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Post by pg13 on Feb 19, 2019 9:27:59 GMT
I see Me Too Founder, Tarana Burke is trying to shore up Jussie Smollett. Somewhere on here and on other forums, fans have been using this as an example a false allegation going viral:
Clearly trying to transfer her authority onto Jussie and using crime statistics.
What's the betting we'll see something like this from her for Robson and Safechuck once LN airs?
Not once have I seen her acknowledge that false allegations of various types exist....
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 19, 2019 9:31:54 GMT
^The good thing is that every time I see one of those blue tick bots tweet their standard script ("powerful film"/"leaves no doubt"/"just watch it"), almost all the comments on the tweet are of fans pushing back with facts. And those comments tend to get more likes and retweets too. A random person who sees the tweet and clicks on it will definitely see that, and also see that many people feel that way - not just some fringe #MJTruthSquad. Thanks. That gives you hope
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 19, 2019 9:40:06 GMT
I see Me Too Founder, Tarana Burke is trying to shore up Jussie Smollett. Somewhere on here and on other forums, fans have been using this as an example a false allegation going viral: Clearly trying to transfer her authority onto Jussie and using crime statistics. What's the betting we'll see something like this from her for Robson and Safechuck once LN airs? Not once have I seen her acknowledge that false allegations of various types exist.... So what's she saying? Because Jussie is black we should believe him even if there is evidence to suggest he staged his own attack? From what I can see, not even his own race buy his story. #MeToo are doing a very good job at undermining the credibility of accusers, which is precisely what they were supposed to be against.
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Post by kaeleah on Feb 19, 2019 9:52:39 GMT
That's what bugs me most about the MeToo movement, honestly. While relatively rare statistically, false allegations of rape and abuse DO exist. It's absurd to act like it's literally impossible to lie about such a thing. Human beings lie all the time, why not about that too?
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 19, 2019 9:55:37 GMT
That's what bugs me most about the MeToo movement, honestly. While relatively rare statistically, false allegations of rape and abuse DO exist. It's absurd to act like it's literally impossible to lie about such a thing. Human beings lie all the time, why not about that too? I'm not even convinced it's that rare tbh. It's definitely more commonplace than the so-called experts and statistics would have you believe. And I reckon it's rife and on the increase in entertainment circles, which is a place where 99.9% of people in the industry are failed actors/singers/entertainers/models. Anything to avoid getting a real job and earning an honest living.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 19, 2019 10:01:18 GMT
That's what bugs me most about the MeToo movement, honestly. While relatively rare statistically, false allegations of rape and abuse DO exist. It's absurd to act like it's literally impossible to lie about such a thing. Human beings lie all the time, why not about that too? I'm not even convinced it's that rare tbh. It's definitely more commonplace than the so-called experts and statistics would have you believe. And I reckon it's rife and on the increase in entertainment circles, which is a place where 99.9% of people in the industry are failed actors/singers/entertainers/models. Anything to avoid getting a real job and earning an honest living. I agree false allegations are UNDERREPORTED. And the likes of Me Too, certain journalists, abuse survivors and the general lay person all have varying degrees of bias on that issue. People once thought sexual abuse, especially child sexual abuse was rare. It's neither rare nor massively common. But it does, sadly, happen.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 19, 2019 10:21:22 GMT
Me Too and Time's Up are two different organisations with different agendas or focus. This is what Time's Up wants: www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/1/17/jill-soloway-tarana-burke-weigh-new-times-ceoStatutes of Limitations were put in place for a very specific reason - generally, the interests of justice. Read further in that link and you realise that the focus is on men with these groups. Especially powerful men. And not necessarily white men although that's where they start. It doesn't take a genius to realise that not only is no man safe from false allegations to some degree depending on where you live, but that aside from paedophilia hysteria there is a large appetite for taking down men perceived as powerful. Irrespective of the colour of their skin. Having said that, ordinary men have also found themselves on the wrong end of an accusation of sexual abuse. Sometimes with tragic consequences such as suicide or murder. I maintain that the courtroom in ANY recognised democratic country is the only place to resolve these problems. And that the law enforcement agencies are the only ones with authority from us all to investigate them. After all, we're policed by consent, aren't we?
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Post by suzie on Feb 19, 2019 10:47:07 GMT
I see Me Too Founder, Tarana Burke is trying to shore up Jussie Smollett. Somewhere on here and on other forums, fans have been using this as an example a false allegation going viral: Clearly trying to transfer her authority onto Jussie and using crime statistics. What's the betting we'll see something like this from her for Robson and Safechuck once LN airs? Not once have I seen her acknowledge that false allegations of various types exist.... So what's she saying? Because Jussie is black we should believe him even if there is evidence to suggest he staged his own attack? From what I can see, not even his own race buy his story. #MeToo are doing a very good job at undermining the credibility of accusers, which is precisely what they were supposed to be against. I’m black and from jump people have been questioning his story. It didn’t make sense. You were attacked at 2am in subzero temperature. Then it took twist and turns not even GOD could write. It also shows you how quick the media is to poke holes in a black mans story but won’t point out the obvious lies and contradictions of two sketchy white men. Jussie has a great reputation, that’s why he still has the support he has. Wade and Jim don’t have great reputations.
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Post by Thriller on Feb 19, 2019 10:53:00 GMT
The big flaw when people cite the numbers of false allegations as being low is that nobody knows the real amount. If somebody accuses another person of a crime, and the person they accuse is found not guilty, unless the accuser admits to having lied then it's not added to the total of false accusations. Regardless of how ridiculous the claims may be.
Of course, I'm not saying that those found not guilty didn't always commit the crime. However, unless there is evidence found before a trial or the accuser recants then it's not seen as a false accusation.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 19, 2019 10:57:34 GMT
Me Too and Time's Up are two different organisations with different agendas or focus. This is what Time's Up wants: www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/1/17/jill-soloway-tarana-burke-weigh-new-times-ceoStatutes of Limitations were put in place for a very specific reason - generally, the interests of justice. Read further in that link and you realise that the focus is on men with these groups. Especially powerful men. And not necessarily white men although that's where they start. It doesn't take a genius to realise that not only is no man safe from false allegations to some degree depending on where you live, but that aside from paedophilia hysteria there is a large appetite for taking down men perceived as powerful. Irrespective of the colour of their skin. Having said that, ordinary men have also found themselves on the wrong end of an accusation of sexual abuse. Sometimes with tragic consequences such as suicide or murder. I maintain that the courtroom in ANY recognised democratic country is the only place to resolve these problems. And that the law enforcement agencies are the only ones with authority from us all to investigate them. After all, we're policed by consent, aren't we? Yesterday I listened to a podcast with Charles Thomson on Reason Bound. It was made two years ago. MJ was mentioned a couple of times but he wasn't the main subject. It was generally why the presumption of innocennce is such an important pillar of modern society. Which I absolutely agree with. Imagine a system where it would be presumption of guilt instead of presumption of innocennce. An absolute nightmare! A totalitarian state. And I didn't know but it is actually a thing on the left now that some people actually do argue for the abolition of the presumption of innocennce. It's madness what is going on here. The presumption of innocennce was already successfully abolished in the media, but they won't stop here. I really think metoo has done more harm than good. I think the left/liberal side went just as extreme as the populist right did. It's madness.
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Post by Thriller on Feb 19, 2019 11:07:12 GMT
I agree about MeToo doing more harm than good. You see people claim they were abused in some way on Twitter and use the hashtag. They then get tons of likes, retweets and messages of support, yet you don't even know who these random people are and what they're claiming.
There's a woman on Twitter who claims her parents sold her to Tom Hanks. He then sexually abused her as a child. She claims she was also abused by other celebrities. People believe her in spite of no evidence whatsoever. People seem to think her claim of not having been sued by the people she's made claims against on Twitter is proof she's telling the truth. As if 1. Tom Hanks even knows about the claims and 2. If he did, I'm sure he'd sue her and let the whole world know about it.
I've seen people tweet they won't watch Hanks's movies anymore due to seeing her tweets. It's a ridiculous, and scary, world we live in.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 19, 2019 11:19:37 GMT
Me Too and Time's Up are two different organisations with different agendas or focus. This is what Time's Up wants: www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/1/17/jill-soloway-tarana-burke-weigh-new-times-ceoStatutes of Limitations were put in place for a very specific reason - generally, the interests of justice. Read further in that link and you realise that the focus is on men with these groups. Especially powerful men. And not necessarily white men although that's where they start. It doesn't take a genius to realise that not only is no man safe from false allegations to some degree depending on where you live, but that aside from paedophilia hysteria there is a large appetite for taking down men perceived as powerful. Irrespective of the colour of their skin. Having said that, ordinary men have also found themselves on the wrong end of an accusation of sexual abuse. Sometimes with tragic consequences such as suicide or murder. I maintain that the courtroom in ANY recognised democratic country is the only place to resolve these problems. And that the law enforcement agencies are the only ones with authority from us all to investigate them. After all, we're policed by consent, aren't we? Yesterday I listened to a podcast with Charles Thomson on Reason Bound. It was made two years ago. MJ was mentioned a couple of times but he wasn't the main subject. It was generally why the presumption of innocennce is such an important pillar of modern society. Which I absolutely agree with. Imagine a system where it would be presumption of guilt instead of presumption of innocennce. An absolute nightmare! A totalitarian state. And I didn't know but it is actually a thing on the left now that some people actually do argue for the abolition of the presumption of innocennce. It's madness what is going on here. The presumption of innocennce was already successfully abolished in the media, but they won't stop here. I really think metoo has done more harm than good. I think the left/liberal side went just as extreme as the populist right did. It's madness. Scary stuff, indeed. To this, we can add the paedophilia hysteria which "strikes at society's most sensitive nerves." To the examples of marginal groups, we can add in those perceived as being weird or abnormal. This is by far the most common thing I see people using to justify why they believe MJ was a paedophile. By far.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 19, 2019 11:22:05 GMT
Its like in the uk a nutjob called nick claimed there was a highend child abuse ring in westminister. Members were top politicians and the head of the army and dead politicians etc etc. He also claimed he had seen several kids been killed. Story seemed total b.s from the begining as his claims were so OTT. But channel 4 news (reeds channel) pushed this story as if it were true. Reported on it for along time the guy gave interviews. Turned out nick was arrested later for making false claims and hes currently on trial for perverting the course of justice. Of course channel 4 news has gone totally silent on the news. Never mentioned the charge once. It smelt like B.S from the begining.
Metoo imo is the new peta. The founder obviously has an agenda
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Post by SoCav on Feb 19, 2019 11:26:08 GMT
I feel the same way. It is of course very important that victims of abuse feel safe to report what happened to them to the authorities. Underreporting out of fear or shame is a problem. But the pendulum has obviously swung WAY too far in the other direction. Uncritically believing all accusers, even thinking about removing the presumption of innocence - it's absolute madness.
And then you can add to that the fact that victimhood is truly celebrated now in some circles. Obviously no victim should feel ashamed, but it's now being glorified to the point that some people are actively trying to portray themselves as victims.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 19, 2019 11:28:56 GMT
Maybe im biast but the opinion i get in the uk. Is alot of ppl are getting turned off by all the accusations me too etc. I think its going the other way where ppl were getting accused of touching someones arm 25 years ago and now they must be sacked. Imo theres alot eye rolling going on.
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