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Post by respect77 on Jul 21, 2020 7:28:39 GMT
Sometimes ignoring is the best strategy. The Estate didn't need to release any statement.
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Post by WildStyle on Jul 22, 2020 10:13:25 GMT
As far as Dan Reed, I think because of the fan reaction (which he probably wasn't expecting) this is now personal for him. MJ fans hate him and he hates us back. Whether he believes these two obvious con men or not now is irrelevant. Whereas LN was basically a 4 hour long victim statement, I expect Part 2 to to be more tabloid like. I think it will basically be what it would be like if the MJFacts website was a movie. Not only does he get the satisfaction of continuing his vendetta, but he knows MJ is where the money and attention is. Nobody would give him a second thought if he didn't attach himself to Michael Jackson. I just hope no big networks get involved in this one.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 22, 2020 12:20:25 GMT
I don't think a Part 2 would garner as much interest and attention, at least if there aren't any new accusers. It actually could backfire, because after a 4 hours film on Wade and James, another one with these two would feel like they are really doing it for attention ("to be relevant and relatable"), money and/or other ulterior motives. Also, I'm not convinced anything will become of it, anyway. I think for now he's just filming in court, just in case something may come out of it for him, but I don't think it's a definite thing. It may depend on the outcome of the trial and other factors. He's just fishing with it for now IMO. No need for fans to panic about it yet.
I wonder what happened with the project he announced as his next about super bugs. Because he still seems obsessed with MJ rather than focusing on that and moving on. His personal investment in the subject, BTW, is also not a good look if he is trying to portray himself as a serious documentary maker. Rather than a somewhat distant and independent outside observer of a topic, now he made himself a part of it, clearly taking one side. Not that he wasn't picking a side from the beginning, but with Part 2 it would become more obvious to the general public as well. Imagine someone making a documentary of a case where he himself is deposed (he probably will be due to LN) and is clearly taking up the role of an unofficial spokesman for Wade and James in the media and calls them his friends now. How would that come across in terms of how independent this guy can be about the subject? But considering how people didn't care about the clear one-sidedness in LN and how it didn't seem to bother many people, maybe I'm naive to think it would this time. But I still feel Part 2 could be seen as more desperate and personal. His behavior and obsession with the topic doesn't make him look like a very professional film maker who keeps some type of healthy distance from his subjects. Documentary makers do lean in one direction or another about their topic - but making it THIS personal,making himself basically a part of their story, taking it on himself to defend an accuser when he's caught in a clear lie, making up excuses on his behalf (eg. James with the train station) is another level.
I feel like he hates fans because we did manage to piss on his parade somewhat. He expected LN a total triumph for him but it somehow isn't and he must feel it deep down despite of 99 percent media support, Oprah and Emmy. It failed to "cancel" MJ. His ethics and professionalism as a filmmaker got rightfully questioned. Even if these voices didn't get a big platform in the media, I feel it still bothers him. He didn't seem very happy when he got his much desired Emmy. I remember his speech was almost defensive in a way. Why are you defensive if you are for a good cause? He probably feels deep down this is all too shallow as both the media support and probably the Emmys too are orchestrated based on MeToo hype, so in a way it's all artificial.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 22, 2020 17:58:49 GMT
Apparently even Dan Reed picked up on how rehearsed he sounded because he advised him to use less "therapy/law language" in LN.
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Post by Russg on Jul 23, 2020 15:31:57 GMT
I'm not gonna pretend it doesn't upset me that they're shooting for number 2. I'm hoping that what respect77 said is true and that it won't have the same traction and shock factor as the first and that people will largely ignore it, but you know they'll be desperate to find some angle to make it salacious and shocking all over again, and that's what worries me. They've already proven they have no problem steaming full plough ahead with utter bullshit, so I wouldn't put it past Reed to include asshats like Jacobshagen to try and make it look like there are more victims etc. I just wish Reed would crawl in a hole and die.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Jul 23, 2020 16:09:15 GMT
I don't think a Part 2 would garner as much interest and attention, at least if there aren't any new accusers. It actually could backfire, because after a 4 hours film on Wade and James, another one with these two would feel like they are really doing it for attention ("to be relevant and relatable"), money and/or other ulterior motives. Also, I'm not convinced anything will become of it, anyway. I think for now he's just filming in court, just in case something may come out of it for him, but I don't think it's a definite thing. It may depend on the outcome of the trial and other factors. He's just fishing with it for now IMO. No need for fans to panic about it yet. I wonder what happened with the project he announced as his next about super bugs. Because he still seems obsessed with MJ rather than focusing on that and moving on. His personal investment in the subject, BTW, is also not a good look if he is trying to portray himself as a serious documentary maker. Rather than a somewhat distant and independent outside observer of a topic, now he made himself a part of it, clearly taking one side. Not that he wasn't picking a side from the beginning, but with Part 2 it would become more obvious to the general public as well. Imagine someone making a documentary of a case where he himself is deposed (he probably will be due to LN) and is clearly taking up the role of an unofficial spokesman for Wade and James in the media and calls them his friends now. How would that come across in terms of how independent this guy can be about the subject? But considering how people didn't care about the clear one-sidedness in LN and how it didn't seem to bother many people, maybe I'm naive to think it would this time. But I still feel Part 2 could be seen as more desperate and personal. His behavior and obsession with the topic doesn't make him look like a very professional film maker who keeps some type of healthy distance from his subjects. Documentary makers do lean in one direction or another about their topic - but making it THIS personal,making himself basically a part of their story, taking it on himself to defend an accuser when he's caught in a clear lie, making up excuses on his behalf (eg. James with the train station) is another level. I feel like he hates fans because we did manage to piss on his parade somewhat. He expected LN a total triumph for him but it somehow isn't and he must feel it deep down despite of 99 percent media support, Oprah and Emmy. It failed to "cancel" MJ. His ethics and professionalism as a filmmaker got rightfully questioned. Even if these voices didn't get a big platform in the media, I feel it still bothers him. He didn't seem very happy when he got his much desired Emmy. I remember his speech was almost defensive in a way. Why are you defensive if you are for a good cause? He probably feels deep down this is all too shallow as both the media support and probably the Emmys too are orchestrated based on MeToo hype, so in a way it's all artificial. He definitely hates the fans. I saw some fans started an online petition against LN2 on Twitter, which is playing directly into his hands. I hope Taj times his documentary well and perhaps he can undermine Dan's plans before they're even set into motion. Last time they had the benefit of it being unexpected and they kept a tight lid on it and so everyone was a little blindsighted when LN dropped. This time, we're all expecting the worst from these bozos and we're armed with the facts and receipts, plus Taj has had over a year to plan his rebuttal, so hopefully he comes good on his promise and delivers.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jul 23, 2020 19:36:10 GMT
The fans pissed all over his bonfire. He thought he would have a free run. Make his carrer off mj. He didnt count on the likes of respect etc etc etc.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jul 24, 2020 1:02:19 GMT
I found it really funny that he accidentally changed his profile picture to the same one as an mj hate account. Basically confirming he ran it. What a wank ahaha.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 5:35:12 GMT
I'm not gonna pretend it doesn't upset me that they're shooting for number 2. I'm hoping that what respect77 said is true and that it won't have the same traction and shock factor as the first and that people will largely ignore it, but you know they'll be desperate to find some angle to make it salacious and shocking all over again, and that's what worries me. They've already proven they have no problem steaming full plough ahead with utter bullshit, so I wouldn't put it past Reed to include asshats like Jacobshagen to try and make it look like there are more victims etc. I just wish Reed would crawl in a hole and die. They didn't even mention Jane Doe, even though she was being represented by Finaldi's legal team. They knew this would completely damage the angle that LN came from. They include her, the plot falls apart completely. I remember at the time Reed saying there was "1 other that didn't want to be filmed". He didnt specify the gender so this had to be Jane Doe. Now, Gavin and Jordan didn't want to be filmed either, and they got a mention. Why not mention the girl accuser? Because it didn't suit them. They even went on to mention possible victims Barnes and Culkin, but not Jane Doe? This will all unravel. They wouldn't go near Jacobshagen with a 10000 foot pole based on the above.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 26, 2020 13:28:11 GMT
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Post by Russg on Jul 27, 2020 7:56:32 GMT
Karma.
Oprah is a fucking opportunist piece of shit, who took advantage of the the Jackson families vulnerability when MJ died for ratings and then threw him under the bus for ratings.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jul 27, 2020 14:18:00 GMT
Oh im sure they were quite happpy to be taken advantage of $$$$$$
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Post by Russg on Jul 30, 2020 16:13:29 GMT
As if Wade Knobson hasn't caused enough pain in his lifetime, I found out today that it was apparently Wade's idea for MJ to have that awful hairstyle/new-look for the N Sync MTV performance and Invincible promo in 2001.
That haircut was the worst look MJ ever had. Why would anyone want to dress up MJ to look like Edward fucking Scissorhands? Another genius idea from Wade.
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Post by TonyR on Jul 31, 2020 20:38:34 GMT
LN just won a fucking Bafta.
Luckily it was squeezed into the 'also won' section at the end so no clip was shown and just a clip of his speech.
Still galling.
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Post by MattyJam on Jul 31, 2020 21:11:47 GMT
LN just won a fucking Bafta. Luckily it was squeezed into the 'also won' section at the end so no clip was shown and just a clip of his speech. Still galling. Even if you believed MJ was guilty, LN was riddled with so many problems that they had to edit out whole chunks of the documentary on subsequent airings. How is such sloppy film-making worthy of winning an award?
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