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Post by russtcb on Jun 15, 2020 13:04:58 GMT
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Post by russtcb on Jun 15, 2020 18:30:22 GMT
Oh and by request, we now have a Spotify playlist that's updated weekly with songs we talk about.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 17, 2020 17:14:03 GMT
I listened to the latest about music videos. To me music videos (if well done) are an art form in themselves. I have always loved them. I was an MTV kid. Dance is an art in itself as well and for dancing artists the music video is the perfect vehicle to show that part of their art. MJ was so great at doing music videos because he was great at all three of these (music, dance and film). His love for film was the inspiration for him to do the kind of revolutionary music videos he did. Some artists considered music videos as just a commercial for their songs, but MJ put creativity, energy and money into them because he saw it as a part of his art (along with the music and dancing).
I never really noticed that "people stopped talking about music videos". Sure, there aren't any more huge music video events like we had at the debut of Thriller or Black or White, when the day after the whole world was talking about those videos. I think it is not a lack of interest in music videos now, though. YouTube stream numbers show there's a lot of interest in music videos still, it's just we consume music videos differently now. At the time those were huge events because the whole world was watching them at once. Now we have so many other things going on at once that nothing really stands out. It's again the phenomenon how the Internet diluted everything. Everything is easily accessible and available, so has less magic and wonderment. But YouTube is the biggest streaming service by far (Spotify is nowhere near), which to me shows that people still love to listen to their music with the accompanying video.
At the same I have this weird theory that the golden age of music videos (and MTV) was while MJ was doing videos. Once he stopped the quality of music videos in general and MTV went down as well. I always found that interesting and kind of symbolic.
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Post by TonyR on Jun 17, 2020 17:58:21 GMT
I listened to the latest about music videos. To me music videos (if well done) are an art form in themselves. I have always loved them. I was an MTV kid. Dance is an art in itself as well and for dancing artists the music video is the perfect vehicle to show that part of their art. MJ was so great at doing music videos because he was great at all three of these (music, dance and film). His love for film was the inspiration for him to do the kind of revolutionary music videos he did. Some artists considered music videos as just a commercial for their songs, but MJ put creativity, energy and money into them because he saw it as a part of his art (along with the music and dancing). I never really noticed that "people stopped talking about music videos". Sure, there aren't any more huge music video events like we had at the debut of Thriller or Black or White, when the day after the whole world was talking about those videos. I think it is not a lack of interest in music videos now, though. YouTube stream numbers show there's a lot of interest in music videos still, it's just we consume music videos differently now. At the time those were huge events because the whole world was watching them at once. Now we have so many other things going on at once that nothing really stands out. It's again the phenomenon how the Internet diluted everything. Everything is easily accessible and available, so has less magic and wonderment. But YouTube is the biggest streaming service by far (Spotify is nowhere near), which to me shows that people still love to listen to their music with the accompanying video. At the same I have this weird theory that the golden age of music videos (and MTV) was while MJ was doing videos. Once he stopped the quality of music videos in general and MTV went down as well. I always found that interesting and kind of symbolic. Also there's less money to be made in music since physical formats collapsed so there isn't the type of budgets that MJ & Madonna once had. People's attention span as well is much lower, just like how songs don't have intros longer than 10 seconds anymore I guess maybe that's another reason. I wonder on YT whether people are actually 'watching' the video a lot of the time or just listening? |
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Post by aazzaabb on Jun 17, 2020 18:07:33 GMT
I listened to the latest about music videos. To me music videos (if well done) are an art form in themselves. I have always loved them. I was an MTV kid. Dance is an art in itself as well and for dancing artists the music video is the perfect vehicle to show that part of their art. MJ was so great at doing music videos because he was great at all three of these (music, dance and film). His love for film was the inspiration for him to do the kind of revolutionary music videos he did. Some artists considered music videos as just a commercial for their songs, but MJ put creativity, energy and money into them because he saw it as a part of his art (along with the music and dancing). I never really noticed that "people stopped talking about music videos". Sure, there aren't any more huge music video events like we had at the debut of Thriller or Black or White, when the day after the whole world was talking about those videos. I think it is not a lack of interest in music videos now, though. YouTube stream numbers show there's a lot of interest in music videos still, it's just we consume music videos differently now. At the time those were huge events because the whole world was watching them at once. Now we have so many other things going on at once that nothing really stands out. It's again the phenomenon how the Internet diluted everything. Everything is easily accessible and available, so has less magic and wonderment. But YouTube is the biggest streaming service by far (Spotify is nowhere near), which to me shows that people still love to listen to their music with the accompanying video. At the same I have this weird theory that the golden age of music videos (and MTV) was while MJ was doing videos. Once he stopped the quality of music videos in general and MTV went down as well. I always found that interesting and kind of symbolic. Also there's less money to be made in music since physical formats collapsed so there isn't the type of budgets that MJ & Madonna once had. People's attention span as well is much lower, just like how songs don't have intros longer than 10 seconds anymore I guess maybe that's another reason. I wonder on YT whether people are actually 'watching' the video a lot of the time or just listening? With K-Pop and J-Pop their watching the videos. It’s a massive part of the fandom actually. |
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Post by russtcb on Jun 17, 2020 18:10:58 GMT
I listened to the latest about music videos. To me music videos (if well done) are an art form in themselves. I have always loved them. I was an MTV kid. Dance is an art in itself as well and for dancing artists the music video is the perfect vehicle to show that part of their art. MJ was so great at doing music videos because he was great at all three of these (music, dance and film). His love for film was the inspiration for him to do the kind of revolutionary music videos he did. Some artists considered music videos as just a commercial for their songs, but MJ put creativity, energy and money into them because he saw it as a part of his art (along with the music and dancing). I never really noticed that "people stopped talking about music videos". Sure, there aren't any more huge music video events like we had at the debut of Thriller or Black or White, when the day after the whole world was talking about those videos. I think it is not a lack of interest in music videos now, though. YouTube stream numbers show there's a lot of interest in music videos still, it's just we consume music videos differently now. At the time those were huge events because the whole world was watching them at once. Now we have so many other things going on at once that nothing really stands out. It's again the phenomenon how the Internet diluted everything. Everything is easily accessible and available, so has less magic and wonderment. But YouTube is the biggest streaming service by far (Spotify is nowhere near), which to me shows that people still love to listen to their music with the accompanying video. At the same I have this weird theory that the golden age of music videos (and MTV) was while MJ was doing videos. Once he stopped the quality of music videos in general and MTV went down as well. I always found that interesting and kind of symbolic. Interesting points. I never really thought about how much there is to consume at once and how people may not focus on the visual aspect at all. I totally agree that the overall quality of videos went down after Michael stopped. I guess I also didn't realize how much bigger of a source YouTube is for music than Spotify. Apparently I need to do some research! |
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Post by russtcb on Jun 17, 2020 18:12:09 GMT
I listened to the latest about music videos. To me music videos (if well done) are an art form in themselves. I have always loved them. I was an MTV kid. Dance is an art in itself as well and for dancing artists the music video is the perfect vehicle to show that part of their art. MJ was so great at doing music videos because he was great at all three of these (music, dance and film). His love for film was the inspiration for him to do the kind of revolutionary music videos he did. Some artists considered music videos as just a commercial for their songs, but MJ put creativity, energy and money into them because he saw it as a part of his art (along with the music and dancing). I never really noticed that "people stopped talking about music videos". Sure, there aren't any more huge music video events like we had at the debut of Thriller or Black or White, when the day after the whole world was talking about those videos. I think it is not a lack of interest in music videos now, though. YouTube stream numbers show there's a lot of interest in music videos still, it's just we consume music videos differently now. At the time those were huge events because the whole world was watching them at once. Now we have so many other things going on at once that nothing really stands out. It's again the phenomenon how the Internet diluted everything. Everything is easily accessible and available, so has less magic and wonderment. But YouTube is the biggest streaming service by far (Spotify is nowhere near), which to me shows that people still love to listen to their music with the accompanying video. At the same I have this weird theory that the golden age of music videos (and MTV) was while MJ was doing videos. Once he stopped the quality of music videos in general and MTV went down as well. I always found that interesting and kind of symbolic. Also there's less money to be made in music since physical formats collapsed so there isn't the type of budgets that MJ & Madonna once had. People's attention span as well is much lower, just like how songs don't have intros longer than 10 seconds anymore I guess maybe that's another reason. I wonder on YT whether people are actually 'watching' the video a lot of the time or just listening? The same sentiment was made above and really had me thinking. I don't know why I never put 2+2 together on people just listening when they play the video instead of watching. |
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Post by HIStoric on Jun 17, 2020 20:54:38 GMT
I wonder on YT whether people are actually 'watching' the video a lot of the time or just listening? Definitely a lot would be listening (anecdotally I have some coworkers who stream music via YouTube, and they’re rarely watching the videos even if they’re in-between doing actual work). YouTube also has the benefit of not needing to be signed in, it’s free (!!) and ads are extremely easy to block for free too - which isn’t the case with free Spotify. And boom, you’ve got a quick, free on-demand streaming service. Toggle the auto play button in the top right and it’s suddenly a radio station that learns what you like and adapts quickly. Plus there’s also stuff on there not available officially - just a couple hours ago I was brushing my teeth as I listened to a YouTube video of Dave Grohl and Jeff Lynne performing Hey Bulldog live which isn’t on Spotify. So yeah, there’s a fair amount of video watchers but also a fair amount of people who just listen. I also agree with the points by Respect about the dilution the Internet has brought (and the ‘monoculture’ it has helped disrupt), and Tony’s point about there being less money in it as well. I also think it’s possible that many music artists just might not have the same interest or passion as Michael did about it. Different strokes for different folks, and what not. |
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Post by russtcb on Jun 17, 2020 22:01:10 GMT
I wonder on YT whether people are actually 'watching' the video a lot of the time or just listening? Definitely a lot would be listening (anecdotally I have some coworkers who stream music via YouTube, and they’re rarely watching the videos even if they’re in-between doing actual work). YouTube also has the benefit of not needing to be signed in, it’s free (!!) and ads are extremely easy to block for free too - which isn’t the case with free Spotify. And boom, you’ve got a quick, free on-demand streaming service. Toggle the auto play button in the top right and it’s suddenly a radio station that learns what you like and adapts quickly. Plus there’s also stuff on there not available officially - just a couple hours ago I was brushing my teeth as I listened to a YouTube video of Dave Grohl and Jeff Lynne performing Hey Bulldog live which isn’t on Spotify. So yeah, there’s a fair amount of video watchers but also a fair amount of people who just listen. I also agree with the points by Respect about the dilution the Internet has brought (and the ‘monoculture’ it has helped disrupt), and Tony’s point about there being less money in it as well. I also think it’s possible that many music artists just might not have the same interest or passion as Michael did about it. Different strokes for different folks, and what not. I never thought of YouTube as strictly a music player like that. How cool. I need to start doing that. |
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Post by russtcb on Jun 19, 2020 13:13:09 GMT
The latest bonus tournament episode is out now  We're recording the new main episode tomorrow. We're going to talk a out politics in music, so it should be a good one. |
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Post by russtcb on Jun 22, 2020 13:07:11 GMT
New episode is out. We we're talking music in politics so we end up talking about race, human rights, LGBTQ and so on. It's a good discussion. Subscribe and listen via the links below linktr.ee/Infectiousgroovepodcast |
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Post by respect77 on Jun 23, 2020 18:37:25 GMT
I listened to the latest. I think if an artist wants to be political, it is better if they put it in a way that carries a more universal message than something that only applies to a given time and era in politics. For example, TDCAU is relevant regardless who the president is or what party is on power. And I have never seen MJ got into partisan politics. As a Jehova's Witness he was probably raised very apolitical too. I think he even said he doesn't believe that political parties can actually change that much. That doesn't mean a song like TDCAU cannot sound very political now. He visited/got visits by both Democrat and Republican presidents, and I think he was about unity, not division. I can't see him at an award show go on stage and get preachy about partisan politics, like celebrities so often do these days. But I can absolutely see him write a song with a universal message addressing the current situation - like he also often did (see TDCAU, We've Had Enough etc). I prefer that to direct partisan messages or preaching about current politics.
On the other hand, there are political songs that get dated because they apply to a too specific political situation/person in politics. Eg. something like Ronnie, Talk to Russia by Prince which is addressed to Ronald Reagan and is about the nuclear war scare of the '80s, thus very much of its time (not that you can't always find similar situations in history).
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Post by russtcb on Jun 24, 2020 13:51:46 GMT
I listened to the latest. I think if an artist wants to be political, it is better if they put it in a way that carries a more universal message than something that only applies to a given time and era in politics. For example, TDCAU is relevant regardless who the president is or what party is on power. And I have never seen MJ got into partisan politics. As a Jehova's Witness he was probably raised very apolitical too. I think he even said he doesn't believe that political parties can actually change that much. That doesn't mean a song like TDCAU cannot sound very political now. He visited/got visits by both Democrat and Republican presidents, and I think he was about unity, not division. I can't see him at an award show go on stage and get preachy about partisan politics, like celebrities so often do these days. But I can absolutely see him write a song with a universal message addressing the current situation - like he also often did (see TDCAU, We've Had Enough etc). I prefer that to direct partisan messages or preaching about current politics. On the other hand, there are political songs that get dated because they apply to a too specific political situation/person in politics. Eg. something like Ronnie, Talk to Russia by Prince which is addressed to Ronald Reagan and is about the nuclear war scare of the '80s, thus very much of its time (not that you can't always find similar situations in history). First things first; thanks for listening! Second, I agree. I think more universal messages are the best way for artists to go. Unfortunately, so many themes remain universal, which is sad. It truly is amazing to me how TDCAU continues to grow and become more universal. I feel like a lot of the Gil Scott-Heron material has grown that way too. He was speaking on very specific issues at the time but unfortunately, those poems and songs have endured because the issues he's speaking on haven't gone away. |
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Post by russtcb on Jun 26, 2020 12:23:59 GMT
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Post by russtcb on Jun 27, 2020 13:01:57 GMT
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