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Post by kremlinshadow on Feb 12, 2019 9:59:44 GMT
My God. The more I read about Wade & the more I learn about who he is, I just get so pissed. Here we have a man with a proven track record of using people, treating people like "connections" for his career, absolutely no morals and defintely NO self-responsibility for his lack of success. Of course he's desperate to be believed about MJ...it's his one final stab at money, fame and that last big "headline"... What a morally corrupt psychotic bastard. He has no choice now, who the hell would hire him? What celebrity would have someone like this around? After this is all done you'll not hear this man's name again.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2019 10:53:53 GMT
Some fans think that all we need to do is refute every point and allegation made directly. But this is not enough because ALL propaganda relies on emotional manipulation of people. Likewise, Counter-Propaganda relies on a variety of different ways, including pulling at heartstrings. Yet fear of paedophilia often causes people to lose their minds. And the fear of innocent people being wrongfully accused, lives ruined and convicted is usually outweighed by this fear of paedophilia. Indeed, people being falsely accused is seen by many as a rare example and this is then used to justify their own actions. Just to highlight my point regarding fear of paedophilia versus fear of innocent people being convicted, this is a very good overview in a paragraph: Read more at www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beyond-bullying/201311/modern-lynchings-when-accusations-are-all-it-takesAnd this is from a person who was falsely accused herself. Certainly, my own experience living in Northern Ireland bears this out too given the penchant of Irish Republicans for justifying their own atrocities. Point is, it's a very difficult problem to counter. But it's helpful to look at all in terms of an irregular, insurgent war concept. Except here the bullets are words as well as online posts and the bombs are TV broadcast documentaries as well as media articles. What we need is a strategy and tactics from the MJ Estate. What the fans really are is encapsulated in a single word - auxiliaries. Essentially, we're the supporting force, the backup. The Estate actions and fan actions must dovetail with the other for maximum effect. Yet, as we can see in various forums, the fans themselves are at odds. Most of them are not strategic people. Let's face it, most people do not need to be.
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Post by kremlinshadow on Feb 12, 2019 12:44:35 GMT
Some fans think that all we need to do is refute every point and allegation made directly. But this is not enough because ALL propaganda relies on emotional manipulation of people. Likewise, Counter-Propaganda relies on a variety of different ways, including pulling at heartstrings. Yet fear of paedophilia often causes people to lose their minds. And the fear of innocent people being wrongfully accused, lives ruined and convicted is usually outweighed by this fear of paedophilia. Indeed, people being falsely accused is seen by many as a rare example and this is then used to justify their own actions. Just to highlight my point regarding fear of paedophilia versus fear of innocent people being convicted, this is a very good overview in a paragraph: Read more at www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beyond-bullying/201311/modern-lynchings-when-accusations-are-all-it-takesAnd this is from a person who was falsely accused herself. Certainly, my own experience living in Northern Ireland bears this out too given the penchant of Irish Republicans for justifying their own atrocities. Point is, it's a very difficult problem to counter. But it's helpful to look at all in terms of an irregular, insurgent war concept. Except here the bullets are words as well as online posts and the bombs are TV broadcast documentaries as well as media articles. What we need is a strategy and tactics from the MJ Estate. What the fans really are is encapsulated in a single word - auxiliaries. Essentially, we're the supporting force, the backup. The Estate actions and fan actions must dovetail with the other for maximum effect. Yet, as we can see in various forums, the fans themselves are at odds. Most of them are not strategic people. Let's face it, most people do not need to be. A lot of this behavior comes from parents with poor parenting skills who wont take responsibility for the care of their own kids, blaming everyone of being a predator when they don't take precautions themselves in keeping their kids safe from harm. Letting them sit on the internet all day or let them roam the streets til all hours because they are too lazy to take responsibility for their welfare, so it's just easier to brand everyone a pedophile. What the world has come to when you cant go sit in the park on a nice day just relax as a man on your own just because there happens to be a kids playground in a vast green area. Against presumed guilty before you've done anything, or proof of. Typical attitudes given to MJ.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2019 13:34:13 GMT
Some fans think that all we need to do is refute every point and allegation made directly. But this is not enough because ALL propaganda relies on emotional manipulation of people. Likewise, Counter-Propaganda relies on a variety of different ways, including pulling at heartstrings. Yet fear of paedophilia often causes people to lose their minds. And the fear of innocent people being wrongfully accused, lives ruined and convicted is usually outweighed by this fear of paedophilia. Indeed, people being falsely accused is seen by many as a rare example and this is then used to justify their own actions. Just to highlight my point regarding fear of paedophilia versus fear of innocent people being convicted, this is a very good overview in a paragraph: Read more at www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beyond-bullying/201311/modern-lynchings-when-accusations-are-all-it-takesAnd this is from a person who was falsely accused herself. Certainly, my own experience living in Northern Ireland bears this out too given the penchant of Irish Republicans for justifying their own atrocities. Point is, it's a very difficult problem to counter. But it's helpful to look at all in terms of an irregular, insurgent war concept. Except here the bullets are words as well as online posts and the bombs are TV broadcast documentaries as well as media articles. What we need is a strategy and tactics from the MJ Estate. What the fans really are is encapsulated in a single word - auxiliaries. Essentially, we're the supporting force, the backup. The Estate actions and fan actions must dovetail with the other for maximum effect. Yet, as we can see in various forums, the fans themselves are at odds. Most of them are not strategic people. Let's face it, most people do not need to be. A lot of this behavior comes from parents with poor parenting skills who wont take responsibility for the care of their own kids, blaming everyone of being a predator when they don't take precautions themselves in keeping their kids safe from harm. Letting them sit on the internet all day or let them roam the streets til all hours because they are too lazy to take responsibility for their welfare, so it's just easier to brand everyone a pedophile. What the world has come to when you cant go sit in the park on a nice day just relax as a man on your own just because there happens to be a kids playground in a vast green area. Against presumed guilty before you've done anything, or proof of. Typical attitudes given to MJ. I wouldn't say it's because of bad parenting or the Internet. This kind of thing has long been a part of humanity. Just consider the Salem Witch Trials, for example. Consider too, the nonsense about the Great Famine being "genocide" or rubbish about collusion in Northern Ireland. And so on. There's a long list of examples throughout human history that shows the lynch mob mentality has always been a part of humanity. In our time, the fear of paedophilia hysteria is our Salem Witch Hunt. Edward Bernays is regarded as the father of propaganda and his work is hugely influential. Unfortunately, he also inadvertently inspired Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda master. But how you get otherwise normal and rational people to behave like a mindless yob when part of a baying lynch mob is all done through sustained propaganda. Drip, drip, drip at first. Prime the people. Once most people accept the premise, you can then use the lynch mob mentality great effect. Especially if you want to discredit an individual or a party for your own gain. Unfortunately, that leads right into private individuals being accused and then abused by a mindless mob. What else occurs? Well, the lynch mob mentality actually derives any sense of authority from what appears to be a perfectly respectable organisation. For terrorists such as PIRA and their supporters, it's Amnesty International. For individuals such as Dan Reed, Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck accusing others of sexual molestation and their supporters, it's the Me Too movement. It's clearly far too simplistic to put this phenomenon down to lazy or irresponsible parenting and the Internet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 16:06:08 GMT
My God. The more I read about Wade & the more I learn about who he is, I just get so pissed. Here we have a man with a proven track record of using people, treating people like "connections" for his career, absolutely no morals and defintely NO self-responsibility for his lack of success. Of course he's desperate to be believed about MJ...it's his one final stab at money, fame and that last big "headline"... What a morally corrupt psychotic bastard. He has no choice now, who the hell would hire him? What celebrity would have someone like this around? After this is all done you'll not hear this man's name again. Id be interested to see what the "dance" community makes of him. Obviously he must have been a name at some point but Im pretty sure a lot more people put on dancing shoes because of MJ than Robson. After the dust has settled, and the facts are louder than the lies, I can see him desperately needing to cling to his "charity" for groceries.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2019 16:38:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 16:42:26 GMT
That shopping centre in Denmark that removed the MJ figure has moved it BACK after complaints about it being moved. Minor victories guys, perspective.
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Post by Snow White on Feb 12, 2019 16:49:16 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2019 17:06:25 GMT
That shopping centre in Denmark that removed the MJ figure has moved it BACK after complaints about it being moved. Minor victories guys, perspective. Where did you hear that? As long as it doesn't turn out to be a pyrrhic victory because the real battle is still to come.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 17:07:50 GMT
That shopping centre in Denmark that removed the MJ figure has moved it BACK after complaints about it being moved. Minor victories guys, perspective. Where did you hear that? As long as it doesn't turn out to be a pyrrhic victory because the real battle is still to come. Thread on MJJC there
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Post by kremlinshadow on Feb 12, 2019 17:19:47 GMT
A lot of this behavior comes from parents with poor parenting skills who wont take responsibility for the care of their own kids, blaming everyone of being a predator when they don't take precautions themselves in keeping their kids safe from harm. Letting them sit on the internet all day or let them roam the streets til all hours because they are too lazy to take responsibility for their welfare, so it's just easier to brand everyone a pedophile. What the world has come to when you cant go sit in the park on a nice day just relax as a man on your own just because there happens to be a kids playground in a vast green area. Against presumed guilty before you've done anything, or proof of. Typical attitudes given to MJ. I wouldn't say it's because of bad parenting or the Internet. The point I was trying to make is a lot of parents blame things like the internet, but they don't shelter their children from the harms they always blame the internet companies and they ask for certain things to be banned etc rather than take the initiative and unplug their child from the computer. It's the attitude they take rather than the reality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:24:04 GMT
I wouldn't say it's because of bad parenting or the Internet. The point I was trying to make is a lot of parents blame things like the internet, but they don't shelter their children from the harms they always blame the internet companies and they ask for certain things to be banned etc rather than take the initiative and unplug their child from the computer. It's the attitude they take rather than the reality. To be fair, you are right there. Young people are way nastier than they were years ago, and its down to the internet and their unlimited unsupervised access. Absolutely agree with this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:33:20 GMT
I dont know who this person is, but apparently they have inside info
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2019 19:16:08 GMT
I wouldn't say it's because of bad parenting or the Internet. The point I was trying to make is a lot of parents blame things like the internet, but they don't shelter their children from the harms they always blame the internet companies and they ask for certain things to be banned etc rather than take the initiative and unplug their child from the computer. It's the attitude they take rather than the reality. There's a lot of adults involved in the general paedophilia fear hysteria. I'd certainly say it's driven by adults and young people are simply impressionable enough to go along with it. Focusing on parenting skills and the Internet certainly doesn't come close to explaining the whole of it. But in reality, what we see with general hysteria is that it's always there within whole populations. Always was and always will be. All it takes is just the right conditions. Usually, it takes a fear of someone or something. Dormant until a trigger event. And we've had a LOT of trigger events. Catholic Church sexual abuse cover ups, alleged paedophile sex ring amongst some MPs at Westminster, BBC allegedly covering up Jimmy Saville paedophilia, etc. So, sexual abuse allegations is increasingly the 21st Century's Salem Witch Hunt. Or Salem Dick Hunt as the article I sourced sees it.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 12, 2019 19:25:02 GMT
This kind of thing has long been a part of humanity. Just consider the Salem Witch Trials, for example. Consider too, the nonsense about the Great Famine being "genocide" or rubbish about collusion in Northern Ireland. And so on. There's a long list of examples throughout human history that shows the lynch mob mentality has always been a part of humanity. In our time, the fear of paedophilia hysteria is our Salem Witch Hunt.
You don't have to go back to Salem.
1980s - Satanic Ritual Abuse moral panic. You would think shit like this could only happen in the Middle Ages, but no. Knowing what went on there it maybe shouldn't be that much of a surprise that the media and people are so gullible about this Leaving Neverland shit as well.
TV presenters like Oprah pushed that shit in all seriousness.
People actually haven't come a long way at all since the Middle Ages. They are easily manipulated even with the most outrageous BS. Especially if it involves sex. And if it involves pedophilia then people are completely losing their damn mind.
The whole BS came from a book called Michelle Remembers. Michelle Remembers is for the Satanic Ritual Abuse moral panic like Victor Gutierrez's book is for the MJ allegations.
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