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Post by respect77 on Feb 15, 2019 17:07:08 GMT
I can't believe there is a "Supporters of Wade Robson & other Victims of MJ" page on Facebook. It has nearly 20,000 Likes. The shit on there makes my blood boil. Idiots there with no intelligent argument other than "Believe the victims." Ugh. m.facebook.com/waderobsonsupporters/This was already addressed by fan blogs long time ago. Those are likely bought "likes". (Yes, you can do that.) It is the same handful of people in reality. Those likes are not recent either. This is a guy Mike Parr, who is plain and simple, an MJ hater. Don't fall for things like this.
Case in point
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 17:12:38 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted, but what seems a very impartial review from Sundance thecurvyfilmcritic.com/sundance-19-finding-neverland-unearths-mj-sexual-allegations/After spending a week prior to Sundance listening to the ramifications for the R. Kellydocumentary hitting the air, the last thing I wanted to do was watch Leaving Neverlandat the Sundance Film Festival. Which is one of the reasons I struggled with going to screen this film or even writing this review. Having said that we all know that Michael Jackson was a public figure who appeared to be bigger than life. So, of course when he showed interest in a few middle class families and their children, who can’t believe the mega-superstar actually gives them the time of day or even knows their names it feels as though everyone is living out a real-life fantasy. Leaving Neverland focuses on accusers Wade Robson, 36, and James Safechuck, 40, who allege that Jackson began sexually abusing them at ages 7 and 10, respectively. At the time, both boys were diehard fans with entertainment aspirations of their own: Robson, who went on to choreograph for Britney Spears and ‘N Sync as an adult, met Jackson after winning a dance contest during the singer’s 1987 Bad tour in Australia. Safechuck, a child actor, appeared with Jackson that same year in a Pepsi commercial and says he began to hang out regularly with the star in Los Angeles. Here are my issues. Robson and Safechuck each filed lawsuits against Jackson’s estate after his death in 2013 and 2014, respectively, although judges denied both. Both were adamant that Jackson was innocent when he went to trial and was acquitted of all charges. Both had parents who enabled, allowed and basically pimped their kids out to allegedly spend time alone with Jackson behind closed, locked doors. My mother would have never allowed such a thing. She wouldn’t have cared if you were Jesus Christ himself!!! The documentary, produced by HBO clocks in around 4 hours long. After two hours, I’d had enough of hearing the same stories repeated ad nauseam. I find that very interesting that the film got a standing ovation at Sundance because from where I was sitting droves of people left during the entire two hours I managed to hang in there. Basically, I left because the film was repetitive in content for the most part. There was one moment Wade Robson pulls out a jewelry box full of gold rings that were supposedly given to him by MJ for sexual favors. After going into greater detail, he tearfully exclaims it’s hard for him to look at the jewelry. Then, why are they still in your possession? That would be like me being attacked and keeping the same clothes I had been attacked in. I just don’t get it!!!! The one and only thing that gave me pause is that I found it ironic that these young men looked identical as children and adults. I found it difficult to keep them straight on-screen without a lower third. Why does that concern me you ask? Because people have a “type” when it comes to choosing someone to be romantically or sexually linked with. If what these young men and their families say is true then it makes me beyond sad. My final issue is with desecrating someone in death, when you were the biggest cheerleader in life. Leaving Neverland is painful to watch for a variety of reasons and there are some out there who for yet another ride around the tabloid merry-go-round will find this entertaining or interesting. I would not be one of them. Let me be clear. If indeed the heinous acts described are true, it only goes to prove how our society will forego self-respect and dignity to get close to a celebrity and protect them at any cost. If it’s not true, we are witnessing yet another character assassination of someone who is no longer here to fight for himself. It’s sad and disappointing either way you look at it. I remain conflicted and confused by it all.
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Post by Russg on Feb 15, 2019 17:47:01 GMT
The one and only thing that gave me pause is that I found it ironic that these young men looked identical as children and adults. I found it difficult to keep them straight on-screen without a lower third. Why does that concern me you ask? Because people have a “type” when it comes to choosing someone to be romantically or sexually linked with This strikes me as a strange assertion to make, as I don't think Wade or James look at all alike, as adults or as kids. Is that just me?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 18:07:14 GMT
The by word of has beens - Leif Garrett, a good looking white boy with full luscious lips and a Greek God like bubble perm he starred in a few TV programmes in the mid and late 1970s and had a singing career that was moderately successful and has one huge hit with a disco novelty called "I was made for dancing" which hit #10 in 1979.
However he adopted the star lifestyle fast and became addicted to alcohol and drugs, the hits and roles dried up and by 1981 aged 20 he was a has been. He had a major car accident which made his best friend a drunken cripple, and tried to sue his mafia like management - The Scotti Brothers.
Around 2000 he appeared on a True Hollywood story, and presented as the ultimate has been train wreck. Given a chance to sober up he failed multiple times and like Arianna Grande much later appeared high on a talk show when speaking of his sobriety!
Garrett is still in his 50s but looks like death warmed up and can not stay out of trouble or drugs.
Basically anything he says about Michael is for crack money and likely just crap. He could not be trusted as far as he could be kicked.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 15, 2019 20:08:29 GMT
The one and only thing that gave me pause is that I found it ironic that these young men looked identical as children and adults. I found it difficult to keep them straight on-screen without a lower third. Why does that concern me you ask? Because people have a “type” when it comes to choosing someone to be romantically or sexually linked with This strikes me as a strange assertion to make, as I don't think Wade or James look at all alike, as adults or as kids. Is that just me? Yeah, I don't think think they look alike at all. Haters (not saying this woman is one) love to say he had a type but how? How are Mac and Jordan similar or Emmanuel and Jimmy? Or Wade and Gavin? I don't see any "type" this.
But whatever.
At least this one seemed to be someone who could think for herself and watch it critically.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 15, 2019 20:12:58 GMT
That's why I'm saying do BOTH. Neither is as powerful in itself as the two parts (facts, heartstrings) are together. I agree, my post was actually more directed at the one above yours that you had quoted. I do also think that changing the public's perception of MJ is more difficult. He has been in the public eye for 50 years. People have entrenched views on his as a person and as an artist. So I do agree that any rebuttal needs to focus on the man as well as the facts, however it needs to focus more on the facts. Discrediting Wade and James is easy, and easier than changing the public's perception of MJ. Many people have a very positive view of him, others think he was wacky but gifted, and others think he was a criminal. My concern with focussing too much on the man, is that people can rightly argue that he could have been a lovely person 90% of the time, but could have concealed a darker, more sinister side. It is true that not all pedophile's are violent rapists or depraved in every area of their lives. Some are perfectly normal (or nice) on the surface. So, counteracting these allegations with stories about how great MJ was as a person won't wash with a lot of people.
If Wade and James are discredited by a concerted effort to reveal their lies, their history, their motives - that is what will start to cause significant doubt about their allegations in the minds of the general public.
I don't think the purpose of the focus on the man should be to show he was a lovely person. The purpose would be to refute the notion that he was lovely to groom people. To put his kindness into a perspective - that he was like that with everyone.
For example, Joy claims this was grooming:
Show this and then contrast it, for example with what Jeanne White said about calling her on Mother's Day many many years after Ryan's death. What was he grooming for there?
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 15, 2019 20:32:33 GMT
Remember sneddon and his pictures of the "victims" trying to show a pattern. Mixed race asian/jewish J.C brett who has some aboriginal in him blond white mac hispanic arvizo etc etc. Made everyone 😅in court
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 15, 2019 21:24:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 21:37:33 GMT
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Post by Thriller on Feb 15, 2019 23:11:53 GMT
Exchanged emails with Scott Ross (private investigator for defence in 2005). He tells me that Safechuck's claim that MJ's attorneys and his assistant Evvy Tavasci contacting him to testify is nonsense. Ross himself would have been the one to call him but he was a 'non-entity' given testimony about Safechuck wasn't permitted. Evvy would only give numbers to the defence not make calls herself. Another lie from Safechuck then.
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Post by kaeleah on Feb 15, 2019 23:40:39 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Feb 15, 2019 23:52:43 GMT
This article touches on a lot of things I feel is very relevant to Michael's case. Especially the end paragraph: "With this incident I don’t believe it’s acceptable to say “better safe than sorry” or “my children come first” anymore. You don’t get to ruin a man’s life and reputation based on your suspicions, which are a product of your thoughts and prejudices. Men have civil rights too, and it’s not acceptable to trample all over them anytime you’re suspicious. If you’re uncomfortable with the way someone is acting, report it to the police and let them deal with it. Enough is enough." goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/before-you-call-a-man-a-creep-or-worse-read-this-fiff/Very useful to use to think of all the ways people will try to justify what they're saying about MJ. And you can bet your ass none of them will apologise for it. Because Michael was a man..... Strange how female paedophiles are NOT treated in the same way as male paedophiles are. There's definitely a double standard here....
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Post by danm on Feb 16, 2019 0:04:29 GMT
Exchanged emails with Scott Ross (private investigator for defence in 2005). He tells me that Safechuck's claim that MJ's attorneys and his assistant Evvy Tavasci contacting him to testify is nonsense. Ross himself would have been the one to call him but he was a 'non-entity' given testimony about Safechuck wasn't permitted. Evvy would only give numbers to the defence not make calls herself. Another lie from Safechuck then. Great stuff. Post any more mails you get from Scott!
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Post by kremlinshadow on Feb 16, 2019 0:39:30 GMT
This article touches on a lot of things I feel is very relevant to Michael's case. Especially the end paragraph: "With this incident I don’t believe it’s acceptable to say “better safe than sorry” or “my children come first” anymore. You don’t get to ruin a man’s life and reputation based on your suspicions, which are a product of your thoughts and prejudices. Men have civil rights too, and it’s not acceptable to trample all over them anytime you’re suspicious. If you’re uncomfortable with the way someone is acting, report it to the police and let them deal with it. Enough is enough." goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/before-you-call-a-man-a-creep-or-worse-read-this-fiff/Very useful to use to think of all the ways people will try to justify what they're saying about MJ. And you can bet your ass none of them will apologise for it. Because Michael was a man..... Strange how female paedophiles are NOT treated in the same way as male paedophiles are. There's definitely a double standard here.... Very relevant but I think we were told not to make 'discussion' off topic in this thread, maybe we should make a separate facts and conspiracies post? This is now a complete disgrace that he is wiped along with the J5 from the Motown 60 celebrations. Weinsten, Spielberg, Katzenberg, Singer to name a few are all using MJ to cover their own abuses. Even Ickettes are pointing this out. David Icke Forum
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Post by Snow White on Feb 16, 2019 1:37:48 GMT
Exchanged emails with Scott Ross (private investigator for defence in 2005). He tells me that Safechuck's claim that MJ's attorneys and his assistant Evvy Tavasci contacting him to testify is nonsense. Ross himself would have been the one to call him but he was a 'non-entity' given testimony about Safechuck wasn't permitted. Evvy would only give numbers to the defence not make calls herself. Another lie from Safechuck then. I knew big bad MJ and attorney's team "threatening Safechuck for not wanting to testify" was bullshit because of his sworn declaration but I didn't know his declaration made him a non-entiity. #LyingAboutNeverland
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