomenon. But no one does. Or very few do.
The salacious click bait headlines are way too tempting. And of course, we are in the Metoo era. Virtue signaling is required.
But I don't think it is just the Metoo era. With MJ the media simply has never been fair. It does not matter if right wing or left wing media, if tabloid or broadsheet, they just seem to have an almost universal hatred for him and they are almost universally incredibly unfair to him. I want to understand the psychology of it. What is it in MJ that ruffles so many feathers? There has to be something. Because it is mind boggling.
Maybe it isn't just psychological. Maybe MJ is indeed used as deflection. There is evidence that Weinstein used negative MJ stories in the past to deflect from himself, so it's not far fetched to think the late submission of this film at Sundance was again a way to deflect from the film about him. Weinstein has connections at Sundance. And now no one is talking about that film. Mission accomplished.
It's not far fetched to me to think that many people in the industry don't like the status MJ achieved in the industry. Don't like to see an eccentric black man up there. Up there with the Beatles, surpassing Elvis. I don't think we can rule out racism (conscious or subconscious) being a factor.
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