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Post by ghost on Aug 3, 2020 21:34:52 GMT
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Post by Snow White on Aug 10, 2020 22:29:24 GMT
8 ways Leaving Neverland Got It Wrong 1 The Sexually Explicit Details Rape and sexual abuse counselors advise victims to disclose abuse for healing but always remind them that they don’t have to go into detail if they don’t want to. This is the most difficult trauma to describe in detail, and most people never tell their full story even after disclosing. Usually survivors give a surface level definition of what took place with their abuser using words like touching, rape, oral sex, molestation etc. Robson and Safechuck described events on a pornographic level with strong clarity. When adult survivors describe abuse from childhood it’s usually vague, in flashes or bits and pieces. 2 The Lack of Emotion Janita Harris, a rape advocate and crisis counselor summarized both accuser’s appearance this way: “Their bodies were very stiff. Their emotional tone was always the same. The way in which they talk about their excitement of meeting Michael Jackson matched the same cadence of when they were talking about sexual abuse. There is no exact specific way that all victims are going to behave, however both of these victims had no emotional expression and their body language was very very controlled. That’s what I would’ve written in a report.” Full article to give it clicks: www.avidglitter.com/8-ways-leaving-neverland-got-it-wrong/
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Post by respect77 on Jan 11, 2021 4:16:21 GMT
This confirms everything I thought about Channel 4's bias, vendetta and hate against MJ. The irony of them obsessing over "investigating" MJ, but not their own British idols who have been accused of having sex with underage people (Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Bowie etc).
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jan 11, 2021 8:48:07 GMT
Wow just wow. She doesnt even try to hide her hatred of him.😱 at the wording she uses.i'll never understand the hatred and obsession the media have with mj. Seriously what is it? Race,refusal to conform,jealously or is it just about money and ratings? The vitriol is so vial its just so tiring what it is with these ppl?. So why did they wait so long after 2013 to do L.N?
I wonder what skeletons she has in her closet.
Im sure the estate will quite happily use her words against HBO and chan 4 dumb bi$%#
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 11, 2021 12:11:20 GMT
Wow just wow. She doesnt even try to hide her hatred of him.😱 at the wording she uses.i'll never understand the hatred and obsession the media have with mj. Seriously what is it? Race,refusal to confirm,jealously or is it just about money and ratings? The vitriol is so vial its just so tiring what it is with these ppl?. So why did they wait so long after 2013 to do L.N? I wonder what skeletons she has in her closet. Im sure the estate will quite happily use her words against HBO and chan 4 dumb bi$%# Annoyingly, Channel 4 seem to have gotten off scott-free out of this whole LN shit.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 11, 2021 12:14:54 GMT
This confirms everything I thought about Channel 4's bias, vendetta and hate against MJ. The irony of them obsessing over "investigating" MJ, but not their own British idols who have been accused of having sex with underage people (Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Bowie etc). So it seemed that this woman was convinced MJ was a pedo back when he died in 2009. If you do an investigation with a pre-conceived opinion from the outset, you are only ever going to find the results you were looking for. Impartiality seems like an alien concept to this woman.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 11, 2021 14:22:54 GMT
i'll never understand the hatred and obsession the media have with mj. Seriously what is it? Race,refusal to confirm,jealously or is it just about money and ratings? I wonder too. The obsession with tearing him down is real. Probably a mixture of all these. There's something that rubs me in the wrong way about this "we were waiting for Americans to investigate him, one of their pedophiles, but since they didn't we had to do it" BS. First of all, Americans did investigate him. Hello, there was a trial in 2005. But apparently that's nothing, she would put some media "investigation" above it, of course only with the "right" result, ie. a confirmation of her own bias. Second, there have been a million anti-MJ documentaries for decades. MJ is the most scrutinized celebrity ever. Channel 4 itself had several anti-MJ "docs" during his lifetime, including one that shamelessly featured pedophilia advocate Victor Gutierrez. Third, LN is not an investigation. They just put two families in front of a camera and took their allegations at face value. Where's the investigative journalism in that? They weren't even interested in investigative journalism. Reed didn't even reach out to the defense from the 2005 trial, only the prosecution. How is that investigative journalism? It's just looking for confirmation bias. There's something weird in the UK media's obsession with tearing down Michael Jackson. US media ain't shit either, but UK media is even worse. Bashir, Reed, 90 percent of all those "MJ's boys" type of trash "documentaries" - British. Then you have the whole Wacko Jacko thing (on mainstream news no less, since 1988), things like the Jarvis Cocker incident and you have to wonder what the hell that is. Is it also that he's arguably the biggest American star? Is it the Beatles catalog? Or what?
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jan 11, 2021 14:41:57 GMT
I would really like someone to ask them seriously why are you so obsessed with calling mj a you know what when the evidence clearly states the opposite. I guess their answer will clarify what their agenda is. Like a reply on the twitter post about this from i think tscm. Dont they realise they could get so much more rating and promo from doing a square 1 type doc. But then a reply was spot on by saying that by doing that they would have to admit they lied and or were wrong for 25 years.and they will never do that.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 11, 2021 16:40:53 GMT
i'll never understand the hatred and obsession the media have with mj. Seriously what is it? Race,refusal to confirm,jealously or is it just about money and ratings? I wonder too. The obsession with tearing him down is real. Probably a mixture of all these. There's something that rubs me in the wrong way about this "we were waiting for Americans to investigate him, one of their pedophiles, but since they didn't we had to do it" BS. First of all, Americans did investigate him. Hello, there was a trial in 2005. But apparently that's nothing, she would put some media "investigation" above it, of course only with the "right" result, ie. a confirmation of her own bias. Second, there have been a million anti-MJ documentaries for decades. MJ is the most scrutinized celebrity ever. Channel 4 itself had several anti-MJ "docs" during his lifetime, including one that shamelessly featured pedophilia advocate Victor Gutierrez. Third, LN is not an investigation. They just put two families in front of a camera and took their allegations at face value. Where's the investigative journalism in that? They weren't even interested in investigative journalism. Reed didn't even reach out to the defense from the 2005 trial, only the prosecution. How is that investigative journalism? It's just looking for confirmation bias. There's something weird in the UK media's obsession with tearing down Michael Jackson. US media ain't shit either, but UK media is even worse. Bashir, Reed, 90 percent of all those "MJ's boys" type of trash "documentaries" - British. Then you have the whole Wacko Jacko thing (on mainstream news no less, since 1988), things like the Jarvis Cocker incident and you have to wonder what the hell that is. Is it also that he's arguably the biggest American star? Is it the Beatles catalog? Or what? You pose an interesting question respect, and as British citizen myself, I am embarrassed and ashamed by our media. I think it's a complex issue and there's no one answer to the question. Many factors come into play as to why the British press have been so vile. Firstly, journalistic standards in Britain are virtually non-existent. I know that America has it's share of sleazeball journalists and gutter press, but they seem more trashy as opposed to vicious, which the British press are notorious for. There was a very big anti-American movement in the mid-90s, all part of the Britpop music scene. It didn't last long, but I feel MJ bore the brunt of it more than most. I guess he is seen as the epitome of everything American, the key changes, the saccharine ballads, the image of the perpetual child that MJ fostered, it just played right into the hands of the ever-cynical, vicious British press who would find any reason to crucify MJ after what happened in 1993. The vitiligo and surgery also make him an easy target to dehumanize and nobody has dehumanized him more than the British media over the years. There was also a fight for access to him, the likes of Louis Theroux acting butthurt that MJ didn't grant him an interview, I've also seen other UK TV hosts such as Jonathan Ross and Michael Parkinson talk about MJ as a potential interviewee (as if they ever had a hope in hell). I think the way he built himself up to be so untouchable further irked people in the media. Madonna would appear on these chatshows to promote her albums and she'd make herself available, MJ never did and I think it's a case of "if you don't tell us the story, we'll make one up of our own."
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jan 11, 2021 17:36:56 GMT
Totally agree. I think a large part was because mj was unreachable so to speak. He didnt need them and that pissed them off
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 11, 2021 17:39:00 GMT
Totally agree. I think a large part was because mj was unreachable so to speak. He didnt need them and that pissed them off MJ made careers, look at Oprah and Bashir. He catapulted their fame tenfold by just giving them an interview. That's a lot of power to have and tbh, I can't think of a single other artist alive or dead who ever had that kind of power.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Jan 11, 2021 19:44:28 GMT
Totally agree. I think a large part was because mj was unreachable so to speak. He didnt need them and that pissed them off MJ made careers, look at Oprah and Bashir. He catapulted their fame tenfold by just giving them an interview. That's a lot of power to have and tbh, I can't think of a single other artist alive or dead who ever had that kind of power. You can throw Dan Reed's name into the mix there as well. Who the hell had heard of him before MJ? That's why he's so obsessed - not because he gives a damn about CSA, it's because he's making a name for himself off the back of Michael Jackson.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 12, 2021 3:54:32 GMT
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